User talk:Vanished user 342562/Archive 4

Signature size
What is wrong with my signature size? Is the code too long or is the signature too tall? -- 224jeff6   TALK2ME 22:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The height of my signature is EXACTLY the same hieght as your signature. 224jeff6  TALK2ME 22:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I saw on your page that somebody else had a concern with the size and color of your signature, and you didn't change yours. A bit hippicritical, don't ya think? -- 224jeff6   TALK2ME 22:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, just like my buddy jeffy said above, your signiture is violating the policy. You are cleary not allowed to have a link to an autographs page on your sig. So just checking in to see if my signiture is right. Cheers? -- Carerra "[[User talk:Carerra|Chatter"|undefined 23:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did change mine after that user left a message on my talk page and I took the images off, and no, Jeff's signature size is much taller than mine is (Jeff's is 5 pixels and mine is 2 pixels).  It says nowhere in the signature policy page that you cannot have a link to your autograph page.  It only says that if you do link to your autograph page, you should not use a super font size (like the size of Jeff's signature).  Yeah, and I noticed Carrera changed his signature to make it smaller just before he replied here, so it would look like it was never big.  Like I'm that stupid.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I changed my signiture so that I met the guildlines. I did it as fast as I could and then came to you to see if I was correct. I know that my sig was just a huge red blotch and so does everybody else. Sorry about saying yours was wrong and pardon my friend jeff. He's still a little new! -- Carerra "Chatter" 18:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's ok. Can we be friends now?  (If the answer is yes, please sign my autograph page and tell Jeff to change his signature).   Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course we can. I like your username by the way. I signed your autograph page. I will tell jeff now but he might have already! -- Carerra "Chatter" 19:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just one small problem, Diligent Terrier. You said that another editor's signature didn't conform to the guideline Signature, but ironically you seem to be ignoring the fact that your own signature, at 452 characters in length excluding the datestamp, is far beyond the injunction in that guideline to "Keep signatures short, both in display and markup." Indeed many of your comments are mostly signature! Would you please give this matter some attention? --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 19:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It never specifically states the exact length that signatures should be. But it does say the height that they should be, which is why I corrected Carrera and Jeff.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you contend that a 452 character signature is acceptable? --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 19:22, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that most of the code for my signature is for multi-colors and stuff, which does not make it any longer. It really doesn't matter what the signature looks like in the source; what matters is how it looks on the page.  In that case, your signature is much longer.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but all of the code in your signature makes it longer. For instance, while I'm trying to edit this discussion and respond to your comment, I have to search a very large mess of formatting to try to find, hidden somewhere inside, the words of the comment to which I'm trying to respond.  This is why our guideline says both in display and markup.


 * It doesn't do to clutter up the page with unnecessary markup. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 20:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, well. Have a nice day!   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you explain this edit on my talk page, please? --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 20:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, maybe you can explain this edit on my talk page where you edited my comment.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You've misread the edit. I didn't alter your comment; rather I quoted it verbatim, including a 450-character signature, in a format that would show what appears in my edit box when I reply to your comments. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 20:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you are wrong again. Adding html tags around others' edits which affect their comments is considered refactoring their comments because it changes how they look.  But whatever, I have changed my signature, and you can go away now.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:50, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't add markup around your comments, I quoted your comments within markup. Thanks for being considerate about your signature, that's a huge improvement. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 21:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes you did! You added   tags around my comments which affected the formatting.  (diff)   Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you've missed the point, somehow. Never mind. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 12:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFPP
Did you mean to request indefinite semi-protection?  jj137  (talk)  18:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's ok, too. You can change it to that.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

January 20, 2009
Although your edit note correctly states "Although we cannot predict it when he will actually leave office, we know that his term expires in 2009 according to U.S. law," that is not what you have been editing this article to say. You have been editing this article to state as fact that George Bush will leave office on January 20. This is a remarkably silly thing to get into an edit war over. --Orlady (talk) 19:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops...sorry! I didn't notice that.  I thought I  was reverting it to say the term expires on January 20, 2008.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad it was just a misunderstanding. When the edits come fast and furious, it can be hard to keep up... --Orlady (talk) 19:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry again!  Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Legitimate comment deleted
What legitamite comment did I delete? -- 224jeff6   TALK2ME 21:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You didn't delete a comment, you edited one of my comments. That was a standard message, so that is why it said that.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. Which one? -- 224JEFF6     SAY SOMETHIN' KID! 00:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Right here (diff) where you pasted your signature inside my comment! A general rule with Wikipedia talk pages is that you never mess with people's talk page comments.  Even if it's your own talk page, that does not give you a right to experiment with other user's comments.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, that? That was where I compared the heights of our signatures. I see how my sig was taller than yours. Mine started below yours, because I had a lowercase "j" in my sig. Well, I changed my sig now, so we can get on with everything. -- 224JEFF6     SAY SOMETHIN' KID! 19:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait. I'm not supposed to mess with other people's talk page comments, OK. But even if they are on my page? -- 224JEFF6     SAY SOMETHIN' KID! 19:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The general rules for talk pages are: Hope these help. Diligent Terrier and friends 20:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * a) Never mess with other people's comments even if they are on your own page.
 * b) You may move comments on any talk page to another section in that same page, as long as there is a good reason behind why you are moving them to another section in that page. If you do this you must move the comment(s) in their entirety without adding or taking away from them.
 * c) You may only completely remove comments if it is your own talk page. In that case you must remove them in their entirety.

My page
Good work. Basketball 110   what famous people say  ♣ 00:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. Be careful with the bar. Someone might take it. Basketball  110   will you sign?  ♣ 00:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Personal Attack
What did I do? I thought we were friends? If it was Crittermations just to let you know, he is my neighbor and best friend and I have no idea why he vandalized my page and what he did but he is still my best friend. Can you please respond back? I didn't mean to attack anybody! -- Carerra "Chatter" 12:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I am talking about this comment, which is a personal attack. Although it is in the third person, it is obvious you are referring to me.  It seems like you have gotten a little nicer, so I will let you off on this one without reporting you.  But just remember: if you attack anyone again, that would be two personal attacks, which qualifies for a permanent ban.  But I hope we are past this, so let's be friends. :)   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh... well I'm very very sorry. That was before we signed the treaty. Let's hope we can be mates for the rest of our Wikilives! Cheer's to a long friendship! I really never meant to be mean. I don't know what got intome. That might hurt me in my RFA but that's in a while so I hope we won't go back to that! -- Carerra "Chatter" 20:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey can you review my userpage and tell me what you think of it?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I love your userpage! It is all techno-ish and cool. Is there anything specific you want me to do? A barnstar maybe...? -- Carerra "Chatter" 20:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment! Well, I'm not sure I did anything for you to deserve a barnstar, but if you are going to offer me one, I can't turn it down.  [[Image:Smile.png]]  (By the way I also reformatted your comment above by removing the space in front of it.  When you put a space in front of comments they show up wierd.)   Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

sig
Hey, hust wanted to tell you, love the new sig.  RC-0722 communicator/kills 20:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear that! [[Image:Smile.png]] Feel free to copy it yourself if you want to:  User:Diligent Terrier/Sandbox/Signature  --  Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, yeah I've been thinking about changing it.  RC-0722 communicator/kills 20:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

your userpage
I love it!  RC-0722 communicator/kills 21:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Hey, do you think you can finish off recruiting the homeschoolers, interested homeschoolers, and WikiProject Alternative Education members?  If you can't get all of those three, I could probably assign Burner0718 to do some.  After we finish those off, we can look recruiting members of WikiProject Education and WikiProject Schools.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do.  RC-0722 communicator/kills 21:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! Can you start today?  Let me know which ones you can do.  Also let me know when you finish them.  (I may have a barnstar waiting for you.)  That way I will know which ones are left so Burner0718 or I can finish them off.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done!  RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you get all of them?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, all of the ones that haven't been done before.  RC-0722 communicator/kills 21:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

