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Tech News: 2014-06
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf12) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on January 30. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on February 4, and all Wikipedia wikis on February 6 (calendar).
 * Global AbuseFilter rules are now active on all [//noc.wikimedia.org/conf/small.dblist small wikis]. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60408] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/109435/]
 * The buttons used in pages like log-in, account creation and search are now using the same colors and styles. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58297] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/103494/]
 * You can now link to diffs using  and similar links. [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/63395/]
 * There is no longer an option to hide tables of contents on all pages. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52813]
 * Searching in the  namespace on Wikimedia Commons is now faster, after a bug was fixed on January 29. [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/110191/]
 * All Wikimedia wikis now have high-resolution favicons. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45036]

VisualEditor news
 * You can now see a list of keyboard shortcuts by pressing Ctrl +/ inside VisualEditor. [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/107153/]

Future software changes
 * Edits and files hidden with the Oversight tool will be moved to the RevisionDelete system. The Oversight tool will then be removed from Wikimedia wikis. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60373] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18598] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/18229/]
 * For languages where not all sister projects exist, you will be able to link to other language projects using double interwikis (, , etc.). [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/94716/]
 * It will soon be possible to use the GettingStarted tool on other wikis than the English Wikipedia. You can translate it on [//translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:MessageGroupStats&x=D&group=ext-gettingstarted&suppressempty=1&language= Translatewiki.net].
 * You will soon be able to include the Special:Contributions page into other pages. [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/106320/]
 * You will be able to see where a file is used inside MultimediaViewer, the new tool for viewing media files. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60087] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/107993/]
 * It will soon be possible to send MassMessage messages using the API. [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/87311/]
 * You will soon see audio statistics on the Special:TimedMediaHandler page. [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/97998/]

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DYK for The Day We Fight Back
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Hargeisa
Hi Ross Hill. Outside of parts of the Somaliland region, the Hargeisa monument is controversial, as it portrays in heroic terms rebels and the Somali authorities as villains. It also shows a soldier figure aiming his gun at civilians. It's therefore not a neutral image for the page per MOS:Offensive images. A more neutral memorial depicting the same period would be the plane memorial. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 19:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hm, perhaps you should read the guideline you are citing more carefully. That guideline says that images that could be considered vulgar/obscene should be treated in an encyclopedic manner. Including an image of a memorial to the relevant section of an article is completely encyclopedic. The only thing that violates Wikipedia's policy on a neutral point of view is you removing an image from an article, solely because you personally find it offensive. If you would like to add the plane memorial in addition to the images already in the article, I of course support that. As the user Alifazal pointed out to me on internet relay chat, removing the memorial image because of your own personal beliefs is a form of censorship. Ross Hill   Talk to me!  20:24, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I did read it carefully. The MOS policy states that "images that can be considered offensive should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner." There's no question that that memorial is considered offensive by many outside the region, as it depicts, among other things, "dead bodies, amputees, frightened women and children, and elders whose over their head are pictures of Somali-air forces dropping [bombs] on them continuously" . Hence, my suggestion above to use the more neutral plane memorial from the same period . Thoughts? Middayexpress (talk) 20:47, 8 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Read WP:NOTCENSORED please. This is a Wikipedia policy, meaning it overrules the WP:MOS guideline. WP:NOTCENSORED states,
 * "... some articles may include images, text or links, which some people may find objectionable, when these materials are relevant to the content. Discussion of potentially objectionable content should not focus on its offensiveness but on whether it is an appropriate image, text or link. Beyond that, 'being objectionable' is generally not sufficient grounds for removal or inclusion of content."
 * The image Monument in Hargeysa.jpg is relevant to the article, plain and simple. "[The] memorial is considered offensive..." is not a valid arguement, per WP:NOTCENSORED. Ross Hill   Talk to me!  21:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of that WP:ISNOT sub-policy. However, it in turn is trumped by Offensive material, which is exclusively devoted to material such as this image. Specifically, WP:GRATUITOUS instructs that:
 * "Material that could be considered vulgar, obscene or offensive should not be included unless it is treated in an encyclopedic manner. Offensive material should be used only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available. Especially with respect to images, editors frequently need to choose between alternatives with varying degrees of potential offensiveness[...] Images containing offensive material that is extraneous, unnecessary, irrelevant, or gratuitous are not preferred over non-offensive ones in the name of opposing censorship. Controversial images should follow the principle of 'least astonishment': we should choose images that respect the conventional expectations of readers for a given topic as much as is possible without sacrificing the quality of the article."
 * The plane memorial is thus the preferable image here since it is equally suitable, relevant and informative as the war monument, yet at the same time much less likely to offend or astonish the average reader of the Hargeisa city page. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 22:11, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

