User talk:Vaselineeeeeeee/Archive 14

Swimming world record succession boxes
Hi, before you remove more swimming WR succession boxes like here, could you please discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Swimming? They are used on many swimming biographies and it's best to be consistent across Wikipedia. If the community has already made a decision to remove them, can you link me to it? Thanks, Gap9551 (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Having looked more into it, Template:Succession box does not mention the boxes being discontinued. Is there a discussion about this at either the swimming, sports, of general community level? I know the football project has some ideas on this, but that does not apply to boxes outside of football articles. For now I restored the boxes in the Paltrinieri article, but we can remove them from all swimming biography articles (not just one) if there is consensus for doing so in the relevant communities. Gap9551 (talk) 04:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. I don’t know about swimming, but at WT:FOOTY here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 101 we came to a conclusion where they are generally frowned upon, although I guess this pertains more to captains, but I think there are some other discussions as well. I was basically removing the pages for the Gazzetta dello Sport Italian sportsman of the year as I saw a user add it to a footballer which I traced back to a few other athletes. Personally, it doesn’t matter much to me, but I think for awards successions it’s pretty much useless, but for records I can see how it may be more useful. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 04:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand what you mean now. You're right, the boxes are sometimes used for 'achievements' that aren't notable enough. I'm also not really sure about whether national sportsperson titles should qualify. But I think that for any type of achievement they should be either included or removed consistently. Gap9551 (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah exactly, that’s one of the major issues on Wikipedia in lack of consistency. Especially for something like this, it can be very hard to enforce or agree upon. Maybe you’d want to raise a point at the swimming project. Happy New Year! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 05:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * For the sportsman boxes it would have to be discussed higher up I think, or at WikiProject Italy. Happy new year to you too! Gap9551 (talk) 05:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Evidently the boy has a certain dislike for the boxes of succession, he has me deleted 15 :) However I think it is appropriate that the question of the usefulness or not of the boxes of succession is addressed in appropriate locations and does not therefore become a war edit. --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Problems with Admins
Hi, I have a question: do you have sometimes problems with some admin that delete a whole page, or almost, just for little mistakes, and then they also delete the conversation in wich I ask for an explanation and treathens a block when they have nothing to support their case? Can they do in this way? If yes, then I think there's something wrong in Wikipedia and if no, what is possible to do with this issue? Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. Yeah, sometimes Wikipedia can be pretty bureaucratic, but we have to deal with it. As long as you source claims to reliable sources, there really shouldn't be a problem, but I must admit, although we value your contributions, sometimes your writing can have several grammatical and spelling errors, which I have needed to fix in the past. Even though, this shouldn't be a case for deletion. Like I said before, if you ever need help looking at an article or text before you publish, let me know and I can take a look. You may be referring to your deleted page Davide Longo (writer), which I have not looked into deeply, but you must also consider if he is notable per WP:GNG. I also recommend you make a user page, as having a redlinked name does set some people off. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 19:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Apart Davide Longo, and apart Piero Operto in wich they made problems because according to them was a living person while he's dead almost 70 years ago, I really don't understand what they did with the Boves Massacre and the way they behaved after.... I can understand my english isn't perfect, I'm Italian living in Holland, and my lack of experience in editing Wikipedia, but still I think that some admins are more a damage than a help and I hope is possible to do something.... this is not about the Wiki rules but the behaviour of some admin. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 21:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I get it, I've seen my fair share of crazy behaviour from admins, and it's hard to keep your cool, but we need to try as hard as possible. I would also recommend looking at WP:CITEWEB, it shows you how to cite full references for websites, and also other mediums like books and such. I looked briefly at Boves massacre, and much of the text was unsourced, but maybe it's because a lot of the info was in that one source you used at the end. If you use a tag when citing for example, you can use the same reference multiple times without needing to write the full reference again. Perhaps try the addition again like this and I can be of assistance with grammar. I only have a beginner-intermediate level of understanding Italian thus far, so it is unfortunate I cannot help in properly translating text. Buon Anno! Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 21:12, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok then. If it's like that, then I don't know if I'll take again the risk to work in editing or creating pages just to see everything deleted like that. Now the Boves Massacre is restored and full of mistakes like before, and it seems that Wikipedia likes it this way. By the way, Buon Anno anche a te. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 10:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Juve article, line-ups and quotes
FA articles about Manchester United and Liverpool not included both and nobody cares, both remain with that status. Including that is not a rule and Real Madrid or Barcelona articles are not the MoS. However, for have a GA status, JFC article has much problems, firstly its weight (over 40 Kb. the limit in en.wiki witch make more difficult read it) for including details that not add some important for the argument. Repeat, for line-ups exists the single match articles and its graphics, for quotes exist Wikiquote and there are one about Juve.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 05:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I’ll bring it up at WT:FOOTY. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 05:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Merseyside derby and a question
Hello my friend, I think you may remember me over a debate on Atalanta B.C. in European football article. I need your help on another article, which is Merseyside derby. There was list of honors from both teams as a separate section but a user consistently deleting it and argues that it is irrelevant. I gave him examples such as El Clásico, that even those pages have that honors section. I just looked at saw even Juventus F.C.–A.C. Milan rivalry have it. So, my question is, do you know how to open a debate article? If you could tell me, I would open one for this discussion. I am sick of it because the user just takes decision on his/her own. That's ridiculous. Thank you. Omerlaziale (talk) 18:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Atalanta page was over a proposed deletion of the entire article. The case with the Merseyside derby is only a particular section of the article. While I don't really have a position whether the honours should or shouldn't be in derby articles, they should all be consistent with each other. If you want to start a discussion you can do so at the article talk page or at the football project WT:FOOTY to gain more exposure. Happy New Year! <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 19:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Rincon and Torino-Juve contract
Hi