AIV
Please don't use reversion to restore small amounts of text, especially on such a high traffic page as WP:AIV. Your revert overwrote another report. Mr.  Z- man  19:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Comment on 156.34X's talk page
This here is actually incorrect; users can remove information from their talk pages even if they're anonymous. Especially in this instance when his IP is static. He is also a very experienced former account holder whom has had many welcome messages :-) - I hope this clears up any confusion, friend! Take care! Scarian Call me Pat  21:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please show me where it says that.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here! - And he also archives them which is even better! :-) Hope this helps. Scarian Call me Pat  21:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That only holds true for registered users. Then why would there be template messages designed to tell IP users to not remove messages from their talk pages?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "...only holds true for registered users." - Now it's your turn to show me! :-) - This is fun... Bottom line is: no one has challenged this before. Why do you do so now? Libsey has many admin friends whom know policy better than you and I but they have no problem with it... Scarian Call me Pat  21:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My concern is just that if we let one user do it, we will probably have to eventually overturn the entire policy.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't specifically state that non-registered account users may not remove comments. I wouldn't worry so much about every anon archiving their talk pages... there are only maybe a handful of anon users who do archive their talk pages. Informally, on IRC, a user came along and asked if it was okay for anon's to remove comments/warnings from their talk pages and several (3) users responded "Yes". So, there you go! :-) If you have any further queries please don't hesitate to contact me. Scarian Call me Pat  22:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I understand what you mean. Actually, I wasn't talking about IP addresses who archive their pages, I was talking about IP users who remove warnings from their talk pages, and then when another user comes along, it looks like they haven't vandalized before.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:DTTR
Diligent Terrier, I can appreciate that the information you want to post on Jimbo's page is important to you. First, you need to be aware that many editors patrol that page and regularly revert information from it - several times a day.

Secondly, the threaded discussion happening on that page right now is very important to the project. Have you even read it? And most importantly - the editor you have templated has been at Wikipedia for a long time. He has returned from a self-imposed exile to defend Jimbo Wales, a man with whom he has had serious differences in the past. That requires a great deal of moral fibre. Don't template the regulars is an important philosophy - it means talk it out. If you have a problem with Giano, bring it up with him directly. Risker (talk) 21:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, well that still doesn't mean he has the right to remove message from someone else's talk page. Just because they are a certain type of user with a whole bunch of edits or whatever it is doesn't make it right.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Do not spam my page again with your ridiculous warnings! Giano (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the last time I checked, you actually are not allowed to randomly remove notices from other user's talk pages.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Diligent Terrier, it is also inappropriate for you to add a heading above someone's post on your talk page. I have moved Giano's comment back where it was. You can delete his comment to you if you want, but you don't get to characterize it differently than as he wrote it.

Tell me, DT, why are you posting about that wikiproject on Jimbo's page? Do you believe he's jumping at the opportunity to participate? Of course not, you are doing it for the advertising value of doing so. Well, those kinds of edits are frequently reverted from Jimbo's talk page, which is the one user talk page on Wikipedia where longterm editors regularly remove things. Vandalism. Silliness. Spam. BLP violations. They also address a lot of the issues brought there. Jimbo's page is more a public message board than a talk page, as you well know. Risker (talk) 21:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow! You are going to accuse me of vandalism for inviting a fellow Wikipedian to a WikiProject?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well actually, I was thinking more of spam. I don't think it's vandalism. Risker (talk) 21:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then why did you call it vandalism? And something is only spam when it is added to an article.  Sorry, but a invitation to a WikiProject on a fellow Wikipedian's talk page does not count as spam.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't call it vandalism. I listed four types of edits that are regularly removed from Jimbo's talk page by other editors:  "Vandalism. Silliness. Spam.  BLP violations." That's more or less, from my observation, the order of frequency of removals.  And I can assure you if you were to post that on my talk page, I would consider it spam. Risker (talk) 21:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I don't care what you consider it. What matters is what the policy says.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I also don't think it's fair that you say that other guy has more knowledge on Wikipedia policy than I do. That may be true, but it is not fair to say, and are you a mind reader?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

A little word
You seem to be keen on telling other users how Wikipedia works, ignoring or arguing with established users who advise you differently, and then not applying WP standards when it comes to your own editing. First instance, the one I came here for, is that this is entirely inappropriate. You were pointed to Don't Feed The Trolls earlier - I suggest you link to it and read. Wikipedia is Not a battleground is another. You get vandalised, just either ignore it per WP:DENY or report it to one appropriate venue.

It seems to me that you are getting a little ahead of yourself. I should comment that you may wish to put the brakes on slightly, and see if going slower gets you to your destination a little quicker - without the distractions that may divert you from time to time. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * When was I pointed to WP:DFTT?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologise, you weren't - I misread WP:DTTR in the section header above. So, I now suggest that you do read it, and the others I suggested, and add WP:CIVIL to the list; please and thank you (as in "thank you for blocking that ip that I mentioned in WP:ANI and WP:AN and then reported to AIV") goes a long way to making things more congenial. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for blocking the IP I mentioned. [[Image:Smile.png]] However, I did not ask for editor review.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We often get things we do not ask for. ++Lar: t/c 19:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, where did you come from?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't ask! --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 01:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't ask you.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 01:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * People who live in glass houses shouldn't. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 02:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What!? What does that have to do with anything?  RC-0722 communicator/kills 02:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you mean by that, Anticipation of...  Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * To be a bit more straightforward, there are things you are doing that give me concern. When I saw your posts on Jimbo's talk page I found them odd and I came here to investigate. I think you need to rethink your approach in a few areas. Terrier should be your nickname, not your approach, as worrying at things with jaws firmly clenched won't work here. You seem to be arguing with quite experienced editors about what is and isn't appropriate... when several people tell you you're on the wrong path, that's usually quite significant. Further, I specifically absolutely agree with the feedback at the start of this section, that warning and then gloating is very very inappropriate behaviour. ++Lar: t/c 02:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * When was I arguing with "experienced editors"? And what makes you think I was "gloating"?  What warning is inappropriate?  I don't understand what you mean by all this.  Are you talking about me?  I'm also sorry to hear you don't like terriers, but there's nothing I can do about that.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you do understand what I mean. Yes, I'm talking about you. No I don't dislike terriers. My goodness. Please think more carefully about what you do and say, and please try to give the impression that you've actually read what advice you're given. The evidence of your arguing is all over this page. You need to change your approach. ++Lar: t/c 18:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I still don't understand what is wrong with inviting Jimbo to my WikiProject, and why you call that "odd". Sure, he may be busy, but after reading up on policy (as you have suggested) someone else does not have the right to remove a message from someone else's talk page (yes, even if they are an experienced Wikipedian).  So, when someone removed it, and said they had a right to do so, I automatically became defensive.  I am sorry if that came across as "arguing", but I was actually right, and if I hadn't said anything ... if I had just gone along with the flow, my invitation would no longer be there.  So, maybe in that case the "experienced" Wikipedian was wrong.  And I also hate to break it to you, but I was never "gloating" at all in this conversation.  And you still never told me what warning was inappropriate.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "Well, guess what? I reported you and you are blocked now!!!" ... that's gloating. More importantly, your tone and approach in general need changing. You're arguing tendentiously with me right now. ++Lar: t/c 20:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have already apologized about that. But please remember that was definitely not addressed to an "experienced" Wikipedian.  That for an IP address user who had vandalized my userpage and made personal attacks against me.  Also, what are the "inappropriate warnings" you are talking about?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

