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British colonisation of Tasmania
Hey, could we wrap up the merger? The tag has been there for ages and no one has really supported the merge. Cheers. Uhlan (talk) 19:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, would love to. Seems to me that the proposal fails. I'm not particularly bothered either way. :) &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 11:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually. It'd be better if a position could actually be reached. Do you want to take it to some project or another? If not, I'm not bothered if you close it as unsuccessful. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 12:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits.
Hi. This is a an unsolicited approach from a retired teacher in the UK. Over the last few days I have been watching the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools traffic and felt I should chip in and give you some moral support. But most of my time is being wasted over on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates‎ where we have one editor who is totally obsessed with his Canadiancentric POV, and along with his little chum never responds to argument/reason/links but writes brilliant articles. I have taught kids in the lower sixth (17yr) would grab an obscure theory and hold on until you had proved to them that there logic had collapsed. But, late one night as I was hitting the duvet and pondering the day, and remembering school days, I thought: This is more than that- brilliant writing- total obsession- oblivious to other peoples feelings- ability to quote and abuse WP:Policy Documents faster than I can read them- take everything literally- fail to respond to humour- call the Special Needs Co-ordinator- Do we have a case of Savant Autism and what are our strategies to deal with it? In my classroom I have had several Asbergers kids- one of whom I employed 5 years later, and I had the rule of thumb: When you feel like killing them be kind instead- when you would like to give them some comfort- don't, lay into them with fury, so they understand that I set for them the boundaries and limits that they are incapable of setting for themselves. (Much abbreviated and simplified)

So putting the two together I know that standard debate and the wikiguides will not work if one editor is within the spectrum. If these editors are autistic how the hell do we exploit their positive characteristics and set guidelines so they can recognise when they are being disruptive? I can see that designing a hat tag- saying You are exhibiting Autistic behaviour- could be seen as being offensive! (humour). It is acceptable to call some one a troll: but I don't see that helps them to understand why they are being disruptive- as they honestly believe in their cause.

Just an initial thought- but as you deal with bright kids in the day job you might have a few ideas. --ClemRutter (talk) 11:16, 11 February 2012 (UTC) Temperature outside -3C.


 * Oh, Aspergers kids are fun. I've worked with a few. A lot of the time, though, I think that Aspergers is a misdiagnosis of giftedness alongside marked overexcitabilities in the intellectual domain and others. I have one in my class at the moment, but his foci probably wouldn't make him very useful for wikipedia.


 * I have no great ideas as to what to do with them on here. The culture here really isn't conducive to personalities on the spectrum. The best approach may be what we already do with users who are problematic editors (who have some potential) and that is to coax them into finding themselves a WP:MENTOR. User:Worm That Turned is an active mentor who does some good work: if you're having trouble with someone, then maybe you could talk to him and see what advice he's got.


 * As to the trolling behaviour to which you're referring, I don't think that would work for that editor. Outside of his/her (occasional) inflammatory contributions to discussions, s/he seems to do good work. See, for example, how he helped to rehabilitate the article at Lyneham Primary School. And I have no other useful ideas.


