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Tech News: 2016-34
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

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AfC reviewing
Thanks for pitching in to reduce the Articles for Creation backlog. I noticed that you declined Draft:Goluguri Bapi Raju with the explanation "Please adhere to MoS guidelines." A better choice in that case would have been the "bio" decline - for a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines (only one source, www.gbrcolleges.com).

AfC's mandate is to accept articles that are likely to survive an AfD nomination, and articles are not deleted for failing to follow the Manual of Style. MOS problems is not one of the valid reasons in the AfC reviewing instructions to decline a draft. Indeed, articles can be promoted all the way to Good status without complying with the MOS. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It had no head no tail it didn't even look like an article looked like a data bank where you put whatever you find and then submit it. I know the instructions and probably my reason there was wrong but it nowhere looked like one to be accepted even if it was about Steve Jobs! I am nomore a reviewer as i don't meet the criteria yet  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 12:45, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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August 2016
is NOT a vandal. Please slow down and read the relevant policies and guidelines, you're creating more work for others cleaning up after you with your erroneous tagging and reports. - NQ (talk)  13:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok ok  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 13:25, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Picking a speedy deletion rationale
Hi Varun, I've noticed that you have been tagging articles with CSD templates. We all know that there are a lot of articles created that simply don't belong on Wikipedia, but I'd like to ask you to be more careful with your tagging, because in several cases you've used CSD templates that are not really appropriate for the article you've placed them on.
 * This is not patent nonsense. "Patent nonsense" means incoherent gibberish, text that makes no sense whatsoever (not including text in foreign languages or badly-written but understandable English), or random strings of characters (which is also often possible to tag as pure vandalism).
 * Here, you used the G8 tag "dependent page of a page which does not exist, has been deleted, or is itself currently tagged for speedy deletion". That can only be used for pages that could not actually exist without the other page, typically redirects to redlinks or speedy tagged pages. An article about a related subject is not "dependent on" the other page.
 * Here you placed both an A1 "very short" and an A3 "no content" tag - those are typically mutually exclusive, that is, if one of them is applicable, the other one won't be. Since there is some content on this page, it's not eligible for A3.
 * This article is promotional and (in my opinion) eligible for speedy deletion per G11 "unambiguous promotion", but it's not a test page.

I think all you need is a little more time to read and understand the deletion rationales, but for the moment it would be good if you slowed down a little. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 13:37, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help I'll make the correction both in my mind and articles.  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 13:39, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: (User talk:ais523) Edit counter
An automatically updating edit counter could probably only be implemented using a magic word (at least if you wanted everyone to be able to see it). I can't see a magic word that returns an edit count, so this is probably impossible.

(It would be possible to use a script to make it appear to your own view that an edit count was updating, but this would be pointless as nobody else would see the count update.) --ais523 17:41, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok Thank you! Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 17:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

RE: Template:Minsk Raion
Hi, I saw the deletion request and, btw, this is not a case of speedy deletion. This template, referred to the Raion, is not a duplicate of Minsk Region, referred to the Oblast. Even if there are several red links, they are allowed in this kind of navigational templates for municipalites and similar. It is a normal navbox for places by county/province/district, and not the only case of tmp for subdivision with several pages waiting for creation. Regards. --Dэя-Бøяg 18:56, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I'll explain better the templates: The places (red and blue) linked in the Minsk Raion are the municipalities of Minsk Raion (sort of "Minsk County"), one of the districts of Minsk Region (Oblast). The articles linked in the Minsk Region are the counties (raions) and the cities and towns with official city status (note: this is the standard form for any kind of template by Oblast in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine). Any of that raions has several municipalities and the ones linked here are only the ones of a single district on a total (for Minsk Oblast) of 22. Again, regards. --Dэя-Бøяg 19:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Now I get it Thanks  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 19:12, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :-) . --Dэя-Бøяg 21:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination
I have declined your speedy deletion nomination of Supply Network Collaboration, because the article does not satisfy any of the criteria you gave. I suggest you try WP:PROD or WP:AfD as ways of seeking deletion. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Please stop
Please stop making up policies in WP:PROD nominations. I've just declined a big stack of identical deletion nominations from you of articles on Moldovan football, citing WP:NSEASONS. You have clearly not bothered to read it before citing it, as it's very explicitly about the notability of individual teams not entire national leagues; if you feel we shouldn't be covering seasons in national leagues take it to AFD. &#8209; Iridescent 07:44, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I followed the advice that was given to me at the HElp Desk Will you please explain me what mistake I made  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 09:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * What part of our notability guidelines on the individual seasons of teams (my emphasis) do you think any of these articles on seasons of a national football league violate? Note before you answer that Wikipedia hosts articles on league seasons in competitions as obscure as the Sussex County Football League (a local league at the ninth level of the English football pyramid), the Filipino Men's Under-23 Championship and the Hong Kong Fourth Division. (Feel free to brows through Category:Association football seasons by competition or Category:Sports seasons by sport if you think I'm cherry-picking.) &#8209; Iridescent 19:18, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not at all (if you think I'm cherry-picking)! But tell me if every year an article is created with just the scorecard of the league season held that year doesn't it spam Wikipedia. WP:NSEASONS says "Wikipedia isn't a stats directory" then aren't these articles violating it? They just house the scorecard. Moreover if they have to be kept let's keep all score cards in 1 to 2 articles. More than 30 articles are acquired by these seasons itself and a cleanup is strictly required (I feel so). Can you please help me out on these? Thanks and Regards  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 12:02, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * For at least the third time, WP:NSEASONS is about the notability of the seasons of individual teams and has no relevance to articles on the seasons of a national football league. Just because you feel a topic is unimportant, doesn't mean Wikipedia feels the topic is unimportant, and certainly doesn't give you the right to request that the articles be deleted (not even merged but outright deleted). You're talking about national-level leagues in a European country with a fairly strong footballing tradition, not an obscure local amateur league in a minority-interest sport. If you seriously consider this "spam", then your opinions on what constitutes spam are so at odds with Wikipedia consensus that I strongly advise you to avoid any kind of patrolling work. I'll also echo the multiple other warnings you've received recently; while nobody doubts your good faith, you clearly have serious issues when it comes to understanding Wikipedia policies given how often you cite policies which don't say what you claim they say, or accuse people of "vandalism" for no apparent reason. While we extend a lot of good faith to new users learning to edit Wikipedia, not only do your incorrect warnings and advice potentially adversely affect other users, but your mistakes take a significant amount of other people's time to clean up—if you continue on this course, you will soon reach the point when people start to feel that you may need to be blocked to prevent further disruption. Find topics which interest you and write articles about them; Wikipedia maintenance tasks aren't as straightforward as they seem, and if you're not certain about how something should be done when it comes to a maintenance task you're probably not the one who should be doing that particular task. If you do ever nominate anything for deletion, cite the policy you feel applies, and actually read that policy and explain which part of it you feel applies. &#8209; Iridescent 15:14, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