A further word; User:Lar is one of the most respected wikipedians currently editing. Not only is he an admin, but he has Checkuser rights (the ability to find the ip address behind an account name, and there are only a dozen or less of these highly trusted individuals on en-Wiki), and is a steward - as sort of super admin - on metaWiki. He really is someone whose words, softly spoken as they are, are to be heeded. Put it this way; if Lar decided to block you (and he will do everything he can to persuade you to change and not have to take that decision) then the very few people that would be foolish enough to undo the block (and I'm one of them) will do it only to increase the tariff. I truly suggest that you listen to what Lar, and others, are saying, and follow that advice. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok. Yep, I've been listening to what he's been saying this whole time.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Less... Diligent: Where did you apologise, I did not see that in this string. It is nevertheless inappropriate to gloat to anyone, even a vandal. It is also inappropriate to argue tendentiously as you are doing now. Please reread the original messages you were left, by Scarian, by Risker, by LessHeard vanU, etc and think about why you feel it necessary to argue with each of them about every single thing, every point raised. Knock it off, or you may find your editing privileges suspended. We need cooperative, collegial editing, not this terrier like behaviour in which you worry every question to death. That wastes time better spent elsewhere. You absolutely do NOT give the impression you are listening. ++Lar: t/c 20:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I don't give you the impression that I've been listening, because I have been. Now I'm going to do what you suggested ... re-read all the whole second half of this page, or whatever it is by now.  I'm sorry it may come across as though I am arguing.  I admit I tend to get very defensive at times.  And I'll try to improve my behavior, too.  So, can we be friends now?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You need to work on the impression you give others, and on your ability to take criticism on board without arguing every point. It's not easy but it's a needed skill to be successful here. As for being friends: I'll resume assuming good faith about your edits, if I see a pattern of improvement. ++Lar: t/c 21:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, sounds good. Sorry if I gave you the impression I wasn't listening.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Your AN post
I've responded there without reading the bit about responses being on your talk page. Graham 87 01:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for merging those pages!  Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Fake New Messages Bar
Sorry to tell you, but you have to remove you fake new messages bar per this -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  01:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * But that only says the community generally frowns upon it, so oh well if they "frown upon it". But some users actually like it there, and don't frown upon it.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed it for you. That makes at least the third person who has removed it from your page in recent days. If you replace it again I will consider that you are engaged in a slow moving edit war and act accordingly. ++Lar: t/c 20:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * PS... this reversion inappropriately identifies the edit reverted as vandalism. It is not. Don't do that again, please. ++Lar: t/c 20:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, must have just meant to hit the rollback button instead. Sorry!   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Cavs Newsletter for 2-8-08

 * As a part of the Cleveland Cavaliers' WikiProject, we encourage you to vote and/or nominate articles for the projects April collaboration. We hope to see you there, Basketball  110  17:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

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This newsletter has been delivered by Basketball  110 . —Preceding comment was added at 17:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got no time at all. Which is why I'll do it. What is the first task? Basketball  110  17:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I mean you don't have to do it. I don't mean to push you.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I would love to do it. What project is it? Basketball  110  17:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The homeschooling project (WP:WPHS). I sent you an invite.  You can put me down to write for it.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How is that for the newsletter? You'll have to change the date, colors, and image. I'm going to create the newsroom. Basketball  110  17:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm all done. Just click the two links in the message above, and you've arrived at the pages. Cheers, Basketball  110  17:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Celtics
Thanks for joining! Here is the most recent newsletter! -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  17:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Homeschooling
How is the image and colors on WikiProject Homeschooling/Newsletter? Basketball  110  18:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really like the pink/purple. Just changed it to a new look.  What you think of it?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! Did you see the newsroom? Basketball  110  19:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. I sure did.  Did you see what I did with it?  Hey, and are you going to join the project?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I joined. Also: As a part of Wikipedia's Suns WikiProject, you are encouraged to vote to April's project collaboration. We hope to see you there, Basketball  110  20:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I will be having the first issue of the newsletter ready soon. Can you deliver it?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd love to. When? Basketball  110  20:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends on how soon I can get this all setup. Can you fix this: WikiProject Homeschooling/Newsroom/Newsletter/Template so that everything is the news section goes the width of the page?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You should be able to just remove the "" thing and put in the text. Basketball  110  20:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have that in there because it is being used a template.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Just figured it out.  Will you be ready to deliver it in moments to all the members?  I can add a "Newsletter delivered by Basketball110" notice at the bottom.   Diligent Terrier  and friends
 * OK, the March 2008 edition is ready for delivery!  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ready! I'll take it to all right now. Basketball  110  22:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't say anything, just. Basketball  110  22:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, now I see. Basketball  110  22:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: Invite
How did you find me and why would you think that I'd be interested in a homeschooling project? HP Jo ker  Leave me a message 22:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed you seemed to know several of the members, and I think I was a member of one of the same WikiProjects as you. You don't have to join though.    Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Homeschooling Newsletter

 * I just saw what you wrote about me in the newsletter. LOL (I don't usually do that, the LOL bit, but I must be demented today)! I have received another request for a newsletter, so I've got to go make that. Basketball  110  22:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about WikiProject Arkansas?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * haha ... you delivered yourself a newsletter?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did deliver myself a newsletter. I wanted to have it where I could reach it, so I got it. Basketball  110  20:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hi, and welcome to the Arkansas WikiProject! We are a group of Wikipedia editors who help to improve articles related to Arkansas on Wikipedia.

Looking for somewhere to start? Here is a few suggestions.
 * You can check out topics on the main page.
 * You can add WikiProject Arkansas to talk pages of Arkansas-related articles, and assess them as well.
 * Check out the to do list for the WikiProject, and opt to try and complete some of those tasks.

If you have any comments, suggestions, or would like to talk about the project in general, feel free to leave a message on the talk page. Thanks for joining! Chetblong T C 23:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter
Cool.  K im  u  19:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I want to do it twice a month, so do you think I should call the editions "Late March" and "Early March", or what?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds good. Although most of the newsletters on here are once a month. Do we have a collaboration of the month?  K im  u  19:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think most are weekly. But I don't think I'll have time for that.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, we don't have a collaboration of the month right now. You want to help me get one setup now?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, just set it up. Added a link on the Early March newsletter.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Which group(s) of users did you finish recruiting for the WikiProject?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 01:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I did alternate education and education. I think burner got the rest of them tho.  K im  u  02:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Arkansas collaboration
As a part of WikiProject Arkansas, you are encouraged to vote for a project collaboration. Hope to see you there, Basketball  110  20:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Could it wait a minute? As you can see, I'm delivering something else at the moment. Basketball  110  20:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I sent the newsletter. Basketball  110  20:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You got it! Basketball  110  23:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The article "Arkansas" has been chosen for March's project collaboration. Voting has begun for April's collaboration. Hope to see you there, Basketball  110  23:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter
Hi, Diligent Terrier. I signed in the project but i'm not quite sure how i can help now. I shall greatly appreciate if you'd be kind enough to post the newsletter to me, too. I'd like to contribute. Happy editing. E104421 (talk) 22:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear that you've joined. Our newsletter deliverer Basketball110, just dropped a newsletter off at your talk page.  One place where we need help now is with the collaboration of the month nominations.  These decide what article our focus will be on for the month.  A link to where you can vote on this is included in the newsletter.  Also, we need to place our new template on the talk page of all related articles, and also assess those articles.  There is info on that on the project page.  Let me know if I can help you with anything else, and I'm glad to see you've joined.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Miscorrection
Hi. This attempted correction was accidentally made to the wrong word and so did not remove an error but instead introduced an additional error. --Lambiam 20:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah. Thanks for that!   Diligent Terrier  and friends 12:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Logo
I put the logo on your userpage since you asked on Chetblong's talk page. If you want TM added, feel free to tell me, and I will create a new one. Thanks. -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  01:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, first I want to thank you for doing this! I really like the logo!  Yes, I would like TM added, and actually if you have the create a new one I would prefer the image on the left side.  Thanks again!!!   Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done If you would like any other changes feel free to suggest them on my talk page. -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  21:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure! Thanks for the barnstar! Glad to help. Feel free to tell me if you want any other changes to it. (Or after a while you get bored of it, and want it totally redesigned) I'll be glad to help. -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  19:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Ownership of WP:Home
Can you stop putting on every piece of Wikipedia about WP:HOME that you are the founder. It reads to me that you are trying to exert undue control/influence. I am assuming good faith and believe that this is something you never thought of, but please stop. Zginder(talk) (Contrib) 19:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't been putting it all over WP:HOME, in fact I think the only place I have said that is on the project page and in the members section. I am not trying to exude undue control/influence, and it is inappropriate of you to accuse me of that.  This is really a cheap shot and I do not appreciate it.    Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I also just went to your talk page, and noticed that you had plagiarized my entire newsletter code and template I created. It's not that I have a problem with that, but the template says that you "designed" it and wrote it.  The text is also almost exactly the same and you just changed the name of the WikiProject and other wording where applicable.  For someone who complains to me about taking credit for stuff, I don't think you should be the one criticizing me for that.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:HOME now says that you are the "Lead Coordinator" a position that you were not elected to. Zginder(talk) (Contrib) 23:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I elected myself back when I was the only member. But please, Zginder, come on, I've spend a lot of time getting this thing started, as you can see with all of the pages and stuff there.  I also feel very comfortable saying that with starting the whole thing from scratch, I have spend a lot more time on this than anyone else in the project.  If what you want is to be a assistant coordinator, you can nominate yourself to do that.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I will tack take you up on that. Zginder(talk) (Contrib) 01:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by that?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 01:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, now I understand.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 01:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So, how's the newsletter?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 01:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it. Zginder(talk) (Contrib) 01:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW not that I want to use it now, but it would help if we could codify rules as to how to preform a recall. Zginder(talk) (Contrib) 01:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would you want to recall me ... I've done so much to get this thing started? Well, anyway, I was thinking of doing the same thing (posting rules for a recall).  I think I would set up the rules to say that you need at least two thirds of the members to vote for a recall, plus a very good reason behind it, which must be related to activities that the user did which related to the project.  Or, if the user has not edited at all for more than 2 years, or has been blocked from Wikipedia for some reason, there would be a forced resignation.  The user can also resign at any time.  I'll probably post these terms on a policy page when I get a chance another time, but gotta go now.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 01:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not want to recall you. I simply want written rules in case they become necessary. Zginder(talk) (Contrib) 01:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