I recently reverted your modification to "out on loan" Juventus players as you removed Rincon: This player had only collected enough caps to be obligatory bought from Torino (from option to buy, to obligation to buy). This obligation will effectively take place in next summer, when loan will be over. Till that day he continue to be a Juventus player on loan to Torino, thus he have to still be listed in this section.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riktetta (talk • contribs) 2018-01-08T13:50:53 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a source that says that, because Football Italia says he is bought outright. as well. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 15:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * the football italia may be a reliable source. However, the clear consensus of football project was separating loan and outright deal, just like Juan Cuadrado. Matthew_hk   t  c  19:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So you're saying Rincon shouldn't be listed as on loan at the Juventus page, right? <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 19:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The signing should be completed and the player should be removed from the main article Juventus F.C., but in 2017–18 Juventus F.C. season, may be some footnote that he was on loan for the first half of the season. It just entirely unencyclopedic to have WP:OR on the loan contract was set to expire on 30 June 2018, and the effective date of the outright deal according to their WP:OR, was X-Y-Z date thing. Stick to the date of the news that came out. La Gazzetta, quoting La Stampa interview with Cairo, confirmed the signing. However, La Stampa had a paywall which i can't find the original full interview. Matthew_hk   t  c  19:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have his sale outright listed in the winter transfers after the option to buy was exercised. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 20:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

It is not an option, but an obligation to buy when the player met certain sporting objective to be exact (Juve use  l’obbligo ), so it is unencyclopedic to have statement such as "the entire effective date was on mid-2018", which did not have any source to support unless you hack into to the database and get the contract to have a look, or a heavily interpretation on transfer regulation (in the past excised to enter co-ownership, FIGC did specify June as the dedicated excised time, but we are not talking about co-ownership but conditional obligation to buy ). It should be removed from the squad list of Juventus F.C. Matthew_hk   t  c  20:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Canada Day
Hi, I see that you undid my edit.

I am also a very proud Canadian, who has been working since 2012 to ensure that Canada Day is celebrated on July 1st everywhere in Canada. However, due to archaic legislation, this is not the case. It is very important that the facts are true in published articles, so that this situation can be corrected.

Please reference the Federal Holidays Act, or search Ontario Statutory Holidays to see that I am speaking the truth. Thanks CanadaDayShouldBeOnJuly1st (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry Vaselineeeeeeee. I don't mean to use your talk page for this as it should be discussed at the article, but this new editor is becoming problematic.
 * No. Canada Day will be on July 1 just as it is every year. That people are legally given a day off work on another day is immaterial.
 * Consider when other fixed holidays are celebrated. When Christmas falls on a Sunday, do you open your gifts on the Monday? No. And it's not just because that's Boxing Day or you're Germanic and open your gifts on Christmas Eve. Do not confuse the day off with the day on which it's celebrated. Feel free to show up for Canada Day celebrations in your city, town, village or county on Monday this year. You'll likely be part of the clean-up crew and they'll enjoy your help. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Consider commenting at Talk:Canada Day. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 04:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Will if the edits start up. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Giacinto Facchetti

 * Ugh; I don't want to badmouth anyone but that user is so frustrating because he just lazily deletes any unsourced honours without even trying to do a bit of research to find sources which could usually easily be found online...he just did that with the Tevez article, and I'm going to revert it once I can find sources for all the honours. Regarding Facchetti, it's hard to find sources for players from the older eras...I'll see what I can do. Best regards,

Messirulez (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * haha ok thanks. And ya, I know what you mean about him.....but I guess if you follow by the book to the T, then that's how it is, but I don't think it's a reason to get rid of the whole table. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 18:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Managed to find quite a few sources for his club appearances (thankfully Inter have a record of their players' appearances in all competitions, not only Serie A, which is what most Italian statistical websites include, and as Facchetti spent his entire there it ended up being quite simple haha). The international appearances were easy as thankfully the FIGC website is great for that. Best, Messirulez (talk) 18:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Excellent! <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 20:24, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks man, hopefully we got them all! <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 16:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

My talk page
Hi there V, all well?

Really there was no need to revert the anon user in my talk page, i have the fear they were being a bit sarcastic in their tone but i cannot be 100% sure. I have left a note as well to the IP, let's see if they heed this time (even though User:Mattythewhite has done the same and the IP clearly graps the English language, don't know what more can be done, really).

Happy editing, regards --Quite A Character (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Everything’s good thanks. No worries, I just thought that I should remove obviously wrong and ignorant comments. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 22:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Juve-Fiorentina
Hi, yeah the season links were just something I felt would be useful but no onus on anyone else to include them. It would now be quicker to add them onto the tables for the other derbies since the piped text is on there now, but to be honest I'm not really bothered about them, just wanted to make all improvements I could to this one since we were preparing it. I have a table for players on another article which would be suitable for this so I'll do that tonight. Crowsus (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you mean quicker to add to the other articles? Like you mean copy and paste from this article to the others? If so, yeah it would be a little quicker that way. I guess it wouldn't be much longer for me to just change the link numbers as I go to put in the rest of the results, so I suppose I could just do it along the way to save having to go back. I'd like it to be consistent so maybe we can work to do that after the Juve-Fiorentina article is done. I also want to make a Juve-Napoli rivalry page after this as that is very strong as well. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 22:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Bad Blood
Thanks for that, I hadn't seen it. Yeah, even though the original episode ratings only include live viewers, an overall viewership number would include streams on Citytv's website or CraveTV. My understanding of Wikipedia practice is that we don't update the total episode count on the basis of the initial production announcement, but wait until the second season has actually premiered. Bearcat (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * True. Probably also including the French language viewers in their broadcast a couple months later. Also if you find anything on how critics received the show, please add or let me know. I can't really seem to find anything of substance right now even on Rotten Tomatoes. Thanks. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 00:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, that's true too, I forgot about the French run. I'll keep an eye out for critical reviews as well, though I suspect if you can't find anything there's probably not much out there. Bearcat (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

One option would be to split the cast list up into three groups: one for the actors who carried through both seasons, a second for the actors who appeared only in Season 1, and a third for the actors who appeared only in Season 2. Another alternative would be to keep the cast list together, but add some kind of "(Season 1)" or "(Season 2)" notation after the names of the actors who only appeared in one season or the other. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I like that second option, and actually, after looking at Breaking Bad, that's how they've done it. Thanks. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:42, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Clubs of football world champions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Clubs_of_football_world_champions#Unofficial_competitions_(waiting_for_total_formalization)