The image is not gratuitously offensive. I expect most people would not find the image offensive at all. Opposing inclusion of an image because you personally find it offensive violates Wikipedia's policy on a neutral point of view, and censorship of information. Actually, the policy you link clearly states, "Wikipedia editors should not remove material solely because it may be offensive, unpleasant, or unsuitable for some readers." The other image you give as an alternative, is not an alternative in the sense WP:PROFA means. It is an image of a different memorial altogether! Since we clearly are at ends when it comes to this issue, I will request a third opinion at the article's talk page. Ross Hill  Talk to me!  22:32, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Gratuity is just one of the disqualifying criteria in Offensive material/WP:PROFA (hence, the "or"). WP:PROFA also pertains to images that "can be considered offensive". I've already provided a link above indicating that the mural is indeed regarded as offensive, and why exactly that is (the male figure with the chopped off arm and leg, for starters). "Alternative" likewise simply means another available image, not necessarily one of the same thing (e.g. cars with vs. without nude female models). Nonetheless, the image is indeed of the exact same monument . The difference is that the plane image focuses on the monument's centerpiece (i.e. the air force aircraft itself), whereas the other image focuses on a portion of the mural below the plane. At any rate, Third Opinion is ok. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Middayexpress, You have been very civil during the length of our interaction, and I would like to thank you for that. It's refreshing having a dispute with someone who is reasonable, and does not resort to sarcasm or personal attacks. So thank you. I welcome you to give your half of the story over at Talk:Hargeisa. Have a nice night  Ross Hill   Talk to me!  03:23, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2014-07
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf13) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on February 6. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on February 11, and all Wikipedia wikis on February 13 (calendar).
 * The Vector search box was changed to fix old display and accessibility issues; for example, you can now use full-text search even if you have disabled JavaScript. Please report any problems you see. The option to disable the "simplified search bar" on Vector will also be removed. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50660] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25127] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24248] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/82100/] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/99422/]
 * You are now notified when someone adds a link to your user page on wikis where it didn't work before (wikis with dates in the year-month-day order, including Hungarian, Japanese, Korean and some variants of Chinese). [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/108329/]

VisualEditor news
 * You can now set media items' alt text and position, and directly set their size, in the media tool. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38129] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/51293]
 * The gallery tool was improved and several issues were fixed. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60307] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60502] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60779]

Problems
 * On February 3, all wikis were broken for about an hour due to a traffic balancing issue. [//wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation/20140203-LVS]
 * On February 6, some wikis were broken for about half an hour in total due to a problem with the Math extension.