talk:Florida
Thanks for the heads up. Indeed I did put such a warning on the vandals talk page, as I always do. He reverted it as vandalism! :) See Revision history of User talk:168.184.242.50. Redlink. Try history tab on User talk:168.184.242.50. I think he ought to be blocked just for that but I don't know how much of an issue to make over it. Student7 (talk) 21:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You would be better off using WP:Twinkle - it's a lot faster than typing out a different warning each time.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Homeschooling Newsletter

 * I might not be able to finish them right now. I'll see. Basketball  110  21:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I finished quite a while ago. Basketball  110  02:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to suggest something: why don't we have 3 newsletters a month, because the "end" of March isn't on the 12th. The one I just sent out could be the "mid," and maybe on the 21st or something, we could have the "end" of March newsletter. Just a suggestion. Cheers, Basketball  110  02:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the one you just sent out is called "Late March", not "End of March".  Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thought about it, and I'm still not sure. But I think for now I want to stay with two a month.  Should they be called Early March and Late March, or Early March and Mid March - or what?
 * Yes, it is Late March, sorry about that. Two a month is fine with me. Basketball  110  03:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

cookies
do u have any koooookieees?  K im  u  23:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just gave you one!  Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry
Great job commenting on 224jeff6's sockpuppetry case. that should really help us prove that he has made a sockpuppet. No conclusions yet. Again thanks! -- C a r er ra carerra 00:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I had already warned you about this personal attack, and now I'm noticing this. I suggest you remember that your messages with other users are not private emails.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Tell me what I did specifically and I will explain. -- C a r er ra carerra 00:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I just linked to it.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

assistant organizer
OK, if you want to. :)  K im  u  00:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please sign here to accept: WikiProject Homeschooling/Members  Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes
Geez! When are you gonna start archiving already?!


 * I actually just did - in January.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar again
I'll get to that soon, and find a way to tell you... secretly! Basketball  110  22:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

re:Nom
Yes, I'd be happy to accept your nom to be assistant organizer. I've been busy in other activites outside of Wikipedia and haven't been as active as normal. I'm still on here as much as possible though. But anyway, thanks for the nom.  Burner 0718  JibbaJabba! 00:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. RC-0722 also accepted, and Zginder nominated himself.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 01:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice. I officially accepted BTW.  Burner 0718  JibbaJabba! 01:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Bulls Welcome
Hi, and welcome to the Bulls WikiProject! We are a group of (mainly) Bulls fans who help to improve coverage related to the Chicago Bulls on Wikipedia.

Looking for somewhere to start? Here is a few suggestions.
 * You can check out topics on the main page.
 * You can add WikiProject Chicago Bulls to talk pages of Chicago Bulls-related articles, and assess them as well.
 * Check out the to do list for the WikiProject, and opt to try and complete some of those tasks.

If you have any comments, suggestions, or would like to talk about the project in general, feel free to leave a message on the talk page. Basketball  110  04:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Boston Celtics April Collaboration
Yesterday, Paul Pierce which was nominated by Basketball110 was selected as April's Collaboration. The nomination is avaliable here. If you were not able to vote, we look forward to you voting in May's collaboration which will be avaliable in late April. However, as of now Boston Celtics remains March's Collaboration. Please see the to-do list for the article on it's talk page. Thanks, Newsletterbot (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC) The above message was an automatically delievered message from Newsletterbot. If you would not like to receive any more updates/notices please add your name here.

Re: Newsletterbot
Sure! Just leave links to the newsletter(s) here. And they will soon be delivered. Thanks, -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  18:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds great. Probably won't have one until early April.  Just wanted to check and see if it was possible.  Still not sure if Basketball110 is ok with being put out of business.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed that. Won't happen again. Sorry! -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  22:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't have to apologize. Just thought I'd let you know.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

re:WP:Homeschooling

 * again, as above.  Burner 0718  JibbaJabba! 19:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * again.  Burner 0718  JibbaJabba! 19:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * once again.  Burner 0718  JibbaJabba! 19:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * again.  Burner 0718  JibbaJabba! 19:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * again. :)  Burner 0718  JibbaJabba! 20:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've added your talk page to my watchlist. You don't have to go crazy everytime you respond, unless you want to. :)  Just know how tiring that can be.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:AE
I commented.  K im  u  19:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Pay attention, I clearly said "Whether it is his intention or not, I agree that DiligentTerrier does seem to be giving the impression that..." - it's entirely possible, even probably, that you're not actually trying to be an ass - which is why I'm warning you that you're failing to give a proper "public image", the things you've been doing and saying can easily be construed to be negative. Whether it's things like adding usernames to the Newsletter heading, or similar things, they appear to be ego-stroking. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 20:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Please be civil. I've responded to the whole thing at the page.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The Cleveland Cavaliers WikiProject Newsletter
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Another title, which is not meant for anyone else

 * Whisper, whisper! You can change the name, or message. What do you think of my new sig? Basketball  110  01:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm very okay with it, but the majority have to agree. I'll see, hold on. Basketball  110  21:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You been accepted! Basketball  110  21:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The Phoenix Suns WikiProject Newsletter
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Journeyman editor
You now qualify for a higher rank, Journeyman. Zginder(talk) (Contrib) 15:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC

Wikiproject Boston Celtics Newsletter
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The Chicago Bulls Wikiproject Newsletter
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Userpage
Sorry to tell you this, but the Apple Logo on your userpage is a copyrighted logo, so you have to remove it :( -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  20:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's actually not the real logo...it's something that someone did to look like the logo...see here. And look below at all the userpages that use it!   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh - nice to know! You can keep it! Sorry for the confusion. -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  22:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I joined. Thanks for the co-nom BTW. -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  22:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Another secret section!
I'm very okay with it, but the majority have to agree. I'll see, hold on. Basketball 110  21:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You've been accepted! Basketball  110  21:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you ever thought about adminship (if you are already, please forgive me for asking such a stupid question)? Basketball  110  21:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I am currently not an admin...but yes, I have thought about applying. You think I could be accepted?  And are you an admin?  I think you could pass.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I would definately give you STRONG support if you ran. I'm not an admin, but I am flatterred that you think I would pass. :) Basketball  110  21:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear that. A lot of people though, do not take my name seriously.  Is it OK if I nominate you at RfA?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just hold on a minute, I've got to tell someone about this, and I'll be right back with an answer. :) Basketball  110  21:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Who do you have to tell?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Master of Puppets... had to ask his advice, for I'm not too sure. I'll have an answer soon. Anyhow, I'm willing and ready to nominate you... Basketball  110  21:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll co-nom if you like. :)  K im  u  21:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is Milk's Favorite Cookie an admin?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, but about 15 people will be co-nom-ing him soon. Basketball  110  21:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean 16 ... you can add me to the list!  Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)



Basketball 110  has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{subst:GivePie}} to their talk page with a friendly message. I am minutes away from deciding. Stand by for more. Basketball 110  22:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so very much for offering to nominate me for adminship, but I will have to decline. I will look for adminship in the future though, maybe a month or two. Cheers and I'm ready to nominate you, Basketball  110  22:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you seen this? I would still support you, but I'm afraid to say that a lot of other people wouldn't. It would be close. Basketball  110  22:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * REMEMBER: I WOULD STILL SUPPORT YOU. I still think you would make a good admin. Basketball  110  22:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is yours. Would you like me to make a userbox for the nerd cabal? Basketball  110  22:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I wasn't responding for a while...I was away. Yes, please go ahead and make a userbox for the nerd cabal.  With the RfA, I think I want to get some more edits in the mainspace before I apply.  Personally, I think I could handle it and I know enough about Wikipedia policy, but others wouldn't know that.  Looked at the RfA page and saw an editor who had about my amount of edits, and it is a very close race.  Sorry to hear you won't be applying, but let me know if you ever will.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I know you'll make a great admin, and I look forward to nominating you in the future. Basketball  110  23:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * When do you plan to send out the next Homeschooling Project newsletter? Basketball  110  23:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably Early April. Did you get the userbox ready?   Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have any colors in mind for the userbox? Basketball  110  23:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not really.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How is that? Basketball  110  23:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good for now. Gotta go now, though.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good for now. Gotta go now, though.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Eagles project

 * Another for Mr. Potato Head. Basketball  110  21:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Stormtracker94 has asked to join the cabal. Basketball  110  23:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Mr. Potato Head Cabal will begin a monthly contest called the Random article contest. For more details, click here. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 19:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck (as if you need it)! I envy your article. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 19:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't tell anyone, but I went through a couple before getting to one I was ok with.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd probably join the project if I wasn't going to be the only member.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Eagles has 3 members. Also, I hope you don't mind me doing this. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 21:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How often do you archive your talk page? Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 22:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Once every couple of months. Also, I think its funny that I got that article (after a few clicks) because I had previously contributed to Harris Lake (disambiguation), and the article on Harris Lake in NC.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's fine. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 14:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I say we duplicate it, or temporarily merge the cabals. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 16:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I say we duplicate it, or temporarily merge the cabals. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 16:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

See the random article contest comments page for more. Basketball 110  Go Longhorns! 17:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:Alternative Education
Ive written a draft proposal, its pretty short, but seems to sum up the thoughts of everyone. . Thanks. Twenty Years 17:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed my comment from mainspace. Transferred it to userspace User:Twenty Years/Proposal, Can you add your proposal there, and we discuss both and come up with one? Twenty Years 17:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just added mine to the talk page. It includes most of the stuff that yours did.  If you support it completely, then say so there.  If not, feel free to remove it, and move it to your subpage, where we can together come to a conclusion.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It sounds fine to me. My only issue with it, is that nothing is mentioned about an Alternative Education taskforce. Thoughts? Twenty Years 17:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Id also like to have WP:Schools removed from the links, so that #1 would read:
 * A notice will be placed at the WikiProject Alternative Education page saying it is no longer active, and it will have links to WP Education, and WP Homeschooling
 * Thoughts? Twenty Years 17:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Arkansas notification
Diligent Terrier,

This is just a reminder to let you know what Arkansas was selected as collaboration of the month for March. As a Wikiproject Arkansas member, we suggest you try to improve and/or expand the article. Please contact ArkansasTraveler, Chetblong, or Basketball110 Thanks, -  Newsletter Bot   Talk  21:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC) The above message was delivered by Newsletterbot because your name was on this list If you would not like to recieve any more notifications, please add your name here

WP:OWN and other issues
There seem to be some chronic issues with regards to your conduct regarding the Homeschooling project. For a project with 64 articles, none beyond B status, there is a tremendous amount of real or attempted bureaucracy being imposed, and your attempts to assert your contributions over and above those of other participants and of Wikipedians generally in this area is unacceptable. It may indeed seem somewhat ironic to the outside observer that your attempts to shut down a rival project actually inspired a revival in that project's fortunes - like others have said, there is no reason why the two projects cannot coexist peacefully. In addition, your canvassing attempts with regard to your own proposal (to the extent of telling people which box to "tick") on the Alternative Education talk page actually reduced your buying power with the audience.

Another thing - do not relocate talk pages to some obscure location that you wish others to find - that avoids scrutiny and puts up barriers to participation. Just because some other non-compliant project does it does not mean we all should - look for example at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australia (44,000 articles), Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history (64,000 articles), Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California (14,000 articles), Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television (8,500 articles) and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canada (21,000 articles), none of which have seen fit to break talk page guidelines in such a way.

I would warn you that, especially given you have already been approached by others on these matters above on your talk page, your behaviour on these matters could be seen as tending disruptive, and that should you not behave in a more cooperative manner and one in line with policies and guidelines, there will be few choices available to us as far as how to handle this situation. I see that you have argued above with other users (including User:Lar, a user for whom I have the highest of respect and who is a bureaucrat, steward and checkuser on en.wikipedia) on similar issues - I suggest strongly that you take what they are saying on board. Orderinchaos 15:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Add to that that removing comments critical of your stance on a project talk page in mid-discussion is highly irregular. See WP:TALK which specifically says: "As a rule, do not edit others' comments, including signatures.". Orderinchaos 15:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I never removed them; I just moved one comment down below the discussion section where it belonged.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 15:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As the diff above clearly shows, you moved one comment by Burner supporting your stance, removed one heading, added three headings and removed two comments by Twenty Years. Orderinchaos 15:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Its really quite sad that you have gone from actively working with me, to then blaitantly removing my comments from a discussion (without any reasoning), and then downright failing to own up to your mistake. This is just poor form. Disappointing. Twenty Years 15:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but what I see is that I removed the "votes" header (because it was not a vote - it was a consensus), I moved Burner's comment under the support section where it belonged, moved Twenty Years' comment under the discussion section where it belonged, and I added the discussion header. That was really the way I set it up until someone added the votes header and removed the other three.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 15:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright...just looked at it again, and noticed that I had actually deleted Twenty Years' comment entirely. I promise that at the time I meant to paste it back in there, but I think that was when I added the Discussion header, and went to copy & pasting something else.  I'm very sorry, and again, I did not mean to remove the comment from a talk page (something that I never do unless it is blatant vandalism or spam).  Please accept my apology and let's work together again!   Diligent Terrier  and friends 15:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (reduce indent) Accepted. Forward we go. Twenty Years 16:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, do you think you can help out with the Collaboration of the Month?  Diligent Terrier  and friends 15:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, ill give it a shot. My major wiki contributions are in administration of wikiprojects, that is - article assessment, tagging and category changes. But, im more than willing to write articles when theyre needed. Thanks for the offer. Twenty Years 16:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe when you get a chance you can look over my assessments for the homeschooling project...when you get a chance, that is. Posted links on the talk page...well, you probably know.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * As a measure of good faith, I managed to fix your talk page. I'm glad that collaboration appears to be the way forward with this, as evidenced by the conversation above. Orderinchaos 16:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing the page! How did it happen?  I'm also glad that collaboration appears to be the way forward with this; for a while I was starting forget what WikiProjects were about!    Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Your homepage formatting relied on a  tag but the liitle box thingo contained one too many   which closed off your formatting rather than the internal formatting of the little box. Hope that makes sense. :) Orderinchaos 17:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thought it was something like one too many  tags, but looked for it and couldn't find them.  Well thanks!   Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Project Founder
When you reverted my edits on here (diff of 2revisions) you seemed to have added back the Founder part next to your name, I dont like it, and I personally dont use it on projects ive started (eg. WP:EIA). Im going to remove the bolding, and hopefully that will be the end of the issue. Please notify me next time if you have any issue with my edits. Thanks. Twenty Years 16:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds great. I'm not looking for power or anything like that - just want people to know I'm the founder in case they have some sort of question on the way I set up the templates, etc.  It is something that many WikiProjects do, take a look at them or see WikiProject  Council.  Glad to hear you've accepted my apology.  Let's get that Homeschooling article to GA status!    Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Excessive tagging
I'm not entirely sure that you're even reading the articles you're adding the Homeschooling banner to. At least two three seven were not homeschooled and most of them were educated well before the institutionalisation of comprehensive schooling as a practice in the 1840s-1870s or thereabouts. I'd suggest stopping and thinking about the scope of the project before proceeding further - we had to do this over at Western Australia as a lot of stuff peripherally involved WA which was not, however, within our scope. Orderinchaos 16:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, some of them were homeschooled for just a few years before going to school, I believe.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, it's too late you've already reverted them all.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say that in the articles - I read each of them before reverting (at least one received no education at all while others went to school and seemingly did quite well...) The three which were home-schooled I left in. I made a big assumption that the scope of the project is to include every person who ever got home schooled who has an article on Wikipedia in keeping those three in, but I'd again suggest you need to consider what your scope is and what the project is trying to achieve. By this I mean that the fact they were home schooled takes up one bit of one line to at most a four-line paragraph in a massive article in most cases. As WikiProjects' main purposes are to develop or to encourage development, I don't see exactly what WP Homeschooling could do for any of the articles which have been added tonight. Orderinchaos 17:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I had assessed them at low importance. Some like Abe Lincoln were homeschooled for a short time, although it may not say it in the article.   Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * History is kind of important here (I should disclose I myself am a fully-qualified educator btw)... before a certain point in history all rich people had tutors or were effectively "home-schooled", but this was done within a framework very different to today and at a time when people could specialise in certain fields and know nothing of the rest of the world. The alternate method (which was mentioned in at least one case) was the "classical education" consisting of the Trivium and the Quadrivium (essentially teaching people how to think, reason and perceive). I've seen modern country schools which work along similar lines, due to class sizes - although of course what they teach is the modern education curriculum. Those who were less advantaged had really few options, most of them ended up working down a mine or in a mill or whatever brought in money for their family, the few who were lucky to learn anything were definitely not "schooled" in any sense, merely somewhat self-taught through a natural intelligence or perception. Eventually society decided that this was not the way to manage things and comprehensive schooling - initially on almost military lines with very poor standards, which improved to about 1900 to something not unlike the system we have today - was introduced and compulsory schooling laws (initially only for primary, extended later) were enacted. Home-schooling was a reaction to this movement (i.e. a counter-movement) much as Montessori and other systems started to emerge. Therefore, discussion of "alternative education" or "homeschooling" must rest within a notion that there was a paradigm of comprehensive education which had been rejected. At various of the times these people lived, the notion of educating people en masse in buildings in a wide variety of subjects would have seemed fanciful rubbish. Orderinchaos 17:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point.  Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism revert
I never ask for barnstars, still haven't displayed the ones I've earned in a prominent place for display, but if you want to add another to my showcase, feel free. I'm sure there's room :) -- Longhair\talk 23:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

✅ - Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks... it's my first RickK. Appreciated :) -- Longhair\talk 00:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Just changed the title...like it? - Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The effect is still the same. It's your right to call it what you will... I'm beginning to feel guilty with these plastered all over my archives. I must dig them out and get organised... :) -- Longhair\talk 00:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe I can start a new trend with that name. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, can you sign my autograph book? - Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, this is definitely the same person refreshing their IP address with all this vandalism. Can we do a range block?  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 00:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really, cuz that would block a lot of good IP's too.  K im  u  00:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Our cabals
Could you watch my cabal, and take "care" of cabal things while I'm gone? Basketball 110  Go Longhorns! 17:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be delighted to. Where are you going on vacation?  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Galapagos Islands. Good job on the contest moving. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 17:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're lucky. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 17:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm leaving about right now. Say goodbye to the cabalites for me! Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 17:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you flying over there? - Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Admin coaching
Sure, I'd like to. To start, if you want, you can create a user subpage where we can go over everything, keep all of the comments, etc.   jj137   (talk)  20:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hi again. I just want to be friends. Please stop picking on me. I'm only 12. I would like to have a nice experience on Wikipedia because it is more mature than those other stupid websites. Once again I want to be friends, I never meant to insult you or any others and well...just... Happy editing!! -- C a r er ra carerra 20:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Logo
Sorry, that is the tightest I can get it. What is it exactly you are trying to do? Thanks, -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  21:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Jack/ABs
Can I ask why you did that to my autograph book collection? Jack ?! 18:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It does not display correctly the other way; the text runs together. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's fine for me. I've changed it a little. Please don't forget this is a subpage of mine; I found it kind of rude when you changed it to make it better for yourself. Jack ?! 13:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

StatusBot
It has been. If you are talking about my status, well, I just forget to update it sometimes.  jj137  (talk)  20:58, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, OK, can we start with the admin coaching at User:Diligent Terrier/Admin Coaching ? - Diligent Terrier  and friends 21:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Nerd Cabal template
I've already made the code for one. I now need your permission to put it here. -- Einstei  N  ewton  01:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! You have my permission.  Thanks!  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 12:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Red Sox?
And if you join: I really hope you join!-- RyRy5   talk  02:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Homeschooling legality Map
I jest read that you are making this map. I have already started and a draft is here. Image:Homschool Legality-World.svg Sorry for the inconvenience. Zginder(talk) (Contrib) 15:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
Hi, and welcome to the Red Sox WikiProject! We are a group of (mainly) Red Sox fans who help to improve coverage related to the Boston Red Sox on Wikipedia.

Looking for somewhere to start? Here are a few suggestions.
 * You can check out topics on the main page.
 * You can add WikiProject Boston Red Sox to talk pages of Boston Red Sox-related articles, and assess them as well.
 * Check out the to do list for the WikiProject, and opt to try and complete some of those tasks.

If you have any comments, suggestions, or would like to talk about the project in general, feel free to leave a message on the talk page. -- RyRy5   talk  15:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Editing images with an external browser
Can someone give very basic instructions on how to edit images using an external browser. I have been to all the help pages, and I can't understand them. Thanks! - Diligent Terrier and friends 16:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There should be a button that says "edit in external editor" on the image's page, unless that was changed.  Jon athan  16:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried that, but the help page looks like I have to install something. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply
You can just use Paint - it should already be installed. -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  16:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * But how do I re-upload it to an existing image? - Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * On the image it should say "Upload a new version of this file" -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  17:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What I would like to know is how to do this. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't help you with that. (I really don't know - I will take a look, though) Sorry! -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  18:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

re:Hello
Nothing much. And OK, just let me know when you are ready and I'll nominate you. BTW, before you decide to have a RfA, you might want to consider WP:Admin Coaching.  K im  u  17:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not sure if you noticed, but several comments up from here User:Jj137 offered to admin coach me. I think we'll be starting soon.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool.  K im  u  19:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Shortcuts to user page
I nominated three of your redirects for deletion on WP:RFD. They would have fallen under R2 up until a couple months ago, when WP: became an alias for the wikipedia namespace. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 17:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle
According to WP:TWINKLE, the script is to be used to assist them [wikipedia users] in common Wikipedia maintenance tasks and to help them deal with acts of vandalism, I fail to see how this, this, or this falls into maintenance or vandalism. To say that reverting a highly respected administrator, without any prior discussion, is any form of maintenance is downright wrong. I think you owe OIC, at the least, an apology. Twenty Years 17:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've commented on all this at WP:RFD. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You have actually not commented on your use of the Twinkle script at the RfD or apologised to OIC. This may be a minor misuse of the tool, but continued abuse of the tool, can result in you being "de-twinkled". Twenty Years 08:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Upon further inspection of your use of twinkle, i have found this diff by User:76.98.204.203, which you claim is Blaitant vandalism. It is hardly vandalism, the edit certainly did not add anything to the article, but that doesnt constitute vandalism. Not only did you incorrectly label their contribution, but you placed two user-warning tags on their talk page, when theyve only ever made one edit to wikipedia. Continued mis-use of the twinkle script may result in you being "de-twinkled". Thanks. Twenty Years 08:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Further investigation of your reverts on wikipedia, led me to this this, whereby you reverted a user who removed a warning by a user and added content to his talk page. According to WP:TALK, this user is free to delete comments from his talk page:
 * Users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages, though archiving is preferred. They may also remove some content in archiving. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user.

