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Please stop moving or renaming pages
Please do not move pages. When there are 2 villages with the same name in Punjab, they need to be named with district and not state.

Please start discussion on the talk page if you wish to rename. Venkat TL (talk) 15:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * We know that and also in the description of the page of Aulakh it is mentioned in the Muktsar district. User486 (talk) 15:54, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @User486 then why did you rename the one in Muktsar to Aulakh, Punjab. Is Aulakh, Nakodar not in Punjab? Venkat TL (talk) 15:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Wanted to right full with Punjab but was okayed before. Thanks. User486 (talk) 15:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also I here need to mention about renaming Muktsar Constituency Assembly page to Sri Muktsar Sahib Constituency Assembly. In 2012 district and city name has been changed/renamed to Sri Muktsar Sahib. No more know from old name. Thanks. User486 (talk) 15:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * No ECI is still using the old name for the constituency page. Until they change their name in their ECI results page, Wikipedia will continue to use what ECI is using. Please read Disambiguation. There are several rules for the disambiguation and all of them need to be followed. If you continue to make wrong moves without following the rules your account may be blocked. If you seek to rename please follow the steps of Requested_moves Venkat TL (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Pl. stop renaming back the moving page. I wanted to ask you do you belong to the same place for which I'm moving page for?? So please I request you not to rename it back like battle of muktsar etc. City name has been changed I already informed you. In 2012 it was renamed and we are just updating the name and some incorrect information nothing else. As you informed about ECI using old name for constituency page. I'm not editing it again but let other pages should be changed. We are editing page after research and not just for changing. We want right information to reach people and not the wrong ones. I hope you understand this. Thanks. User486 (talk) 10:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not care if the city name is changes. Bangalore and Allahabad had been renamed but Wikipedia uses WP:COMMONNAME. There is a proper process for renaming articles on Wikipedia. And there is no special rights for the editors from one city. If you rename again, you will be reported and possibly blocked. Venkat TL (talk) 10:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You're not understanding. So no worries. Thanks alot! User486 (talk) 10:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

We know that?
When you say We know, who are the members of "We"? Venkat TL (talk) 10:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * We or I whatever it is. You are questioning for no reasons. Are you working with Wikipedia?? User486 (talk) 11:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * We is not I. Venkat TL (talk) 11:14, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I know. Why are you making issue for no reasons. So what if I've used We or I while chatting with you. User486 (talk) 14:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