Hello Vaselineeeeeeee (great nickname) :-). I am again... i' have a Draft pending for a long time, you can help me to publish it? or even improve it? :-) Clubs of football world champions is present in 28 languages but to miss in english, it seems to me a good page... ;)

thank you :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vituscecco (talk • contribs) 01:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't really see a need for the page as the user who declined the submission seems to be correct as it is a combination of List of UEFA club competition winners, List of Intercontinental Cup (football) winners and List of FIFA Club World Cup finals. Can you show me the corresponding page in another language, probably Italian, for which you claim articles exist? <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 02:33, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

ok thank you, yes... ;) :-) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societ%C3%A0_calcistiche_campioni_del_mondo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vituscecco (talk • contribs) 09:20, 30 March 2018 (UTC)  --Vituscecco (talk) 10:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I see. So I think the issue is that there is far too much info in your draft that doesn't relate to the article like Copa Rio. I think if you structure it more like the Italian or French article, it should be a good article to have here also in English. If you're open to some removal and making it more concise, I think I can help, especially because I don't think English is your first language :) <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 16:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@ Vaselineeeeeeee Thanks!, I come from northern Italy but i also write in Sicilian (my dad is Sicilian) the page in sicilian of Clubs of football world champions is written by me :-). I will entrust the draft to you, and then we update coming soon, ok? :-) --Vituscecco (talk) 18:25, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I've published it now at List of world champion football clubs. I think it is comparable to List of UEFA club competition winners now. Thanks for raising this to my attention. Also, do you know if there's a page for List of world champion football club winning managers in another language, similar to List of UEFA club competition winning managers or Allenatori vincitori delle competizioni UEFA per club? Saluti, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 18:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@ Vaselineeeeeeee Thanks to you! It is for me a satisfaction, without your help would not have been possible :-). Yes... look: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allenatori_vincitori_delle_competizioni_UEFA_per_club#Classifica_per_allenatore ;) Ciao!--Vituscecco (talk) 02:28, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey no problem man. My father’s parents are also from Sicily. Yes, I know of that article, I linked it above, but it is only for the UEFA competitions. I’ll probably make one for the club world champions soon. Buona Pasqua. :) <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 03:04, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Sicily <3 ;) Thanks, yes is probably, maybe look: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:Allenatori_di_calcio_campioni_del_mondo_di_club

i removed de facto... Because the people can confusing, alone "symbolic" is ok, for experience. ;) In Italy for this discussion there were heavy quarrels. I miss the intercontinental cup, i have lived many editions was leggendary matches, battles, the intercontinental cup is the most fascinating football competition ever existed thanks to the great balance in the field given by the lower economic gap of the time and rules on foreign players who gradually favored the European teams and weakened the South American teams....Buona Pasqua you too ;) --Vituscecco (talk) 04:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey, I've made List of world champion football club winning managers if you wanted to take a look. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 21:19, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yessss very well! Thank you so much ;) --Vituscecco (talk) 00:51, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

RE: Serie A records - Buffon
'':Ciao. Can you tell me why you changed the record from 959 minutes supported by multiple sources by Football Italia: and  to 791 minutes?


 * On the Italian Wiki it says: "Dall'47' di Udinese-Juventus 2-6 (rete di Danilo, 9ª giornata) al 28' di Juventus-Milan 3-1 (rete di Leonardo Bonucci, 30ª giornata). Non ha disputato le partite della 12ª, 13ª, 16ª, 17ª, 18ª, 19ª, 20ª, 21ª, 22ª, 25ª e 28ª giornata (al suo posto giocò Wojciech Szczęsny)."


 * How does this add up given the games Szczęsny played? How are you calculating this? Are you saying the 959 includes some games Szczęsny played? If so, it doesn't add up. You guys have any sources for 791 minutes?? Thanks. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 13:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)''

Ciao. According to many Italian sources (for example 1 2 3 4, etc.) the 959 minute record belongs to the club (Juventus), including both Buffon and Szczęsny games. Even your sources say "Juve’s 959-minute Serie A clean sheet" (cit.), not Buffon's. Based on my colleagues in Italian Wikipedia, Buffon alone got 791 minutes. I haven't done the calculations myself, though. --L&#39;Eremita (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. Fair enough, you’re right it does say “Juve” and not specifically Buffon. I’ve reverted myself. Buona Pasqua. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 16:37, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Buona Pasqua! --L&#39;Eremita (talk) 16:49, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Money Heist will be a full Netflix Original going forward
Netflix acquired complete rights for Season 3, including in Spain where it'll be exclusive to Netflix too. I think that does make it a proper Netflix Original going forward.-- occono (talk) 21:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you raise this at the page's talk page because if Netflix aqcuired it for third part, I think that should be explicelty stated on the article. Also at the template Template:Netflix original series, should that make the show starting from a 2019 block, for from the 2017 block? Maybe better to get more opinions. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 22:45, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It is already stated and sourced in the article, where it mentions the renewal. The upcoming third part is fully exclusive to Netflix, including in Spain.-- occono (talk) 22:50, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I see it at the bottom there. Ok, so at the template, do you think we should add the show from the year of acquisition in 2018, or from its new release in 2019? <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 22:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If international exclusives don't belong in the template, then from 2019 as Series 3.-- occono (talk) 23:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That's what I was thinking because the template is only from original series presented on Netflix only. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

So I added the show to List of original programs distributed by Netflix, but was reverted, as it says: "These shows had their original production commissioned by Netflix, or had additional seasons commissioned by Netflix." Maybe these are real guidelines, maybe not, I'm not heavily invested in this subject, but, there does seem to be logical sense with this as since the original production of the show was not distributed by Netflix, how can it truly be a "Netflix original series"? I think for this reason, I will remove it from the template and the category. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 13:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Never mind, it's in the "Continuations" section of that article, it was just because I put it in the wrong section; I need to read a bit more carefully! <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 13:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Nicolas Frey
Hi there, how's it going?

Can you please help out in this article's reference #2? I have already started translating it, but did not complete the "task at hand".