You not only reverted his edit to his own talk page, but you then went ahead and added a user warning template, which according to the above, is downright wrong. It may be worth noting that after your warning on his talk page, he never returned, wikipedia relies on volunteers, and new editors should be made more than welcome, rather than being treated like he has. May i suggest that you remove the warning on his talk page and apologise. Your poor use of editing scripts is causing much concern to me, and some administrators, and you may wish to review your use. Thanks. Twenty Years 08:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In this case, the user changed what the comment said and left the signature at the end. That is wrong.  Yes, you can remove notices from your talk page, but when you edit others comments, leaving their signature at the end, even if it is on their talk page, that is considered vandalism.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So removing all of the other content the user added in that edit was also nescessary? Thats bollocks and you know it. Fix up your edit. It may be interesting to note that since you arrived on his talk page, he hasnt made another edit, wikipedia relies on volunteers, and youve possibly played your part in ensuring they wont return. Thats just poor form, and an apology is in order. Twenty Years 03:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See also User_talk:76.98.204.203 - was it necessary to add two warnings at the same time for one edit? The edit doesn't seem to be vandalism, just seems to be someone who misunderstands the trivia guideline. (A quick check of google reveals there is indeed an emo band called Pencey Prep who had a song called "Secret Goldfish"). Orderinchaos 21:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and looking back, I'm not really sure why I added that "Blatant Vandalism" warning. I think I was getting that confused with another vandal I was warning around the same time.  I'll have to check.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 22:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Whilst it is good that you have addressed one of my concerns on this page, there are still two more which have been left unadressed yourself. If you arent going to address them, i may request that you are "de-twinkled", and that your monobook.js is protected. Continued abuse of the tool will result in you being de-twinkled. Thanks. Twenty Years 03:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What two concerns have I not addressed? - Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (reduce indent) The concerns about your use of the script in reverting (just under the heading). You havent re-added the content from that IP-users talk page that you removed. My major concern is your use of the script in reverting, so ill let everything else slide, if you look address the concern below (which is copied from the above discussions: Twenty Years 04:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Misuse

 * (copied from above discussion)

According to WP:TWINKLE, the script is to be used to assist them [wikipedia users] in common Wikipedia maintenance tasks and to help them deal with acts of vandalism, I fail to see how this, this, or this falls into maintenance or vandalism. To say that reverting a highly respected administrator, without any prior discussion, is any form of maintenance is downright wrong. I think you owe OIC, at the least, an apology. Twenty Years 17:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've commented on all this at WP:RFD. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You have actually not commented on your use of the Twinkle script at the RfD or apologised to OIC. This may be a minor misuse of the tool, but continued abuse of the tool, can result in you being "de-twinkled". Twenty Years 08:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

You seem intent on not addressing the issue here. Ill let this issue go for now, but further misuse of the twinkle script, and I will take it further. Happy editing. Twenty Years 16:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Removal of content
I note in your edit here, you informed another user that OIC considered the edit by RC-0722 as vandalism, and then went on to say, that it was nowhere near vandalism. On wikipedia, we assume good faith when dealing with other contributors. You also left a message on his talk page "Warning him", for what? following wikipedia policy? Your downright poor knowledge of policy and continued misuse of scripts and user warning template is a major concern to myself, and is something you may wish to address. Twenty Years 04:06, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Interesting
As a member WikiProject Homeschooling, I thought you might want to look at this.  K im  u  16:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See my comments at Elisa's talk page. User talk pages, it should be noted, are not owned by the user they pertain to, but by the community as a whole - while some things are considered differently as against other namespaces, others are not. The matter is resolved anyway - I talked to the user concerned and a way forward for the Homeschooling project was discussed. I would suggest that dropping the highly aggressive attitude would be a good start - I note Twenty Years's comments to you with regard to WP:BITE. Orderinchaos 21:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Council roll call
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Delayed reply
Yes, I did fly there. Once I was there, I took buses and boats, though. Basketball 110  Go Longhorns! 22:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You know the invitation template you made for the Nerd Cabal? Could you make one of those for the Mr. Potato Head Cabal? Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 22:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was originally going to make it but Einsteinewton volunteered to instead, because he had already made the code. I'd be happy to make one for you.  Won't have it immediately, though.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 23:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. See this. It needs a name, though. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 00:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Twenty Years asked for a newsletter. I'll get that to him soon. About the e-mail... that's gonna be hard seeing as I don't have e-mail. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 18:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why don't you get one? - Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)



Basketball 110  Go Longhorns! has given you a WikiCake! WikiCakes promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cake, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{subst:GiveCake}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Because I like little orange bars. Too much spam and stuff. Much rather have Wikipedia. If you can't say it on Wikipedia, don't say it at all. What do you think of my cake? I created the template. Basketball 110  Go Longhorns! 19:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice cake. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 19:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I found the pic, and decided to create the temp. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 19:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

You could crop it a little more, though. - Diligent Terrier and friends 19:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not my image. But it's possible... right? I would have to save it then crop and re-save, and upload again, right? Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 19:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess. Are you aware of this?  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You just made me aware. I'll take a closer look. I made this for the MPH Cabal. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 20:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Should we alert the other members who have been using these shortcuts all along? - Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. If they use it, we should. Are you going to do that? Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 20:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm actually busy with something else at the moment. Can you do it?   - Diligent Terrier  and friends 20:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Did you look at the FIO? Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 20:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been accused of canvassing at the link that you gave me, about the redirect deletion. Basketball  110  Go Longhorns! 20:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

There are more cabal hosted fun and games at User:Basketball110/Mr. Potato Head Cabal/FIO. Basketball 110  Go Longhorns! 23:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure! I'll get right to that. Basketball  110  (talk) 15:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! - Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find a better image. I'll keep it in userspace until it's ready to be released. Basketball  110  (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)



Basketball 110  (talk) has given you a balloons! Balloons are meant to uplift the morale of people with an illness, and has hopefully made your day a little better. Spread good health by giving someone else who is a bit ill a balloon.

Spread the good health by adding {{subst:Balloons}} to their talk page with a friendly message. You are the first recipient. Feedback here. Basketball 110  (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

March 2008?
Where did I not assume good faith? There is also an established precedent against template established users, you may wish to read WP:DTTR. Twenty Years 16:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You can look all through my archives, and see where you did not assume good faith. I know about DTTR, but my custom message would have said almost exactly the same thing.  - Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am also concerned as I witness your uncivil complaints to an established and experienced user (over something that does not concern you at all). - Diligent Terrier  and friends 16:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide some diffs of where i did not assume good faith? Twenty Years 17:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Look all through my archive. - Diligent Terrier  and friends 17:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ive done that and found not a single comment that violates any part/whole of WP:AGF or WP:CIVIL. Can you please direct me to any examples? Twenty Years 17:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Who were my "uncivil" comments to? Twenty Years 17:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edit to my user talk page on the grounds of WP:DTTR and that the claims are baseless. I will not respond to any further comments regarding this. Any further comments can be directed to the administrators noticeboard. Cheers. Twenty Years 17:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * DT, if someone reverts your warnings/notices, we are supposed to assume that they have read them. TY, I'm not sure if you did or didn't, but I know where you didn't assume good faith.  K im  u  18:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Saying "you know" where i didnt AGF is just not good enough, you need to cite examples. Seems to stink or OR. Twenty Years 05:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, here are just a few quotes from you. I can find more if you want.

"Your downright poor knowledge of policy and continued misuse of scripts and user warning template is a major concern to myself, and is something you may wish to address."

"So removing all of the other content the user added in that edit was also nescessary? Thats bollocks and you know it. Fix up your edit."

"It may be interesting to note that since you arrived on his talk page, he hasnt made another edit, wikipedia relies on volunteers, and youve possibly played your part in ensuring they wont return. Thats just poor form, and an apology is in order." Also, upon your very first complaint you were asking for an apology: "According to WP:TWINKLE, the script is to be used to assist them [wikipedia users] in common Wikipedia maintenance tasks and to help them deal with acts of vandalism, I fail to see how this, this, or this falls into maintenance or vandalism. To say that reverting a highly respected administrator, without any prior discussion, is any form of maintenance is downright wrong. I think you owe OIC, at the least, an apology." That is not assuming good faith. - Diligent Terrier and friends 18:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC) OK, What is baffling to me is: This is just a petty childish debate. I will not return to participate in this discussion. Twenty Years 05:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Saying someone has misused a script is somehow uncivil or not assuming good faith?
 * Saying that an editor hasnt returned after your comments on his talk page is not uncivil or not AGF, its just simply stating a fact.
 * Expecting an apology may be a bit too far for you, but in my standards apologising when you "mess up" is the right thing to do, take that as you see it. But that isnt being uncivil or not AGF.