February 2023
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Guru Nanak, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. In particular, Wikipedia does not use honorifics like "Dev" at the end of names. —C.Fred (talk) 05:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Rectified what has been researched on the ground level and not what you're doing without knowing the facts and reality of it. Lot of Information on the Internet especially on the Wikipedia has to be rectified of our Gurus, so pl. let us do the changes which has to be rectified and don't reverse the changes. Do you know the Birth Place of Guru Angad Dev ji or why Dev is added with Guru Nanak and Guru Angad??. So humble request not to reverse it back. User486 (talk) 05:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do—and I know why Wikipedia does not add "Dev", "Dev Ji", "PBUH", or anything of the like to names. —C.Fred (talk) 12:35, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * First of all Wikipedia doesn't stop from adding Dev along the names.. People like you are trying to stop without knowing the history behind it. I also asked about the Birth place of Guru Angad Dev ji but you weren't able to answer that, people who haven't visited the historical places physically will not be able to answer and will only stop people from doing their duties towards their communities..Wikipedia like platforms are open platforms for everyone and not for stopping people to rectify things.. So humble request again, not to reverse the changes which is being rectified. User486 (talk) 09:08, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Guru Angad, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. I am not saying that your edits are inherently wrong; I am saying, as did as well, that you have failed to cite the sources that support your changes, —C.Fred (talk) 12:38, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by reliable source?? Reliable sources I'm sharing here. Pl. check them.
 * https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Angad_Dev
 * https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sikhism/Sri_Guru_Angad_Dev_Ji User486 (talk) 12:56, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Neither of those sources are themselves reliable, though any secondary sources they cite may be. See WP:USERGENERATED for more info. —C.Fred (talk) 20:30, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.britannica.com/biography/Guru-Angad
 * Visited WP:USER-GENERATED info but that isn't clear what actually is acceptable. User486 (talk) 15:10, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * https://sgpc.net/ten-guru-sahibs/guru-angad-sahib/
 * SGPC - Supreme Gurudwara Management Committee. It is the body/organization responsible for management of Gurudwaras, sikh places of worship in Punjab and in India. This is the official body manages everything related to Sikhism community. Their website and sources shouldn't be denied by Wikipedia. User486 (talk) 15:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee User486 (talk) 15:23, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see where you cited SGPC in any of your edits. —C.Fred (talk) 00:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Will definitely add SGPC with edits, if it is allowed. User486 (talk) 13:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Britannica does not support the change to the number of hyms. —C.Fred (talk) 00:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Birth Place not the hymns. User486 (talk) 13:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No change is needed to the birth place. We use the name at the time of his birth, not the modern name. —C.Fred (talk) 15:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But we are not talking about Modern name or Birth time name. We are talking here is to specify the right name of the Birth. Khadur to Muktsar or Muktsar to Khadur is approx 100 kms (62 miles). On the right side in the box it is written Matte-di-Sarai, Muktsar and on the left side:
 * Guru Angad was born with birth name of Lehna (also transliterated as Lahina) in village of Harike (other sources state his birthplace as Khadur) in the Punjab region.
 * How can we write opposite or different on the both sides?? User486 (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing this out. I have changed the infobox to also read Harike, since that is the cited place of birth. —C.Fred (talk) 23:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Cited Birth Place - Harike is Incorrect. Pl. let me know about cite and resources which are accepted by Wikipedia. So that I can rectify. User486 (talk) 12:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This Harike shows in the Tarn Taran district. User486 (talk) 12:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:Reliable sources and tell me what sources you have for the correct birthplace. —C.Fred (talk) 13:09, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've Books.... Encyclopedia of Sikh Literature by Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha in Punjabi. I can share the Pictures of it, if you or wikipedia allows me to. Also, it'll be better if you can translate it by yourself in English or get it translated by someone else. It is written there a Matte-di-Sarai as a Birth Place which was earlier in Ferozepur district now it is Sri Muktsar Sahib district. User486 (talk) 09:36, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No response?? User486 (talk) 15:59, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a volunteer project; responses aren't immediate. If it's a non-English source, we'll need assistance from somebody who reads the language. I'd suggest mentioning it at the article talk page to see if another editor there can read Punjabi and can translate it. —C.Fred (talk) 01:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I can translate it but for genuity, I'm saying if it is possible for you to translate, you can translate it by yourself or someone else. I'll sharing the resource link here in Punjabi and translation in English both.  User486 (talk) 09:17, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * https://pasteboard.co/DreszqmeRZoS.jpg
 * https://pasteboard.co/aRsP1Xp349C5.jpg
 * Guru Angad Dev ji Birth Place - Matte-di-Sarai on the left side below paragraph and Hymns Sixty Three written under that Paragraph in the Images attached above. The Encyclopaedia of Sikh Literature by Harbans Singh in English. So no translation needed now. Pl. check and rectify the details. User486 (talk) 15:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The Encyclopaedia of SIKHISM - above was the typo error. User486 (talk) 15:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Slokas are the hymns which you were talking about.. Just to clarify. User486 (talk) 15:47, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I have reverted your changes again, because the sources cited in the article do not support the change. Additionally, I have reverted to not link specifically to the Punjab state of India, but to the broader Punjab region, because India did not exist when Angad was born. The page snippet you shared via Pasteboard does not support the change in birth place, so that cannot be used as a source. —C.Fred (talk) 12:18, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Why snippets shared via Pasteboard cannot support the Birth place??. How can you say that?? It is the Encyclopaedia of SIKHISM. You can't deny it. User486 (talk) 12:23, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you read the pages shared?? User486 (talk) 12:31, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you know what you're doing... By giving false information about the birth place you aren't doing any justice to anyone and making believe the wrong information as a right for the people. Harike which you are referring is 100 Kms away from actual birth place. But how will you know, you haven't been to place. Right??.  User486 (talk) 12:41, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Read on the left in the snippet shared....https://pasteboard.co/aRsP1Xp349C5.jpg .....Gurudwaras in the Khadur area there is one in Sarai Nanga, the village formerly known as Matte di Sarai, the birth place of Guru Angad. And 63 sixty three slokas/hymns line below that para.... comprising sixty-three slokas scattered through vars. Read. User486 (talk) 12:47, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Matte-di-Sarai (Sarainaga) moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Matte-di-Sarai (Sarainaga), is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. TheWikiholic (talk) 07:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Matte-di-Sarai (Sarainaga)
Hello User486,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Matte-di-Sarai (Sarainaga) for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.

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 * Yes from Sikiwiki bcoz the source there is written with proper references. No worries, I'll be writing myself about the Matte-di-Sarai (Sarainaga) by the resources from the Encyclopaedia which I referred earlier also but page shouldn't be deleted. User486 (talk) 07:45, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * https://pasteboard.co/RJq8qhZgGi15.png
 * https://pasteboard.co/WcGASd4z3ut2.png
 * https://pasteboard.co/WrXB8vgD6sKm.png
 * Resources/Data written on the page has been attached here from the Encyclopaedia of SIKHISM by Bhai Harbans Singh ji. If any doubts, pl. let me know. User486 (talk) 09:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you delete this page, now..Sarai Naga..... I've written in this one everything - Matte-di-Sarai (Sarainaga)... So both should not clash or keep people in doubts. User486 (talk) 10:50, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I have deleted Draft:Matte-di-Sarai (Sarainaga) again because it is a direct copy from https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Matte_Di_Sarai_(Sarainaga). I reviewed the Sikhwiki website, and I do not see any evidence of a permissive license that would allow use of the text of the article on Wikipedia. —C.Fred (talk) 12:24, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But I've already shared the resources for the same from the encyclopaedia. Pasteboard links shared already. User486 (talk) 12:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Matte-di-Sarai (Sarainaga) moved to draftspace
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 * https://pasteboard.co/RJq8qhZgGi15.png
 * https://pasteboard.co/WcGASd4z3ut2.png
 * https://pasteboard.co/WrXB8vgD6sKm.png
 * Already attached the resources along the submission of the page. Pl. check above links and let me know, should I submit the draft??. User486 (talk) 11:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Before you attempt to submit any draft, please make sure you have written the draft in your own words. You may not copy text wholesale from another website. —C.Fred (talk) 12:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Already shared the links of the Encyclopaedia of SIKHISM for the same. User486 (talk) 12:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC)