User talk:Vantyl

Inclusion of Vanessa Tyler in WHIO-TV
Hi. Sorry to keep reverting you. The consensus practice in Wikipedia TV station articles is to only include past personalities who have their own articles; and Wikipedia guidelines are to only have articles for so-called "notable" individuals. Even Don Wayne was once included in the WHIO-TV article, but that reference was later removed by the "Wikipedia police". Since so many in the general public ask "where are they now?" type questions, I personally would support changing the guidelines. But changing people's minds in Wikipedia can be a long, hard slog...

If you want, read the notability link ("notable" in quotes). If you feel that Vanessa Tyler meets the guidelines, you could go ahead and create an article about her including her bio, and link to that article from each of the relevant TV station articles. A "Vanessa Tyler" article might be left alone, or it might end up being challenged; it all depends on who's busy patrolling Wikipedia and how strongly they feel that their view on article content is correct... Good luck with that.

By the way, if this is the real Vanessa Tyler, I remember that I always enjoyed your newscasts here in Dayton. So it's nothing personal. Sorry again. Take care. --Chaswmsday (talk) 22:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * HI, YES it is me. Thank your for watching my newscasts.  I found an article in the Dayton Daily News archives.(pasted below) Would this satisfy the requirements.


 * Past Articles


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 * WEEKEND ANCHOR LEAVES WHIO-TV
 * BYLINE:   Bob Batz
 * DATE: October 18, 1997
 * PUBLICATION: Dayton Daily News (OH)
 * EDITION: CITY
 * SECTION: LIFESTYLE: WEEKEND
 * PAGE: 3C
 * COLUMN: ON RADIO, TV
 * MEMO: * CONTACT Bob Batz at 225-2396 or by e-mail at bob_batz@coxohio.com
 * Sometimes a local TV personality departs and nobody notices. But when weekend news anchor Vanessa Tyler left WHIO-TV (Channel 7), viewers started asking why.
 * In the past week, I've received six phone calls and three letters from people wanting to know what happened to Tyler. Mary Murphy of Dayton, wrote: "Why did Vanessa Tyler leave Dayton? When the weather man was telling her it had been nice working with her and that she would be missed, she only smiled and didn't have anything to say. Is that the way she wanted to leave?"
 * Jennifer Rigby, news director at Channel 7, said Tyler's contract with the station expired.
 * "I wanted to renew the contract, but I needed a commitment from her, and she didn't give me one," Rigby said. "Vanessa was looking at a couple of job possibilities, but I haven't heard from her since she left, so I don't know what she is doing. I know she expressed an interest in moving closer to home, which is New York."
 * Tyler, who had been at Channel 7 since 1991 and co-hosted this year's Lou Rawls Parade of Stars Telethon, could not be reached for comment.
 * VanessaVantyl (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Vanessa!
 * Unfortunately, this citation would probably not be enough by itself. I have seen journalist articles which contain mini-resumes and list stations, regional Emmys, awards from professional/peer organizations, significant stories and the like. You would have to include reliable citations for any statements made. (Newspapers, magazines, station websites, etc. would be perfectly fine for that.) Sometimes these journalist articles are left alone, but sometimes those with too much time on their hands and, in my opinion, a ridiculously over-strict view of what's allowed to be included in Wikipedia, may challenge them. They seem to insist on individuals with national notoriety, but not consistently. It's kind of a crapshoot.
 * If you could supply a narrative with citations (the Jim Baldridge article is a good example), I'd be happy to help you set up your article. (Technically, Wikipedia frowns on anyone creating or editing an article where they themselves are a topic.)
 * Please be aware that I'm persona non grata with some on Wikipedia for the sin of trying to include former logos in TV station articles. Just sayin' :) --Chaswmsday (talk) 13:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Again,
 * I'm confused. What should I provide to show I'm a past anchor at WHIO-TV.  I thought the article from Dayton's Newspaper of record would suffice.  So please tell me what to provide.
 * Vanessa Vantyl (talk) 21:21, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * That's an interesting thought. I don't know if I've seen that done previously. I suspect that if your name were included in the WHIO-TV article, with the DDN citation/footnote, that it would still end up getting removed as "non-notable". I'll try that, and we'll see what happens.
 * A safer bet (although still not guaranteed) would be to create a "Vanessa Tyler" article in Wikipedia, showing a more complete bio, with the DDN citation backing up your anchoring at WHIO-TV and with similar citations backing up most other statements. Once that page is created, then each of the stations where you've worked could be edited to link to your article. That's ultimately what I would like to see done for all "in front of the camera" and possibly other journalists. --Chaswmsday (talk) 08:47, 9 June 2012 (UTC)