 * Otherwise, thanks for the moral support. :) &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 12:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks Bidgee. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 13:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Editing others contribs
Hi Danjel - I presume you are aware that in this edit you added indent to my previous contribution. Please don't do this. My contribution is mine. The indent is exactly what I intended it to be. If I made a mistake it's not a big deal. Live with it. in this instance, I didn't make a mistake. I intended my contribution to be in reply to yours and not in reply to Z22 in between. If in doubt, leave well alone. Thx Fmph (talk) 10:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I don't think I intended to do that at all. I think I must have just added it accidentally while checking over what I had written. Sorry about that. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 11:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * .... and you didn't notice the notice on my talkpage which asks that you don't leave talkback templates either? Ok, I believe you. Fmph (talk) 13:17, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahh... Haha. Nope. I'll refrain this time. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 13:25, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Yes, a well-deserved barnstar. I noticed your posts on the admin noticeboard, and how you bravely continued even though the pointing out of the obvious mistakes, the bias, and the rule-breaking by an administrator risked you getting blocked in retaliation. Meowy  00:05, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, Schro and thanks Meowy. It was a pretty nasty situation and the poor form on the part of certain admins was stunning. Glad that it all worked out in the end. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 04:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd try to steer clear of those certain admins for a while. It's my experience that administrators don't like their authority being questioned, have very thin skins, and can hold long grudges. Meowy 16:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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Jamison High School
Hello Danjel. After seeing your comment at the SPI you filed, I went back to look over the case to see if I'd missed something. was clearly vandalizing the school's article, so they were an obvious case for blocking. was, in all likelihood, created to troll Danjel101, and was also an obvious block. is a different story. Their account was created on May 23, perhaps taking your username as inspiration, and then they went on to make a number of seemingly innocuous edits to other articles. As for the school article, when you originally added the infobox to the article, you mistakenly listed the school's name as "James High School", and it remained that way until an IP editor commented about it on May 29. You reverted their edit along with three vandalism edits by Y0urh34d. Y0urh34d corrected the name to "Jamison", Danjel102 was created and immediately reverted them. Danjel101 stepped in and corrected it again, but were then reverted by you. Then they corrected it again and the infobox now says "Jamison High School". The article has now been semi-protected by another admin. If I'm misinterpreting what I'm seeing, or am somehow working with incorrect assumptions, please let me know. Thanks ​—DoRD (talk)​ 20:39, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I kind of lost track of what was happening there and reverted an otherwise good edit. I think you're interpreting it OK, even if I'm suspicious about running into another "Danjel". Thanks for the followup. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 06:59, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Christ Church Grammar School
Hi, some advice please another editor has threatened me, how should I respond to thisWeefreehans (talk) 01:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * About to respond on your talkpage. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 09:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Many thanks for your input - it makes it clearer - I guess my main objection to the breakout page was the way all the categories had been changed and the use of terms like Military instead of Defence. No excuses I was judging his style and I know I shouldn't have. We learn!Weefreehans (talk) 04:35, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Hah! Thanks James. The amount of coffee I'm using to balance work, wikipedia, sleep and Hailey is pretty amazing at the moment. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 05:14, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Geelong Grammar alumni
I am somewhat bemused by your re-revision of an amendment I made a couple of hours ago to the alumni section. Whether Ranald McDonald deserves to be designated as a notable alumnus is obviously arguable, but I don't necessarily feel that a separate Wikipedia entry is an essential qualification and I do note the following comment about Ranald McDonald, for example:

"Members of the Syme family played a key role in the management of the venerable Melbourne daily newspaper The Age from 1856 to 1983. Ranald Macdonald, great-grandson of the newspaper's legendary nineteenth century proprietor and editor, David Syme, was chief executive of the Age from 1964 to 1983, when the last significant block of Syme family shares was sold. In this sense, he can be regarded as the "last Syme". The once great newspaper was moribund by the 1960s, and Macdonald transformed it during his period of stewardship; in those nineteen years the Age set new standards for the Australian newspaper industry through its journalism and its busines practices, particularly in the area of marketing."

The main reason for my edit was my suspicion that Ranald McDonald's name had originally been removed because the person who did so thought it was a specious reference to Ronald McDonald - I note the edit was tagged "rm - rubbish". As well, the crude deletion of Ranald McDonald's name meant that the particular section now read (and now reads again): "Media mogul Rupert Murdoch ;David Syme's great-grandson and manager of the Age newspaper ..." Rupert Murdoch is not David Syme's grandson, nor did he manage The Age.

While we're on the subject, the whole Geelong Grammar article is very poor indeed and needs a major re-write. A couple of moths ago I did make some improvements to the History section, but the page needs a lot more than mere tinkering around the edges. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.199.246 (talk) 23:41, July 11, 2012 (GMT+10)


 * I'll happily admit that I don't know who Ranald McDonald is/was, but I'll take your word for it that he's notable. If you know enough, and have access to good sources, could be worthwhile to start an article on him: Ranald McDonald (journalist). The article still needs a reference to say that he was an alumnus of Geelong Grammar, at which point he needs a bullet point of his own on the alumni list (i.e., not in the same paragraph as a separate individual on the main article).


 * You're right that the article needs a lot of work. I'm a bit flat out with my own work here (and my real life work, and my 5 month old, etc.). If you're willing to take the lead here, I'd be happy to help out as much as I can. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 14:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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DRN
Hi mate - I've seen you've helped a bit at DRN...mind adding yourself to the DRN volunteers list? Steven  Zhang  Get involved in DR! 11:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * G'day Steven. I think this is the first time I've involved myself at DRN, actually. I have to say, my involvement here at wikipedia is rather limited to schools and issues relating to my teaching interests...


 * I'm also not the calmest least disputational (is that a word?) editor around, myself. I'm calm now because I'm semi-comatose because of sleep/caffeine deprivation. Let me think about it. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 11:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
FYI. Thought it  might  perhaps be up  your street. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree with you that it needs to be reworked, and made much simpler. There's also bits that I'd be a little bit concerned about there, for example suggesting that kids enter mentorships; without any sort of background checking or anything that can be very dangerous.


 * It looks like Ryan isn't committed, but I'd be happy to help redraft something? &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 08:54, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

File:Parramatta logo.gif
I uploaded this file a long  time ago for a school  article. It is now orphaned, so  I  suppose a better one has been uploaded; However, I can't find what  article it  belonged to. The only clue i  have is that  it's name generally  referes to  things Australian. can you help? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It's the insignia for Parramatta High School, and I actually think that it's a better version than the one that replaced it, so I'm going to pop over and put it back in. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 06:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Castle Hill High School Logo
I'm still new to this area so can you replace the current logo of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Hill_High_School with this? http://www.castlehill-h.schools.nsw.edu.au/cmsresources/images/school_logo_1318034095837_1318034095837_m.jpg

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✅ Thanks for passing me the file. :) <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 06:39, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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Congratulations!
Hi mate. I'm Peter aka User:Shirt58 and I think it's just plain rude that no-one in the "Wikipedia community" has taken a closer look at your talk-page. Danjel, congratulations on the birth of your and your wife's little one!

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 * Thanks Peter. :) Actually, a couple of people (who know me through other means) have congratulated me on our little addition. Just got her to bed, thank the gods. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 10:30, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm currently reading a Ruth Rendell novel - please only use WP:Twinkle in cases of obvious Vandalism, not where you disagree with a message on your talk-page - where the nannies and other servants use the time-old phrase "put the baby down" to mean "put the baby in his or her cot, and hope to the gods that the baby will go to sleep!"--Shirt58 (talk) 11:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. Noted, but I maintain that, if someone is continuing to post on my talkpage after I have specifically told them not to, and why not to (and then reminded them that I have told them not to), I prefer Bwilkin's perspective that it's open season. It's like if a kid is drawing on my whiteboard at school: technically it's not vandalism, but if the kid continues after I've told him not to do so, he's getting a detention.
 * Separately, I think you're being a little bit optimistic when you say that we've made peace. I just said OK that I accepted his summary. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 11:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Thnkyou for your comment on my talk page
It was good to see your comment on my talk page. I needed someone to speak up for me. I had let the discussion get to me way too much.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:25, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Email
Thanks for your comment on my talk page. I've been too busy to do anything on Wikipedia recently. I've sent you an e-mail. Dahliarose (talk) 00:11, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sydney Secondary College Leichhardt Campus
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

AfDs
Notwithstanding your horribly terribly super-wrong view (in my impeccable opinion) re Chili burger, please feel free to reach out to me in the future if you an have AfD issue with education articles or elsewhere. I've done a fair amount of work on school related AfDs and put together User:Milowent/History of High School AfDs on high school AfDs. Chili burger was an amusing AfD to me because the article creator and I have bumped heads at AfD and elsewhere recently, and then I saved his stub from destruction.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken 14:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries. I actually saw your cataloguing of high school AfD's before.
 * My perspective on school articles is that schools are often the centres of their communities. As such they should be considered notable. There's also benefit to wikipedia and educational benefit in reaching out to a virtual captive audience of people who have to write information reports and so on day in day out.
 * Unfortunately, the rest of wikipedia doesn't see it that way and school articles, particularly primary school articles get struck down often. One of my students tried to get an article going on the school he went to for primary school, a school that is one of Australia's oldest. He was told that the school wasn't notable but perhaps the buildings that the school occupies are. From my perspective, that's nonsense. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 14:47, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've seen the notable building theory raised before on primary schools, and ultimately its a backdoor way to get an article on the school because some editors seem to accept that theory. Primary schools are tough because the "center of the community" theory has only been generally adopted at high school afds.  For American schools, we can get around this by creating articles for a school district, which everyone generally also sees as notable, and which can contain verifiable content on schools in the district.  This doesn't work as well for Australian schools because there are not such small defined districts as I understand it.  However, List of school education areas in New South Wales seems to be ripe for creation of sub-articles.--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken  15:11, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually if you go over to WT:WPSCH you'll see that I've been working on something like that for a little while now. I still think it's a subpar alternative (although the notable building thing is by far and away worse, how can a building be more notable than a school that built the building and occupied it since?). <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 15:16, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Those look like a good start! Lots of work went into those.  Time much better spent than your chasing of hamburger windmills!--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken  16:57, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