 * I must say I'm not actually seeing "bad faith" in the above - I think you're possibly misconstruing legitimate, valid criticism of your actions in an at times robust style as being some form of abuse. Regarding 1.1 - there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. 1.2 - could maybe have used more calm language, but the point is there. 1.3 - he's actually correct, that's a WP:BITE issue. 2 - again correct. He has apologised himself when he's done wrong in times past, so he expects it from others - people in this thing have a wide variety of styles and attitudes and I'm fairly sure if you were to put 5 randomly selected active Wikipedians in a town hall somewhere they wouldn't agree on anything. But we can at least agree to get on, and to abide by policy.


 * Additionally, you said you "witnessed" (not experienced, so TY got confused as he assumed you meant it was to someone other than yourself) complaints against an "established and experienced user" and "over something that does not concern [Twenty Years] at all" - it does concern the community to manage behaviour which does not build or enhance the community, that's why anyone from the newest user up can give warnings. Indeed, your behaviour and knowledge/application of policy does concern and has concerned me from time to time, especially regarding misuse of anti-vandalism scripts against newbies and your at times aggressive approach to handling situations. Note how quickly Kimu and I went from a warning situation to one where we were actually chatting constructively.


 * Also, I think it's fair to say our opinion of what constitutes "established and experienced" does differ. I'm not meaning to suggest you are otherwise qualified, but when you assert it in public, realise how it may be taken by those for whom the above assertion may appear somewhat like chest-beating (especially given your relatively short duration on the project and the number of issues which have arisen). A bit of humility and deference to the work of others goes a long way, and may well help you in learning what is needed to become what you desire to be. When I was about your duration on the project, I was involved in solid content-building work, deferred frequently to those in my project whom I respected for their abilities (I'm sure at least one of them got thoroughly sick of me), and learned a lot from them. I became an admin in an unopposed RFA just 3 months later (i.e. 11 months in) without ever having had to ask or approach anybody for support. My work in content-building and my even manner were cited by many as grounds for support. Worthy of thinking about. Orderinchaos 20:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

That not just not assuming good faith, that downright 'uncivil!  K im  u  18:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Check your E-mail, I just sent you a very funny joke.  K im  u  18:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Cabals
I created 2 new cabals. I created the Cool Cabal and the UserSpace Cabal. Feel free to take the userboxes. Also, I added an image to your nerd cabal.-- RyRy5   talk  16:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Images (Village pump)
Hi. In User:Diligent Terrier/Image Link you use ; but since you use the size variable with "px", it becomes 45pxpx, which now results in full size images, too large for your div. HTH – Leo Laursen – ☏ ⌘ 22:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

WP Homeschooling Sidebar
Hey, noticed you reverted my edits there. Can we please discuss it on the talk page, BEFORE reverting each other. see Template talk:WikiProject Homeschooling Sidebar, ive been waiting for your reply there for several days. Its generally a good idea to talk about things on the talk pages where reverting is happening, not just leaving a note in your edit summary. Thanks. Twenty Years 06:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Homeschooling
In an effort to help get this project off the ground, ive made some suggestions at the project talk page. Id like to see what you think. here is the link to the discussion. Thanks. Twenty Years 07:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration
Might be worth leaving a note at the talk pages of WikiProject Education and Alternative Education as to the collaboration of the month, and the article will most probably within the scope of both projects, and the users there may be able to help. Cheers. Twenty Years 18:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

AN/I Thread
Ive left a message on AN/I here basically saying that the dispute is over. Would you mind seconding that, if you agree with my comment at the bottom. Thanks. Twenty Years 18:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, agreed. Taking a relatively minor issue too far. Got us both side-tracked from assisting at WP:WPHS in a crucial stage in its development. Thanks. Twenty Years 18:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thought as much :) Twenty Years 18:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (reduce indent) Was wondering if you could write a message on AN/I agreeing with what ive said on there? Thanks Twenty Years 18:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Diligent Terrier  and friends 18:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)



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Might see what the Nerd Cabal has to say about it =D Although i will now be sleeeeping. Must attend work in 6 hours :( Twenty Years 18:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Franklin Tailgate Market
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MfD nomination of User:Diligent Terrier/Nerd Cabal
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MfD nomination of User:Diligent Terrier/Smiley Cabal
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Our Alliance
Our cabal alliance has been nominated for deletion! Except for the 42nd cabal unless they hit there next. I'm very sorry for all the work you and the alliance has done.-- RyRy5   talk  22:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The balloons may need a different image, but User:Basketball110/Get Well Soon! is pretty ready.  Basketball  110  01:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Did you hear about the naming of the alliance? From now on, any new wannabe cabal members will have to see the talk page, now that we have an official name!  Basketball  110  18:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Diligent Terrier, I will put you in charge of write the first newsletter for the cabal. If you need any help, contact me. Don't forget to link it to the cabal page. Is that okay with you?  Basketball  110  18:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, I got a real good laugh out of the AN/I post and the comment Carl made about a news reporting not taking "Diligent Terrier seriously" :) - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 19:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoa! Do you mind if I used that on my Funny page?  Basketball  110  19:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Did you ever see it?  - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 19:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we just do a newsletter for the whole alliance? - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 22:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The nerd cabal is approved now - did you notice? - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 22:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do the newsletter, yes. And I did notice the approval... I think it's a joke, am I correct?  Basketball  110  22:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A joke? Not at all.  - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 22:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Then chances are I need approval for my cabals too, correct?  Basketball  110  22:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I could sell my license to the Mr. Potato Head Cabal and close the nerd cabal. - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 22:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A cabal merge? Is there another way? And I've also got the Giant Panda cabal.  Basketball  110  23:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said I will sell my license, maybe for 200 "Potato Points". - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 16:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry... you can redeem points for approval, though. And when I directed Nothing444 to your cabal page, I didn't mean one of your cabals. 'Basketball110'  Talk  00:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
...for reverting vandalism on my userpage. Regards. Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 02:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome.  - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 18:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Noticed you were also trying to use the Smile template. That template must be SUBST'ed; that is why it didn't work for you.  - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 18:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply
It was snowballed, which was pretty funny. Everyone kept supporting it.-- RyRy5   talk  18:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and it really happened overnight, too. I want to ask the guy why he nominated them.  - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 18:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Also, I think 3 teachers is good for now. Sorry, but I'm trying to slow the program down.-- RyRy5   talk  18:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I understand. Hey, and what's with comments like this (link)?  :)  I mean like, why did you say the nerd cabal has nothing to do?  - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 18:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was trying to protect the cabal, in a way. It's hard to explain.-- RyRy5   talk  19:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

- Diligent Terrier (and friends) 19:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

National treasure
Yeah! It's supposed to involve page 47 from the presidents secret book. Cool huh?  K im  u  22:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So they are going to make a third one? - Diligent Terrier  (and friends) 22:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I heard.-- RyRy5   talk  22:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

smiley cabal
I've applied for membership.:) I was wondering- is there a userbox or category we can add ourselves to, and if not, shall we make one?  special, random,  Merkinsmum  00:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Adoption
Hey there, well, the adoption thing wouldn't be a first for me :) Last year was such a happy year for me and my dad.... anyway, I would be very happy to be adopted by you

Ben —Preceding unsigned comment added by BenjaminTeague123456 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Adoption
I would be happy to!

BenjaminTeague123456 (talk) 13:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, Diligent Terrier. I have noticed you are a cabal creator, so I think I should sho you this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nothing444 (talk • contribs) 21:06 March 30, 2008

Sprite Cabal
Hi, would you like to join my cabal? -- Einstei  N  ewton  16:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just posting again in case you missed this. -- Einstei  N  ewton  22:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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I'm back!
I'm back! What's new?  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  22:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

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Doggy Cabal
 Not hing 4 44  01:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: sig
thanks, i like urs too : P elisa talk. 13:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The nerd guy
Yeah riley's the nerd guy.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  16:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. I've got a class in five tho and have to go now.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  16:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)