Future software changes
 * Some methods from Scribunto's mw.message library will be removed after February 18. If you use them in your templates or modules, please check to make sure that things will not break. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60758] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/110983/]
 * You will soon be able to use GettingStarted on 23 new Wikipedias. It helps new users by listing possible tasks and giving help. The new version was also added to the English Wikipedia on February 7th. [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/111460/]
 * You will soon see results from other wikis when you use the new search tool (CirrusSearch). [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44420] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/105986/]
 * The WikiLove tool was redesigned and should also load faster.
 * Edits made with WikiLove or after a GettingStarted suggestion will be tagged. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60911] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/110315/]
 * It will soon no longer be possible to hide section editing links in your preferences. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/52811]
 * You will soon be able to use the revision deletion feature via the API. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23005]
 * You will soon be able to choose mobile view on non-mobile devices using a Beta Feature option. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36636] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/102866/]
 * If you have questions about Universal Language Selector, you can join an IRC meeting on February 12 at 17:00 UTC, in the #wikimedia-office channel on Freenode.
 * Developers are preparing for Google Summer of Code 2014. You can propose ideas.
 * bugzilla.wikimedia.org will be updated this week. You won't be able to access it from 22:00 UTC on February 12 until 01:00 UTC on February 13 at the latest.
 * The  tag will be renamed to  . The old tag will still work.

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Tech News: 2014-08
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on February 13. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on February 18, and all Wikipedia wikis on February 20 (calendar).
 * You can now use the list of active users again. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41078] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/111258/]
 * The new search tool (CirrusSearch) now gives more importance to content namespaces if you search in several namespaces. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61053]
 * You can now directly link to files viewed with MultimediaViewer, the new tool for viewing media files. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56469]
 * You can read the summary of the Wikimedia technical report for January 2014.

Problems
 * On February 9, Wikimedia Labs was broken for about 2 hours due to an XFS file system problem.
 * On February 11, there were problems with VisualEditor for about 20 minutes due to a server logging issue.
 * On the same day, for about 20 minutes there were issues with page loading due to database problems.
 * There were issues with page loading between 21:00 UTC on February 13 and 11:00 UTC on February 14 for users in Europe. It was due to a cache server problem.
 * On February 14, all sites were broken for about 15 minutes for users in Southeast Asia, Oceania and the western part of North America. It was due to problems with cache servers.

VisualEditor news
 * The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50240]
 * You can now change image display (like thumbnail, frame and frameless) with VisualEditor. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38129]
 * Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from paragraphs you are editing. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51701]
 * You will soon be able to create and edit redirect pages with VisualEditor. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50878] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47328] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57173]

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Tech News: 2014-09
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf15) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on February 20. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on February 25, and all Wikipedia wikis on February 27 (calendar).
 * The new search tool (CirrusSearch) was added to the Italian Wikiquote and all Wikiversity projects. Users can now enable it in their Beta options. [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/114156/] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/114169/]
 * The Universal Language Selector was enabled on all Wikimedia wikis again. You can enable web fonts in your ULS options (see how).

VisualEditor news
 * You will soon be able to add and edit, and in the page settings menu. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57173] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57167] [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57168]
 * You will soon be able to use the Ctrl +Alt +S or ⌘ +<kbd class="keyboard-key nowrap" style="border:1px solid #AAA;background:#F9F9F9;padding:1px 3px">Opt +<kbd class="keyboard-key nowrap" style="border:1px solid #AAA;background:#F9F9F9;padding:1px 3px">S shortcuts to open the save window in VisualEditor. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50897] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/110434/]
 * You will soon be able to preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42139] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/112490/]

Future software changes
 * You will soon be able to use the tag again. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59798]
 * You will soon be able to post messages with the MassMessage tool in all talk namespaces. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60132] [//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/94698/]
 * Notifications will soon work in all namespaces. [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55491][//bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56311][//gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/93508/]

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Possibly unfree files/Header
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I'll revert your revert at User:Jimbo Wales
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Jimbo specifically says that he trusts us to make changes to his user page. I have absolutely no doubt that the graphic reflects his position on the matter. I previously put a notice on his talk page, asking him if I could do this (no answer yet after about 10 hours). I think he can remove it if he thinks it is not appropriate. In any case, if anybody reverts it, I will not revert it back in. Fair enough? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 14:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you got Jimbo's permission on his talk . All the best, Ross Hill   Talk to me!  17:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia
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