On the subject, i have already contacted User:Messirulez, but he has been wikiabsent for a long time, hopefully all is well in his real life! Thank you very much in advance with whatever you can provide, best regards from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 20:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi! Thanks for your message. I've also noticed Messirulez has been away for quite a while; I've wanted to talk football with him as so much has happened in the football world this April! My Italian has gotten a lot better in the last year or so ever since I started taking Italian classes, definitely as far as rules/conjugations go...developing my vocabulary and articulating in speech is something that still needs work of course. Anyway, so the references says "Mutu si ferma, Gilardino no – Fiorentina corsara con il Chievo", which you've translated so far to say "Mutu closes up, Gilardino not – Fiorentina with Chievo". I'd say that you can still keep it as "Gilardino no" in the English traslation as well, as "Gilardino not" doesn't really sound right; you could go for "not Gilardino" I suppose, but I think it's fine to just keep it the same. "Corsara" is something I haven't seen before. Even when I looked into the word, I found it literally means privateer in English, which I've never heard of either! The article states "A privateer is a private person or ship that engages in maritime warfare under a commission of war", so my guess is that it means Fiorentina and Chievo were playing against each other "in battle" so to speak. My thoughts are is that "corsara" in this context would be hard to translate over in English. If you need advice on Italian translation and Messirulez isn't around I'd suggest User:Tanonero, he's a native speaker. By the way Tanonero, not sure if you saw the derby today, but that was insane by Juve at the end! I know the points are not only important to us and our title race with Napoli, but also for Inter for Champions League qualification. Sorry! :) Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 22:49, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi The first half of the title refers to the fact that Mutu, which apparently was the main goalscorer for Fiorentina up to that point, did not play because of bad form, yet he was well replaced by Gilardino. So, I'd say that perhaps "Mutu halted, not Gilardino" is a better translation (or something along these lines). "Corsaro/a" means "pirate", and in this context (as correctly guessed) it means that Fiorentina was quite combative. So, my translation would be "Mutu halted, not Gilardino – A combative Fiorentina against Chievo".
 * The game yesterday was a roller-coast and at the end I was so disappointing (still am) for the missed chance to beat Juve with 10 men that I don't want to talk about it. :D
 * Coincidentally, I've just returned from a week spent in Canada. Best regards, -- Tanonero    (msg)  10:04, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping! Hey that's cool you were here. First time? Just for fun? Well, the country is so big you could've been anywhere. Where were you? Hope you enjoyed it! Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 11:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I was in Montreal to present at the annual edition of the Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems. Cool city. I also went to Laval to visit another second generation Canadian-Italian who is also cousin of my partner. No, it wasn't my first team. In 2015, I visited Vancouver while presenting to another conference, the Conference on Computer Supported Cooperative Work (CSCW). Even cooler city. -- Tanonero    (msg)  12:10, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Yes, Montreal is a nice city, although there is a little bit of a rivalry between Toronto and Montreal – likely stemming partly from hockey, but also because of the English vs French speaking mentalities. People usually say it has a more "European" feel especially in Old Montreal with the cobble stone streets and old churches – same with Quebec City. Yes, Montreal also has a large Italian Canadian population. Vancouver is also very nice – in the summer, as in the winter they don't get much snow but instead a lot of rain. Canada is such a geographically diverse country, which is why I love to travel "locally". Banff National Park in Alberta is absolutely stunning, as well as Eastern Canada – The Maritimes. They have an excellent museum there at Pier 21 in Nova Scotia, which was the port in which hundreds of thousands of Italian immigrants first set foot – including my grandparents. I'd also obviously recommend Toronto, I wouldn't doubt that one of your conferences will hold a venue there in the future – but also a great vacation spot anyway. The Toronto waterfront is beautiful with Lake Ontario there – lots of things to do. In spite of the horrific Toronto van attack that killed 10 last week, which also included an Italian Canadian, occurring 20 minutes away from where I live, Toronto is a very safe city. I guess that's enough PR hahaha, Best regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 16:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi! I just wanted to offer my sincerest apologies to everyone for my extended absence from Wikipedia and for not getting back to you in a long time; I've decided that I should probably spend less time on wikipedia as I need to focus on my doctorate right now. I've returned briefly just to polish up a few things, and I will tend to any unread messages. I hope you're all doing well, take care! All the best, Messirulez (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Re: Maldini
I guess we will remove it for now because he wasn't in the match-day squad and one of his Milan profiles doesn't list it in his honours. Best, Messirulez (talk) 04:49, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok. While you were away, we also had a little discussion about if you win a Serie A title or not if you leave half way during the season for example. If you're interested you can look at: Talk:Kingsley Coman. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 12:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * That's a tricky question; I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. As far as I'm aware you don't, as I know the medals are given out to the players in the squad in the ceremony in the final home game of the season. Having said that I do think that there have been exceptions...I think Ronaldinho was sent a medal for his contribution to Milan's scudetto in the first half of the 2010-11 season, even though he left for Brazil half-way through, but I haven't really found too much information on this. I wish there were something clearly stated to avoid any ambiguity or confusion regarding these matters, but there isn't, which is why these issues have arisen with whether a player "won" a title or not. But as far as I know in Italy everyone is listed as having won a title as long as they are part of the squad even if they didn't play. I know this might seem unusual, but at the same time, players who were in a World Cup-winning squad who didn't play still received a medal as well, so if that is accepted then I don't really see why the former should seem strange. Best, Messirulez (talk) 00:22, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Hey, thanks! Yes, we always want to wait for an official sources that says for certain they are a part of the club, usually after they sign a contract. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 12:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Re: Buffon
I was wondering about that myself. Maybe we could add what was said after the match and penalty/sending off in the controversy section and state that it drew media criticism and that it led to a fine and a ban, but then in the career section we could just state what is already there, that it was a red card for dissent after a contentious injury time penalty (and it was a controversial decision; I'm not saying it definitely wasn't a penalty, as there was some contact but if pundits have been debating it after seeing the replay at different angles, then obviously it's something which in real time should have been left to continue, especially considering the circumstances, so Oliver made a poor decision), and that he was fined and later banned for three matches. I'm annoyed he was banned that long; it's excessive when all he did was speak his mind. His comments weren't nice, but he didn't say anything offensive, it's not like he physically assaulted the referee (and Joe Hart put his head against him in the past and Oliver did nothing), and it's not like he used any slurs or anything like that. How come they never ban Cristiano Ronaldo for diving and getting players sent off unfairly, or Sergio Ramos for dangerous conduct such as injuring two players in the Champions League final, or unsportsmanlike behaviour, such as making a meal out of Cuadrado's supposed stamp on his hand? UEFA have no guts at all when it comes to dealing with big teams and players, and it's rather pathetic. And the fact that they won't adopt the VAR, which might have not led to the penalty being given, just shows how weak and backward they are as an organistation. I heard PSG might back out on their offer for him depending on how long the ban is, so we will see what happens. It will be odd if he goes to PSG, especially when they have Areola who is young and solid, and Gigi is 40 now. I don't know if it's the best decision; I know he wants to win the Champions League, but in spite of everything they have invested PSG just seem to lack the mentality to do well in Europe. Plus I wanted Gigi to go out still on top, and every year, even though he's still a decent keeper, he seems to get a bit slower with age and more error-prone. Plus it's sad to see him leave Juve if he's not retiring. Best, Messirulez (talk) 14:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Just because I'm worried that I'm going crazy or being biased, please tell me what you think of this when rereading it (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44370953 it's a transcript of the translation of his comments on a BBC article regarding the ban):

"I know the referee saw what he saw, but it was certainly a dubious incident. Not clear-cut.

