User talk:Vanished user 456745753784/National Anthems Project

Amen! Glad *someone* is posting these guidelines! I can probably add to those, but don't have the time, sadly. I'll do what I can, though. --Canuckguy 07:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's alright, it is just a work in progress. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:27, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey so we aren't the only guys interested in this... good! -Hmib 02:46, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

If you see my page, you'll see I'm new to Wikipedia, but not new to anthems, I run a rather comprehensive website on anthems and anthem information. I was wondering, however, maybe we should create a stub template for use on such anthem articles that don't live up to these standards, that would be easier to see and maybe help encourage people to edit the pages. Sadly, my time is extremely tight lately (fine time to get addicted to Wikipedia!), so I can't do as much as I'd really like to in this project (if I had more time on this, I'd be all over this like white on bread!) but I'll help in any way possible! --Canuckguy 01:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Great idea! I'll get started right away. -Hmib 02:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * OK done. . Feel free to add a picture. So now, should we just use this template on all the anthems that need work, then post a short message on their talkpages briefly stating what kinds of improvement they need? -Hmib 03:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Liberal vs Literal
Which type of translation should we use? Sometimes both kinds are available, sometimes only one. Should we decide on one specific type to use?

Literal translations are closer to the original meanings, but due to intricacies in language they might not sound right. Liberal translations on the other hand are easier to understand, are sometimes even singable, but will not have the same degree of accuracy as literal ones.

Thoughts? -Hmib 03:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Go to Wikisource to do your translations of lyrics. That's what it's there for.  Wikipedia, in contrast, is not a repository of primary source texts.  There are already poems, song lyrics, and other source texts on Wikisource that have been translated into multiple languages.  Wikisource welcomes more editors who wish to do more of the same. Uncle G 00:57:28, 2005-08-22 (UTC)

Source texts belong on Wikisource
Four of these guidelines, pertaining to including the actual texts of the national anthems (with translations into other languages) directly in the encycyclopaedia articles, are wrong. Consensus is that lyrics to songs, national anthems or otherwise, should be on Wikisource, and that Wikpedia is not Project Gutenberg. Lyrics in languages other than English are especially frowned upon. Wikisource has a respository of national anthems. Consensus is that rather than including the lyrics, songs (where the lyrics are public domain) should have Uncle G 00:57:28, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
 * encyclopaedia articles on Wikipedia without massive dumps of lyrics,
 * the lyrics on Wikisource, and
 * interwiki links joining the two.
 * Fine. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Not so fast. What consensus? By whom? On Don't include copies of primary sources it states clearly that Pages on national anthems should contain the lyrics. Until this guideline has been overturned there is no reason to conform to your so-called concensus. -Hmib 02:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Follow the hyperlink that's right there on the word "consensus". This is the now fourth time that I've pointed you to that discussion. Uncle G 02:50:26, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
 * This is also the fourth time I've pointed you to: Pages on national anthems should contain the lyrics. -Hmib 03:13, 22 August 2005 (UTC)