humerous warning...
Nice one :-)

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Help
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 * Heh. Thanks Melb. Same to you, and best of luck for everything in the new year. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 02:11, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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DYK reminder
danjel, since you apparently haven't run across this before, DYK rules say that you are not supposed to sign off on a hook that you yourself have proposed. It's made very clear in WP:DYKSG: "You're not allowed to approve your own hook or article." I ran across two instances today while scouting for hooks to promote, so I thought I ought to let you know right away. (When I build prep sets I'm hit with a double whammy: I shouldn't promote hooks I've proposed or approved.) It's not only a conflict of interest situation, but this way we keep the layers of double-checks intact. Once the original nominator expresses satisfaction with the new ALT, it's time to call in a new reviewer for final approval of it. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, been a while since I read it. Thought it only applied to articles that you wrote or noms where you were likely to get credit. Actually, that seems a little overly bureaucratic. For it to be a conflict of interest, there has to be some benefit that would come to me from having a hook that I rewrote promoted. I don't think there is.. Further, for the sake of expediency, particularly with nominations that have gone unnoticed for a while, it would seem that this hinders reviews. But, whatever, I'll go back through and check and then unstrikethrough them at WT:DYK. Thanks for letting me know <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 00:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The reason I think it's important is that people tend to be less careful checking a hook that they've just devised: my experience is that the source checking is more likely not to be done (or done well) if the person created the hook from the article's text. This includes making sure of the inline source citation and actually reading said source. It happens with unfortunate frequency: it's happened to me in my hook suggestions, much as I mean to guard against it, and it happened to you just today. I think it's a useful rule. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:13, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Cheers (season 3)
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 * What? <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 01:50, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was referring to the nomination. I've fixed everything in ALT2, and photo is out of the nom. --George Ho (talk) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh right. I'll look over it again when I'm not trying to also feed a 10 month old. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 01:54, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Half-Blood Blues
Danjel, the factual issues have all been ironed out, and some new hooks have been suggested. If you have time, I was wondering whether you'd be interested in coming back to review the article changes and associated hooks. Many thanks, and I hope your new year has been a good one so far. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:26, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Murdoch University
Hi Danjel, Thanks for the support. Yes, WP:PRESERVE was what I was looking for. I'd recalled the ANI discussion, and re-read it after replying to Epeefleche's message. I don't mind that kind of editing if it's about obscure facts that are hard to source reliably; I do mind it though when it entails removal of a whole section about the largest campus on a university. I'd help you out but I have to be on a plane to Melbourne for a Wikimedia Australia board meeting in a few hours. Graham 87 23:52, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I've just added signatures/timestamps to the top two comments on your talk page. Not only are unsigned messages my pet peeve, but they are also never archived by MiszaBot. Therefore, my act of signing the messages ensures that they will be archived on the next bot run. Hope you don't mind. Graham 87 00:02, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * A user conduct RFC, perhaps? I've never been involved in one in a significant way before, but I'd be willing to certify one in this case. Graham 87 03:36, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. Graham 87 05:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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All Hallows' School
I have researched the Notable Alumnae section and have been unable to find sourcing for certain alumnae, but sourced references there and at the appropriate WP bio where possible. Please source or remove per WP:BLP. You may find my notes at Talk:All Hallows' School helpful. ClaudeReigns (talk) 07:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Why is this my job? With a 24 hour WP:DEADLINE? <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 07:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * BLP letter states remove immediately. I am being generous. It seems like you are into the topic, and I want to give you a chance to help the section conform to policy. ClaudeReigns (talk) 07:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not connected to the school and I don't care all that much. Perhaps you should raise this at WP:EIA or WP:WPSCH?
 * In regards to WP:BLP, is it contentious that certain individuals go to the school? Or are you looking for ? <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 07:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Outstanding DYK issue
Hi Danjel, on 27 December you signed off Template:Did you know nominations/Breakneck Battery. A new hook has been proposed since then. Could you please confirm if you are happy with it? Prioryman (talk) 10:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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Yo
I am not familiar with your case more than looking at it peripherally for a few minutes, but edit summaries like "you're a bit of a tool" are unlikely to "win the hearts and minds" of anyone that is looking for a reason to defend you. Word to the wise. Doc  talk  12:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * It's pretty clear to me that I'm not nor could I ever have won enough "hearts and minds" to overcome (a) rampant canvassing; nor (b) the natural tendency of this community to protect prolific contributors; nor (c) editors who kick up a metric fuckton of drama. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 12:32, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm just trying to keep you off of the edge of the cliff. I've seen a mess of editors fall off that precipice. I agree there are problems with all the things you mentioned; but you know that in order to contribute here smoothly on a long-term basis you must accept the inequities of this very imperfect system. Again, I haven't looked at your situation fully at this time, but due process is more important than individual editors. Roll with the punches and learn from your mistakes: or the mob will tear you to pieces. Doc  talk  12:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you're an optimist and I'm already hang-gliding somewhere east of the cliff. In all seriousness, I've been here for a "long-term", and I've seen very little change, if any. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 12:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