"And a dubious incident at the 93rd minute when we had a clear penalty denied in the first leg, you cannot award that at this point.

"The team gave its all, but a human being cannot destroy dreams like that at the end of an extraordinary comeback on a dubious situation.

"Clearly you cannot have a heart in your chest, but a bag of rubbish. On top of that, if you don't have the character to walk on a pitch like this in a stadium like this, you can sit in the stands with your wife, your kids, having your drink and eating crisps.

"You cannot ruin the dreams of a team. I could have told the referee anything at that moment, but he had to understand the degree of the disaster he was creating.

"If you can't handle the pressure and have the courage to make a decision, then you should just sit in the stands and eat your crisps."

It doesn't seem like he said anything all that terrible to me; is criticism and sensible freedom of expression no longer permitted? I'm all for political correctness in this day and age, especially when a dangerous and powerful world leader like Trump is spouting lies and saying racist, offensive, and misogynistic things on a daily basis, but a comment like this...I think there are more serious problems in the world right now, and it's not worth being offended by something like that; then older people have the gall to call millennials "snowflakes" when they lack just as much backbone in life at times. Obviously Gigi was annoyed because it was possibly his final Champions League game ever and his last chance of winning the title, and Juve were 10 seconds away from sending the match into extra-time in Madrid after making an incredible comeback after losing 3–0 at home, and Gigi was having a good game and keeping a clean sheet, and then Oliver had to go and give a dubious penalty and then send him off when he even might have even saved the penalty, so obviously one must understand, regardless of his age and experience, that he would have been furious in a situation like that, which is only normal. Even Maldini was upset at Moreno in the round of 16 match against Korea in 2002 when Totti was sent off. And on top of that, Gigi has always been respectful of his opponents and officials and has never put the blame on decisions like that in the past and has always been an example in terms of sportsmanship, so it really annoys me to hear people who know nothing about football say that he disgraced himself and tarnished his career with his comments on Oliver's officiating. Obviously what happened afterwards with Oliver's wife's phone being hacked and her number being posted online and that they received death threats is disgraceful, and the people who did that are deplorable, but that has nothing to do with Buffon's comments. He didn't incite hatred. He even said that it was a dubious incident himself, and he later said that he shouldn't have expressed his views in that manner but that he stands by his criticism, and there's nothing wrong with that. Mourinho blames the officials all the time! Best, Messirulez (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I like that idea! Yes, I think what he actually said is notable enough for inclusion in the controversy section, and that's how we can differentiate between the two sections. He said quite a few quotes eh lol do you think we should include all of those? Yeah, the ban is really stupid for all your reasons. I think the ethics board probably went on it harder after Oliver was receiving death threats, which of course have nothing to do with Buffon. Sometimes political correctness can be taken too far, and sometimes it is annoying, but I don't think Buffon was way out of line either. I think the piece the board is looking at too is that he said Oliver had no courage and is basically saying he doesn't even have the courage to be a referee, which I can see how the board may see that. But it was not offensive or hate filled in my opinion. Maybe we can pick the middle three quotes to include, but we shouldn't include anything about Oliver's death threats has it has nothing to do with Buffon, if you agree. But hearing some comments about how it dented Buffon's career also infuriated me. It was his last chance at Champions League with the team that he loves for God sakes! There's tons of emotion. Maybe he will try and appeal it if he plays on? Maybe the board gave him a ban because it is likely it would never be able to be enforced anyway? Yeah I hope he doesn't go to PSG that would be a bad move in my opinion, at this point there would be no point. This last year Buffon's had a couple hicups but he finished strong, and if he doesn't continue with Juve, then I think he should just go into a club position like Nedved and Totti did. Did you hear that Pirlo is training for his coaching liscense? I thought that he's said before he had no interest in being a coach, at least that's what I remember from his autobio. It was sad not to see Buffon have a proper send off for the national team, as I wish he at least played in the final friendly yesterday at Juventus Stadium. But Perin did play very good. Hopefully Juve are close to signing him like the reports say, even tho I think Szeczney is still pretty decent. I think even for now, given Donnarumma is only 19, maybe Perin should even be Italy's starting keeper right now. It's still going to be up for competition, but Perin looks pretty solid right now. Balo scored in his first game back, and what an amazing goal it was! Of course it was only against Saudi, but that was great for him. Shame on some of the Italians who still think he isn't "Italian". That banner was nasty and I hoped he would've been the captain against France, but Bonucci still played. That was so dumb how Criscito got a red card in the last game, it probably was the right call, but it's a friendly cmon. It was pretty poor marking for the Dutch equalizer...I hope we don't go down any further than 20 in the rankings! Chiesa played really well, just couldn't sink one. It was good to see Zaza come back since the terrible penalty at the Euro and get a goal, good set up by Chiesa. Italy is really young now, so it will probably take some time, but I hope they can find their way soon with Mancini as Euro qualification is coming up soon. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 14:38, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree with all of that. I'm not sure what is best to include of the Buffon quotes on Oliver...I was thinking of putting them all together, but whatever you think is best I'm happy with! No, I didn't hear about Pirlo getting his coaching licence, but they always say that midfielders make the best coaches, so hopefully that's the case with him as well... ;) Yeah it's a shame Buffon didn't get a sendoff in Turin, but at least he managed to play one more game for Italy this year. I agree, Perin was on fire against the Netherlands and looks really great and I think he should start for Italy over Donnarumma, who is talented but still needs to grow at the moment. Sirigu has also been good as of late and had a decent season with Torino, and I'm happy for him because he went through a rough spell when I felt he was unfairly dropped by PSG for Trapp, who wasn't much more reliable, so he could also play a game every now and then and he has experience. The good thing is that we seem to have good keepers. I'm surprised we're getting Perin though, as I don't know if it's the best idea when he said we would focus on Szeczney, who has done really well this season in spite of competition for a starting spot with Buffon, and has really developed and improved since coming to Italy, so it seems a bit disrespectful to him to not show him confidence considering all the work he has put in and all the pressure he has dealt with, but then again, although he's fairly young, he isn't a really long-term solution, so Perin would be a great signing for the future, as he's still very young and definitely looks very promising. As long as he can avoid getting injured, he looks potentially world class in my opinion, as he's so quick, athletic, and reactive, and really good in his shot-stopping, and on top of that, I always like having Italian players in our team as we are an Italian side, and we have been competitive in Europe these past few years, so I like the fact that Italian players can start in good sides so that our national team will be stronger. I also feel that Perin needs to start and get playing time, especially after his injury struggles; unless we loan him out, but then I don't know if that's great for his confidence either. Maybe the competition will help them both, but I feel like a keeper needs to have faith put in them and know that they're the permanent starter considering the responsibility being placed on them. Yeah, I thought we didn't play that well against France, but against Saudi Arabia (not the strongest opponent, no offence to them, but still a win) and the Netherlands (I know they're also struggling now and aren't what they used to be, but they're still the Netherlands; we should've won in my opinion as I thought we outplayed them until the sending off, even though our goal was lucky with Zaza getting the rebound which bounced off him but Chiesa did well and Zaza was in the right position, and we also had some chances incorrectly ruled offside. And yes the marking on the goal was poor and the red-card was a bit silly; it's a shame because I thought Criscito looked quite good in these past few games, but he lost his opponent, and although I get it was technically a last man challenge, he really was going for the ball and almost got it, so I thought it was harsh to send him off when it was only a friendly as well) I thoguht we did well, and Balo looked good in both games he played, as did Chiesa. Hopefully with an experienced manager like Mancini and these new talented young players, as well as some other more experienced good players, they are on the right track. I hope we can come back from this and qualify for the Euros and do well as you said. Yeah, the stupid racist banners regarding Balotelli are stupid, but unfortunately with the Lega Nord being led by a xenophobic, racist, neo-Fascist imbecile like Salvini getting so many more votes in the past election, it was expected. I'm glad they gave him the captain's armband and that he shut them up with a goal and two good performances. Hopefully he can keep this up after his good form in France, even though I still feel like his mentality is an issue, like it always was with Cassano, and it's a shame that both have only shown glimpses of their talent and true potential at times, but I hope that under Mancini, with whom he had a good relationship at Inter and Man City, that he can play well for Italy again, like he did with Prandelli who also showed faith in him. Best, Messirulez (talk) 15:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Agreed :) I've added the passage to the controversy section, with all the quotes, we'll see if anyone has any issue with that. Feel free to touch anything up. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 15:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Take care! Messirulez (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Italy attendance
This source show 20,500 as the Gazzetta dello Sport newspaper of 5 June, page 2.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:12, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. What do you think of the IPs edits? At first he was citing the attendances with no sources, you can see the Italy national football team edit history page, but the attendances are shown in the soccerway reports now. I know you always update the attendance usually using Gazzetta, but for consistency with Italy national football team results (2010–29) what do you think we should use? If we use the match report with one attendance, we shouldn't be listing a different one in the parameter. Thanks. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I putting attendances with no sources??? Soccerway site are a good website for the attendance!--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:22, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Last results: 2017
 * Italy-Uruguay attendance 17,000 as here;
 * Italy-Liechtenstein attendance 20,514 as here;
 * Spain-Italy attendance 73,628 as here;