File:103.5 K-Lite2016.jpg
I see that you tagged File:103.5 K-Lite2016.jpg as WP:F11. In what way do you believe that the NFUR already provided is invalid? Have you read Logos? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:34, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Now it seems okay as previously the image did not comply with the license (It now does)  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 12:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016
I noticed that a message you recently left to Don Wiss may have been unduly harsh for a newcomer. Please remember not to bite the newcomers. If you see someone make a common mistake, try to politely point out what they did wrong and how to correct it. Per this, could you explain why did you do that? Ayub 407 talk 13:10, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * He had vandalized and I dropped him a warning!  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 13:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, here are the &  done by that user in Stephen Bannon. Where was the unconstructive edit done by that user?  Ayub 407 talk 13:15, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Correct My mistake this made me think he made it! Apologies sent  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 13:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That was added by a IP user one and half hours before that user edited that page.  Ayub 407 talk 13:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Ya I saw sorry!  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 13:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Make sure to completely revert the edit, not place  around your false alarm warning.  Wiki  Pancake  ✉ 📖 14:21, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Name change
Hi, VarunFEB2003! I'd simply like to tell you that I have changed my username from The Pancake of Heaven! to WikiPancake. From now on, please ping me with my new username! If there is a place where I stated myself as "The Pancake of Heaven," please let me know (minus signatures.) See my user page for more info. Thank you. :)  Wiki Pancake  ✉ 📖 14:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh thanks now I know who you are!  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 14:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Removal of template from a protected page
If you keep making disruptive edits, despite numerous warnings above, you are liable to be blocked to protect the project. You had no reason to remove the pp-semi-indef template from Clash of Clans, so I have reverted the removal. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:42, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Would you please look again at this edit. That is absolutely not vandalism. Please read what the edit says, and look at the linked article. If you think it needs a citation then add one (or tag it cn, I suppose, if you won't do that). If you think it doesn't belong there then say why on the talk page. Either way, please fix what you did. And please don't use the term "vandalism" again until you have read and understood WP:NOTVAND. Thank you. -- Begoon &thinsp; talk  15:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to just note that you should DENY obvious vandals attention (per this diff ). Dat GuyTalkContribs 15:38, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I said he might have vandalism intention because he left a sentence incomplete. And thus I reverted it. Until a full sentence is made I am not reverting my edit. Once its done I'll revert. Thanks for the info! And sorry if I wrongly tagged it  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 15:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Its grammatically incorrect  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 15:38, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Personally I see no grammatic problem with that edit. Dat GuyTalkContribs 15:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * In 1905, Higginson was a co-founder of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society, along with attorney Clarence Darrow and two novelists, Jack London and Upton Sinclair. should be In 1905, Higginson co-founded the Intercollegiate Socialist Society, along with attorney Clarence Darrow and two novelists, Jack London and Upton Sinclair.. Tense incorrect + was a co-founder sounds as if the sentence will be continued.  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 15:42, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The sentence is perfectly correct grammatically. It sounds as if your knowledge of English is not sufficient for you to be editing the English Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * [e/c] There is no problem with the grammar. Varun, please fix your edit. An apology to the editor seems in order, too. Reacting defensively when your errors are pointed out isn't helping. A lot of people have given you good advice, but you don't seem to hear it. -- Begoon &thinsp; talk  15:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've re-added the sentence with a proper citation. Don't forget to AGF, and aslong as Varun doesn't edit disruptively he's fine. Dat GuyTalkContribs 15:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Wrongly labelling edits as vandalism is disruptive. Much AGF has been extended to Varun - check the history. -- Begoon &thinsp; talk  15:57, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * VarunFEB2003 seems to be a young editor who's having a hard time on understanding how things works here. Ayub 407 talk 16:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That's fine, but, as numerous