There's always change, everywhere, every day - it's no different in Wikipedia than in the real world. Recognizing how to evolve with the changes you don't like, and maintaining the desire to be here to improve the 'pedia, takes a lot of "moxie". Many fade away into obscurity all the time. Maybe you have the interest to keep being here according to "teh rulez", and maybe you don't. Good luck to you either way :> Doc   talk  12:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Eh, perhaps I don't have the moxie. In any case, I'm not going anywhere without seeing a resolution to certain things. But at the moment, I've had a chance to evaluate the relative importance and impact of certain things in my life, and wikipedia isn't worth the investment. Cheers. I'll see you around. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 13:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Murray Farm Public School for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Murray Farm Public School is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Murray Farm Public School until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Vandalism
Hi Dan, I realise that  you  are upset at  recent  events. Users are of course free to  remove anything  they like from  their tp (except  block  notices) but  they should  use an appropriate ES. Cheers, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:46, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Abuse from administrators
You should not have been subjected to the personal attacks at ANI, particularly by administrators, particularly by an administrator threatened with desysopping by Jimbo Wales (who apparently accepted an email pledge to stop abuse). In particular, suggestions that you were drunk, etc., were inappropriate.

George should have commented on the abuse and threatened to block administrators who did not remove their abuse. If there is more abuse, then you should consider taking your concerns to Jimbo Wales, rather than on relying on any sense of fairness from the blocking heads at ANI.

Kiefer .Wolfowitz  15:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Who pledged that s/he wouldn't abuse? I was actually genuinely hoping that GiantSnowman would strikethrough his comments (I will, at least, accept the "angry" point, though).


 * None of this is particularly surprising. My experiences with admins over the last couple of weeks, particularly, have been... "Mixed". Including just now when an admin tried to respark a conflict by baiting me. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 15:31, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * BWilkins was threatened with desysopping by Wales. I can send you a diff by email if you wish.
 * Giant Snowman blocked me before going out for a drink.... Don't take his imagining that you were drunk personally....
 * To paraphrase Gary Zhukov on Oprah Winfrey: If others are angry, remember that each of them is carrying a hurt scared child inside, and they have not asked themselves whether they want to have their decisions made by a hurt scared child. (In many cases, administrators are biologically children also.) In general, I don't recommend engaging in arguments with hurt scared childre---giving them a piece of candy or congratulating them on the pretty colors in their signatures is usually the best course.  Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  19:03, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Al-Ahliyya Amman University
Not sure if you've watchlisted this article, so I thought I'd mention that there has been some recent work on Al-Ahliyya Amman University, since you might be interested. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 07:07, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Been distracted lately, so, no, didn't notice. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 07:13, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Your recall request
Hi Dan. I've already explained to  you both  on  and off-Wiki how I  basically  feel  about  this entire issue, and in  fact  TP's closure was pretty  much  how I  would probably have closed if I  had been entirely  uninvolved. However with the parties and myself being regular contributors  to  school articles and my otherwise good collaboration  with  you on  the schools project I  must  step  back  here now. Having reviewed TS's recall  conditions, I do  not  see that  those conditions have been met in order for me to subscribe to  a recall,  and I cannot  see how his comments or intervention  on  any  issues in  which  you are involved constitute a breach  of admin judgement  or misuse of tools. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your consideration, anyway, Kudpung. Cheers. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 02:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * TP is a good guy---not infallible but usually he's right and there's probably something to learn from him even when he's wrong. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  11:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Fighting fire with fire
^Not the way to go about your interactions with people, i.e. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bob_K31416&diff=prev&oldid=536316003 this]. Those words themselves would give an administrator a strong case for an immediate block, no matter what the other person said; had I seen that two days ago, you would have been blocked for 31 hours. Please try to avoid that in the future. Thanks! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm just waiting to see if you post something similar to GiantSnowman's talkpage about inflaming an already hostile environment by calling an, admittedly, "angry" editor, an "angry" "incompetent" "drunk" (diff)... <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 03:28, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The level of difference between speculating if someone is drunk (or not) and your retorts can be measured in terms of rather wide canyons. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Speculating on drunken incompetence does equate to speculating on an inability to grapple with social relationships and/or intellectual retardation. In fact, I'd argue that calling someone "drunk" is far worse, than anything I could have said with the societal issues that come up alongside it, such as domestic violence and so on. In any case, noted. Don't bother replying. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 04:47, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ed enables his buddies who write articles on military hardware. Just ignore him, Danjel. There are too many administrators with no sense of fairness and no scruples about saying a word to their buddies to chill when they are behaving like assholes. Why are you here? Do you need to deal with these people? Avoid articles written by them. They will just continue to bait and hound you, if you do.
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz  11:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Epeefleche
Yes, I was aware, and somewhat disappointed, but not surprised at all. I'm sorry to hear that the drama surrounding it has caused you to retire from Wikipedia. All the best in your future endeavours. Graham 87 04:36, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't endorse her closure. This is the latest reason that, despite repeated exposure to BHG's administrations, I cannot vouch for her intelligence or honesty. Perhaps some day.... Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  13:59, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Noticed
I noticed your recent rfc regarding Epeefleche and i sympathize with your position as i have also been aannoyed by editors deleting easily citable content. Today i made this edit to deal with this issue but i was reverted. Pass a Method  talk  00:16, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

ANI
Regardless of the silliness over whether you should be editing with that tag on your page, I'd respectfully suggest that stuff like this is definitely not a good idea, lest some passing admin decides to make your "retired" tag non-optional. Just sayin'. Black Kite (talk) 20:46, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Good advice.
 * Perhaps you meant to close that window, after having let off some steam, and hit save by mistake? Anyhow, it wouldn't hurt to strike through parts of that, or to apologize on the editor's talk page.  Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  21:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I stand by everything I said there, and I think it's borne out by the evidence and others have gone on to echo my opinion. It isn't as personal as what a lot of people say about others at ANI (at least I didn't call anyone an "angry incompetent drunk"), and certainly isn't as bad as what pbp had to say about me a couple of days ago (diff).
 * I'm not removing it just because of the threat that some admin might decide to demonstrate that they (a) have too much power invested in them; (b) need only approximately follow the rules (e.g. WP:BLOCK regarding punitive blocks on spurious conditions); and (c) that they answer to no one. <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 22:46, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That actually wasn't the point I was making, which was that if you are going to be incivil, ANI is definitely not the best place in which to do it, given that nearly every admin is watching it (not to say it's acceptable anywhere else, but you get my point, hopefully). Black Kite (talk) 00:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my earlier comment. I had not read the whole thread, and I see that your comments were largely on point, although a bit more gentleness would have been desirable.
 * That does seem like a very strange ANI thread, particularly at the end. "Elitist", heaven forbid, in an encyclopedia. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  07:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)