editors have pointed out, that means he needs to slow down and learn, instead of diving headlong into numerous complex areas he doesn't understand, acting as though he does, making unnecessary work for others, and offering wrong "advice", "warnings" and "instructions". He needs to actually listen to advice instead of becoming defensive and arguing the toss. Eventually other peoples' patience will run out. -- Begoon &thinsp; talk  16:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Once again, please slow down. You a section from List of oldest military units and formations in continuous operation citing lack of sources. In future before you do so, please make sure to check the linked article. I've reverted your edit. - NQ (talk)  16:43, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It sounds as if your knowledge of English is not sufficient for you to be editing the English Wikipedia. David I understand your feelings, everyone makes mistakes and so did I. Sometimes I don't immediately realize my mistake but eventually do. Thanks a lot DatGuy for your support . And as Ayub said I am having a difficult time. I try to distance myself from areas that are not my cup of tea (at least not yet) But sometimes I make mistakes and try my best to revert it and apologize. I should probably put up that UBX saying this user tries to do the right thing if they make a mistake please tell them. I have apologized to the IP and have stored in mind not to make such mistakes again. Thanks and Regards  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 14:37, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Welcoming New Users
It's better if you welcome new users when they edited constructively. You're just welcoming users that didn't edit yet. Please read WP:WC. Ayub 407 talk 15:06, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there a particular reason?  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 15:08, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems that you didn't read WP:WC yet. Ayub 407 talk 15:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I read it but I don't get why?  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 15:13, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Basically, most welcome messages template says Thank you for your contribution while the account didn't make any edit so it doesn't make sense. Also, we don't want to welcome accounts that are sockpuppets or used for vandalism so it's better if we welcome them after they edit.  Ayub 407 talk 15:20, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks now that I know the reason I'll take care!  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 15:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Offline sources
Please read WP:OFFLINE. This feels a bit harsh in my opinion. Ayub 407 talk 14:31, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It wasn't merely harsh; it was completely and utterly wrong- as even just common sense should tell you., you cannot keep making these mistakes, friend. Muffled Pocketed  14:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was completely wrong. Please don't invent policies. I've done the requested edit. --Stfg (talk) 15:13, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to rub it in, but I see that this is not the only time you might have put someone off Wikipedia by refusing a perfectly valid request. May I suggest that, until you have a much better understanding of Wikipedia's way of doing things, if you see a request that you think should be refused, don't do anything, but leave it to someone else. It doesn't have to be you. The harm done by refusing a valid request can be substantial. --Stfg (talk) 09:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * See I had a long chat with this guy on Email. I can forward you the Email if you want. I dont know but if something cannot be viewed how can you be sure that it's sure to exist (can't it be a hoax?) How can you verify? Since there was no proof that the said material existed in the particular book I declined that request saying that material isn't publicly view able so I can't make the change. My answer was marked as nonsense. What wrong had I done??  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 14:06, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Varun, have you yet read WP:OFFLINE, as suggested yesterday? What you did wrong is made quite clear in its very first paragraph. Just because you may not be able to get hold of the book and check that it says what is claimed, that doesn't mean that nobody else can. If you can't make the check, leave well alone and let someone else do it. Don't guess. OK? --Stfg (talk) 14:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * See my comments, also those of, , , , at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations/Archive 17. The main links to follow from that are WP:SOURCEACCESS and Reliable sources/Cost.
 * If you're going to reject print sources, you might as well put all articles that I created up for deletion. With very few exceptions (such as Marriage and Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2014) I used print sources, either primarily or exclusively, when writing the articles. For instance, Wotton (Metropolitan Railway) railway station, which will be WP:TFA this coming Sunday (4 September 2016) was created by me and massively expanded by - and both of us used books, magazines and newspapers - no web sources at all. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I think I am getting it now! Thank You all for your guidance and advice!  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 11:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

GOCE requests
Hi VarunFEB2003. I've done a quick grammar improvement for List of S.S.C. Napoli players as it was very minor, but please would you note that copy editing is for improving the prose, not for general style cleanup. Also, the main purpose of the GOCE requests page is for articles that you have worked on substantially in anticipation of taking them to some milestone like FAC, GA, A-class, DYK, etc. For articles that you spot are badly written, please just tag them with copy edit, and if the article improvements other for poor prose, please use some other tag like cleanup. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 14:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Vanamonde's anti-Indian stand
Pakistani editor created a WP:REDIRECT to the article Narendra Modi. The redirect was deleted by an administrator after it was nominated at WP:RFD.

Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 21. This is where the consensus was reached that the redirect must be deleted. Only Pakistani editors voted "Keep". But most neutral editors voted "Delete".

On 21st May 2015, Vanamonde93 voted "keep" as he was anti-Indian.

Later on when he saw that Kautilya3, Joshua Jonathan and RegentsPark voted "delete", he became worried that his anti-Indian POV will get exposed. On 23rd May 2015, he amended his vote and changed to "Weak delete". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.38.24 (talk)
 * I'll check! Varun! (talk!)

Your response on an edit request
Just voicing my opinion here, I see you declining an edit request for Fat Mike. Some thing I wanna point out. 1: You declined the request the first time because of unreliable source. You see, although it does not cite any website, it still considered as a reliable source (if the book was valid and searchable on search engines). And also note that Fat Mike is a member of NOFX. You should not decline straight away and maybe search if the book was valid like Google Books. Maybe slow down a bit actually. 2: You declined second time, saying its not viewable on web, even though the Google Books website was listed, what? Even User:Stfg saying this reply as nonsense. The website clearly linked to the Google Books page, and yet you declining it? I think you need to re-read WP:CITE and WP:IRS. Thanks, NgYShung  huh? 12:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied 2 sections above.  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 14:07, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

AWB
In my comment at the AWB page it's actually you I was trying to protect, Varun. You already make a lot of mistakes and cause other people a lot of work cleaning up after you. AWB would allow you to make a lot more mess, very quickly. That could leave you in serious trouble, or even blocked. My advice is to withdraw that request until you are able to perform basic tasks without causing errors, complaints and clean up work for others. I think it's good advice. You're free to ignore it, but at least I've tried to help. -- Begoon &thinsp; talk  13:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Help
Hi as suggested by you I used template in my page but nothing is happening. Why?Hell Rider (talk) 11:30, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Adding that template will get results but it will take time as noone will see it immediately!  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 11:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You may directly seek adoption by User:MusikAnimal (if he is ready) or by User:DatGuy (he offers adoption I know)  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 11:35, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Userpage
Hey please visit my userpage and check I pasted your code but nothing happened.Hell Rider (talk) 11:51, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You've made a mistake I'll correct it !  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 11:55, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * , his user page has changed again. Muffled Pocketed  07:18, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ya I noticed and probably you forgot but no need to ping me on my talk page! Cheers!  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 11:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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Your signature
Your signature,  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline (or online), is confusing. Some messages say you're online, while some say that you're offline. It's not a good idea to put your userstatus in your signature, as once you change your status every place (where you signed your posts)'s status won't be changed. Happy editing,  Wiki Pancake  ✉ 📖 13:55, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I know, I copied it from Cyberpower678 and I like it very much. I was thinking of it saying "Online at time of signing"  Varun FEB2003   I am Offline 04:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * So how could you send the message and sign if you were not online at that time? --David Biddulph (talk) 04:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * He couldn't, of course - that's why it's so silly and pointless. Because there can't be a "live" template in the signature it will only ever be subst'ed text, and utterly meaningless when viewed after the event, if not outright misleading. Yes, of course, logically, it should only ever say "I am online", because, as you say, he must be online, but if he doesn't manually update his "status" flag, that's when you get " I am offline". Utterly pointless, and, as I say, potentially confusing or even misleading. But Varun "likes it very much". Le sigh... -- Begoon &#x2009; talk  05:22, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, this may amuse you, and any exeprienced editor will realise that it's nonsense and ignore it, but inexperienced editors may be misled by it, and misleading new editors is not a good thing to do, so please change your signature before you sign anything again. 80.168.198.77 (talk) 09:44, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging who has an interest in this case.  Muffled   Pocketed  09:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I have made some changes - see  Varun FEB2003   Online when signed 11:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Right- so when you're not online... you don't sign your posts? Muffled   Pocketed  11:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No, no Sign changes automatically like before!  Varun FEB2003   Online when signed 11:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * See -  Varun FEB2003   Offline when signed 11:37, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes we see, the question is why you're doing it. It's rather pointless, and adds a fair amount of HTML to each comment you make.. In my opinion, your signature would look a lot better without it --  samtar talk or stalk 11:42, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ... -- Begoon &#x2009; talk  11:40, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I know but as I am still within the letter limit am I not allowed to use it?  Varun FEB2003   Offline when signed 11:51, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It says you were offline when signed. How could you post. Muffled   Pocketed  11:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, I don't think it breaks any rules - it's just silly and pointless, and the sort of thing most sensible people would just get rid of, after the non-utility had been pointed out. Like many things on wikipedia, one does not always have to follow good advice, but how often one ignores it 'just because one can' will inform others' opinions. -- Begoon &#x2009; talk  12:00, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Bet you waz talkin to me :) Muffled   Pocketed  12:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No sir - follow the indentz. -- Begoon &#x2009; talk  12:11, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so can I keep it as I like it very much  Varun FEB2003   Offline when signed 12:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Varun, you can, and no doubt will, continue to do whatever you like very much. Good luck with all that. -- Begoon &#x2009; talk  12:40, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I was asked to comment here by at 09:54 today, which was one minute before I went out to work; but you deleted the thread before I had a chance to comment, so I have restored it exactly as it stood.
 * I see that you continue to sign, including the statement "Offline when signed". This is not just demonstrably untrue (in that you must have been online in order to make that post), it is misleading and confusing, and as such is in breach of WP:CUSTOMSIG, which says "A distracting, confusing, or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users." I suggest that you remove that portion of your signature in its entirety. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:03, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to be counterproductive or anything, but surely the same applies to 's signature? Enterprisey (talk!) (formerly APerson) 03:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I wasn't going to comment but screw it - VarunFEB can you not have a simple signature like the rest of us ? .... To put it extremely bluntly no one gives a flying shit if you're online, offline or are on a rocket to the moon ... No one cares in the slightest, As noted above your signature simply confuses everyone, Yes Cyberpower678 has one similar but if he jumped off of a cliff would you ? ... No ofcouse you wouldn't .... So do the normal thing and remove the crap from your signature, That way we can all move on with our lives. – Davey 2010 Talk 21:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * One small step for Varun, one big step for Wikipedia. Dat GuyTalkContribs 05:15, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * By the way, Cyberpower678's status thing (when online) kinda blends with the font of the signature so it's easy to ignore it. Yours on the other hand is just too visually distracting. One question, when your signature says Offline when signed, how can you sign when you are offline? In a nutshell, when you sign, you're online. Ayub 407 talk 07:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Huh!? Have a look -->  Varun FEB2003    12:03, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That's great :)  Wiki Pancake  ✉ 📖 12:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks  Varun FEB2003    12:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Enterprisey (talk!) 13:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Much better thank you. – Davey 2010 Talk 13:36, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * OK,, now stick with that. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:52, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Very good. Thanks. Hardly any effort at all... Off-topic, I was also impressed at Jesse Robredo that you realised you stuffed up your first revert, and went back to fix it. That's good attention to detail. -- Begoon &#x2009; talk  15:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Now that looks better. Ayub 407 talk 16:56, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

, Ditto. And re. this, I think Fortuna will be rather impressed well done on correctly identifying vandelism- even though it pretended to be something official! Keep up the good work. Muffled  Pocketed  17:15, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think people were getting unnecessarily bossy about this, but anyway, well done Varun. --Stfg (talk) 17:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC) pɐǝɥ ʎɯ uo ƃuᴉpuɐʇs ǝlᴉɥʍ pǝuƃᴉs
 * Thanks all and welcome too! Thanks actually I was using Lupins tool and when I expanded it there to see vandalism I pressed the undo button there which reverted it there itself! Then I realized that I had not actually fully-reverted it so I used Twinkle to clean it up! Thanks. And Thanks Fortuna that was one sort of misleading vandalism! Thanks you all  Varun  FEB2003    12:21, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * All comments have been slightly retouched to provide better visual ability and attractiveness to the discussion  Varun FEB2003    12:34, 3 September 2016 (UTC)