 * Italy-Israel attendance 15,507 as here;
 * Italy-Macedonia attendance 22,603 as here;
 * Albania-Italy attendance 14,718 as here
 * Sweden-Italy attendance 49,193 as here;
 * Italy-Sweden attendance 72,696 as here;

2018
 * Italy-Argentina attendance 25,000 as here;
 * England-Italy attendance 82,598 as here;
 * Italy-Saudi Arabia attendance 10,100 as here;
 * France-Italy attendance 35,006 as here;
 * Italy-Netherlads attendance 20,500 as here;

I repeat, soccerway website is as fantastic source for the attendances.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I said at first. I know soccerway is fine, but for consistency between Italy national football team results (2010–29) and the main page, we should follow one.<b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * It's just to follow putting on the report soccerway site for friendlies. uefa and fifa report for qualification rounds and main competition, as always see the attendance on soccerway site.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:37, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * He's actually right for even the FIFA match for example Italy-Albania that says 16,000 at the list page, even says 14,718 on the FIFA report listed. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, 14,718 is correct. Howewer in this page Italy national football team results (2010–29) can I fix the number attendance since 2010? I prefer to fix now, following soccerway site.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * You know what, I think it would be fine, I guess you can go ahead and do it for now. We can see what Tanonero says after if he agrees. Thanks. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:46, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you. Now I start to fix attendance on this page Italy national football team results (2010–29). See you later. When I finish, will put a message here.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:48, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi both. I always tried to look for sources mentioning the exact attendances, but sometimes I have to settle with rounded up numbers. If Soccerways reports the precise attendances, we should certainly use those numbers as well as using Soccerways as the source for the report (for every game except for the ones that can be found in FIFA/UEFA websites like the IP said above). I am happy to help, so we can maybe coordinate. -- Tanonero    (msg)  00:08, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅ See here Italy national football team results (2010–29).--212.171.112.196 (talk) 00:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. If you have the appetite you could do Italy national football team results (1990–2009) too, but I can help you as well later :) thanks. I think it’s good to have consistency so I’d agree to use only soccerway reports for friendlies where they can be found. If they can’t then the eu.football reports look pretty good. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 00:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. Maybe in the nexts days. :)--212.171.112.196 (talk) 01:06, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should always use eu-football for attendance because soccerway doesn't always list the attendance vs , where as eu-football always includes it, and very accurately I might add. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 12:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to have a "rule", namely rely on on source only. In my opinion, we need to find match by match a source that displays accurate attendance if available (which I already do, but perhaps the attendances are updated later than when I look for them), otherwise every source is fine and we'll report rounded up attendances. -- Tanonero    (msg)  12:50, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I get that, but I guess the issue is, is that when you find a source, we don't actually use that source in the match report, mainly because they aren't usually full reports, which is why we might get someone who wants to add different numbers to the attendances like what just happened with this IP. That being said, I think eu-football is pretty fast in updating the matches, within an hour or so they'll list the referee and the attendance as well, something they do for every game, not just a select few like soccerway, and not just a rounded attendance. I think that if we wait a little for eu-football or something else that reports the attendance accurately, and something we can put in the report parameter, we should use that. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 13:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. -- Tanonero    (msg)  16:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've encountered a caveat with eu-football when teams are outside the UEFA zone, they do not list the goalscorers for those opponents. I guess this is becoming too trivial now, but I suppose we can just use soccerway sources when they face non-UEFA teams that list attendances, as it is probably better to have the goalscorers listed before the attendance. I'm still going to use it for UEFA-UEFA teams and where attendance numbers cannot be found. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 01:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I've finished updating the lists with either soccerway or eu-football depending on the situation. I think this was good, as we were also able to catch a few mistakes that have been there for a while by accident. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 03:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice job. :) -- Tanonero    (msg)  09:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

User page help
Hi. Please see my user page User:Vaselineeeeeeee. The formatting is all messed up because the babel languages table I have used to be set up in a horizontal configuration, but as you can see, it's vertical now, and I can't figure out how to get it back to horizontal. I have {| class="wikitable" border="0" cellpadding="2" above the template because I think I saw that on another user's page, but don't know if it helps. Thanks. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 16:28, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Your tables were messed up because you didn't close any of them (i.e. use  at the bottom). I've done so, and fixed some other minor formatting issues. If you want more help, change the help me-helped back into a help me, stop by the Teahouse, Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 17:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but some other stuff got messed up, like the headings are all squished... Also, having the babel table vertical looks to shift the table of contents to the side, that's why I originally had it horizontal, but now it won't go back to that configuration, could it? <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:05, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Your userpage does appear to be somewhat chaotic, but maybe that's because I'm looking at it on a very different screen size than you tuned it for. I don't see that you've made any changes since 25 June and I don't see a change for when your babel box switched to vertical.
 * Now, I see that Primefac has made an attempt at fixing it, but it still looks jumbled to me. A big problem is how your new section heads are not being properly laid out when there are previous float:left divs still in force. I'm not going to touch anything, without your explicit permission, but I am happy to advise.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 17:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Using clear before each section heading would remove the floating issue (headers by their nature will try to cram themselves in unless that template is there). Primefac (talk) 17:08, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. If you think you can fix the headings, or make the boxes straight, please go ahead. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I will try the clear. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes clear should help bring the section headers back out, but if you end up with big stretches of white space because of the effect of clear on the layout, there are other options. I'm still not going to touch anything until it looks like you and others have stopped changing things.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 17:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it looks fine now, it would just be nice if there was a way to get babel back to horizontal, but if not it's fine. Yes, there's a stretch of what looks like a long strike line, and the colour changes. I don't really mind it, but if there's a way to rid it, go for it. I will stop making changes for the time being. Thanks to you both. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, give me a few minutes with it...  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 17:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that's the best I was able to do in a reasonable amount of time. Your babel box now is arranged horizontally. I made the table-of-contents appear a bit earlier than it might otherwise do on its own. I experimented with different screen widths to see how the layout was affected. I was unable to reliably keep the purge icon next to the time box.
 * Userboxes of mixed height are clearly a challenge.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 18:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I hope you didn't spend too much time on it! I changed the TOC to left and the flags to horizontal and put the two userboxes alone into some sort of table, and the purge went back together. It seems that the colour of the border of the first userbox in each section is removed and the colour is stretched. I don't know if you have any ideas about that, if not don't worry. Thanks again. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 19:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I suspect the odd color stretch lines have something to do with the way you are using/abusing Wikitables that I don't understand. If you're happy, I'm happy.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 19:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Your odd stretch lines are because you have a bunch of random tags that create a line. These are then offsetting the first value of your table and messing with the layout. If you want three userboxes per row of your table, it should look like this: And of course if you wanted four across you'd add one more per line. What you're doing right now is just shoving all of the UBX into one cell, so it's moving things around as it sees fit. So if it were me, I'd get rid of all of the and  tags, and put the UBX into proper rows. Primefac (talk) 20:04, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, it looks so much cleaner! Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 21:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, I looked at your latest version and, yes, the better use of tables has tamed some of the unruly userboxes so it looks much less chaotic. Congrats.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 22:28, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Check out this other userbox for displaying your local time. It has the purge button incorporated inside the user box, so there's no need for extra effort or shenanigans to keep it attached.


 * Also, I'm not sure if the extra  markup is doing any useful work for your page. You should at least try it without them.  — jmcgnh (talk)  (contribs) 17:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks for that, I like it; updated. I also think I got rid of all the div style code before. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 18:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Vigilance
Hey man, haven't spoken in a while but I hope you're doing well. I wanted to make sure we're on the same page about this, following Cristiano Ronaldo's move to Juve we have to be extremely vigilant on the 2018–19 Juventus F.C. season article; my fear is that it may attract vandalism. Cheers Italia2006 (talk) 17:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm doing well thanks, hope you are too. Yes, indeed, as always, I will keep a close eye on it. I still can't believe that Ronaldo is on Juve and for so cheap. I'm still shocked that Buffon went to PSG, which tells me he was forced out if we wants to still keep playing which is sad. Ronaldo is one of those players I never really liked much, but you can't deny his skill, so I hope he can bring the CL to Juve even though it would've tasted much better without him. Should've also bought some Juve stock, I was on the fence about the transfer so opted out, oh well lol Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:45, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * For me it's fantastic to have a player of Ronaldo's calibre in Serie A, but I think Juve losing Rugani would be terrible for the future and the defense. Italia2006 (talk) 17:47, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, for sure, it will be great for the league too, bring it back up, give people something to talk about and watch. I hope Rugani doesn't leave as Barzagli will probably be done next season and Chiellini soon too. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:48, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Babel
Hi, I noticed that the babel userbox isn't displayed horizontally anymore with the previous code. How did you fix it? Thanks. Nehme1499 (talk) 22:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * See the thread two discussions up I had the same issue. I've fixed it for you at your user page :) <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:25, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help, however I have noticed that on your page I am able to scroll through the "userbox groups" as if there were a slider. This isn't happening on my page, the userboxes are going outside of the page (if that makes sense). Thanks again.Nehme1499 (talk) 23:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm maybe it's because the size of our screens are different. Your page looks good to me. But you can change how many userboxes you have per row. On my page I have them at 4 per row, look at the code of my page and you can move the code for the new table up depending on how many userboxes you want per row. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:48, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok the situation seems to be more complicated than I expected! I'll try out a new layout for my page, thanks anyway. Nehme1499 (talk) 10:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I managed to fix the issue by just removing the code. Nehme1499 (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Cool, glad it worked. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 20:49, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Ronaldo's transfer fee
Hi Vaselineee, long time not to talk with you. I just want to bring up a topic. Should Ronaldo's transfer fee be considered as $112M euro? Regarding of official press here: http://www.juventus.com/en/news/news/2018/cristiano-ronaldo-signs-for-juventus.php, it is $100M plus $12M additions but it is paid to FIFA, not agent or player. So I would think the total transfer fee should be $112M instead of $100M. Here is another summary from Transfermarkt.com where they marked it as $117M: https://www.transfermarkt.com/cristiano-ronaldo/profil/spieler/8198

Cheers for Ronaldo's arrival. Day of the year, the history. <b style="color:blue">Troubleo</b><b style="color:gold">.WS</b> <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁 <b style="color:green">Talk</b> 14:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey yeah, I think we've come to a conclusion on his talk and footy talk that it should be 100M since that's the fee paid to Juve without any additional costs. Then we can say there were an additional 12M in fees, as usually done for players, on the season page on his actual page. By the way, Transfermarkt is notorious for not being a reliable source as determined by FOOTY. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 18:17, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi
Hi! Could you translate that:

« Andando a Firenze, dopo due anni, dopo cinque, anche dopo sei se volete, potremo dire addio ai fiorentini e andare a Roma; ma da Napoli non si esce; se vi andiamo, saremo costretti a rimanerci. Volete voi Napoli? Se ciò volete, badate bene, prima di prendere la risoluzione di andare a stabilire la capitale a Napoli, bisogna prendere quella di rinunziare definitivamente a Roma. »

(Vittorio Emanuele II di Savoia, king of Italy)

And put it into Naples page (over the history: Italian unification and the present day). Please. 79.22.29.54 (talk) 00:48, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Aren't you from Napoli, why don't you do it? Besides where's your source and why is this quote necessary? <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 00:54, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Because do not speak english very well :). It is necessary because Naples should have been the capital. Rome was chosen for her legend. After the romam empire it was a small city for long time.

Source: Saverio Cilibrizzi- Il pensiero, l’azione e il martirio della città di Napoli nel Risorgimento e nelle due guerre mondiali - Conte Editore- Napoli Vol. 3 Capitolo V — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.22.29.54 (talk) 01:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not fluent in Italian myself, but I'd think I could probably translate that if I take my time with it. But I'm still not convinced this is necessary, and I don't know too much about its history - not a big history buff. Maybe post it to the talk page and see if anyone has any other input. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 01:21, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh yes, Rome capital. But not many Italians likes the truth about Rome capital for pride. I warn you. Bye.79.22.29.54 (talk) 01:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

It's not opinion, look the source, please!79.22.29.54 (talk) 13:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Seperate football kit history article discussion
Hi, There is a discussion about Seperate football kit history article. Category:Association football kits

Topic is as belows!<BR/> Some users want to delete separate kit history article. But I want to keep the separate kit history article.

Please join a discussion! Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football Footwiks (talk) 07:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm relatively indifferent, as long as there is consistency. For now, I don't have an opinion. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 13:53, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Anyway thanks, But There is news. A discussion is taking place - Articles for deletion/AFC Ajax kit history

If Ajax kit history article be deleted, All seperate Kit history articles will be delete. This is very important discussion. Footwiks (talk) 17:13, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Alisson fee
The club haven’t announced a fee (don’t think they ever do), the BBC are going with 66.8m (€75 million) as are most sources. F8RIL (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok we'll go with that unless the club says something. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 21:31, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Joseph Massino
Hello, I wanted to ask why was my edit removed from Joseph Massino's page? It was this one


 * In the 2017 Canadian mini-series Bad Blood, the character of mobster Big Mike Cecchin is based on Joseph Massino.

Mafia Don1989 (talk) 11:43, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no source that lists that character yet or says anything about who he's based on. See the second season section of the article for the characters who have been confirmed so far. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 13:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

2018–19 Juventus F.C. season infobox
Hey man, just wanted to ask for your help, there is a user who keeps "correcting" the Juve kit in the infobox to a version without the actual Juventus crest and other details. Why he keeps doing this, I have no idea. But I'd appreciate it if you could help me keep an eye on it, especially as I did a bit of digging and it seems this user has the potential to be combative. Italia2006 (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey yeah no worries, I hadn't even noticed, slipped through the cracks. I have seen discussions about kits at WT:FOOTY recently where many people seem to say the general kit is better to use, which may be influencing his edits. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 00:49, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That makes no sense whatsoever, but thank you. Italia2006 (talk) 00:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hahaa yeah, I'm relatively indifferent about it, but until a real consensus has been reached we'll stick with how we've been doing it. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 00:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like he reverted you. It does say at Template:Football kit he quoted, not to use logos on the kits... <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 11:19, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Which is why I didn't respond, but I intensely disagree with it. If that's what's on the kit, it should be there. Italia2006 (talk) 17:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, maybe it has to do with some sort of copyright issues they're afraid of... <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

possible copyright violation
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Championship&oldid=prev&diff=855205030 I don't care enough to argue the point or edit war. I will warn you that it's a likely violation and may get reverted if someone looks at it closely enough. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I added the fair use rational, but images are not my expertise. If I had found the logo with no date, we'd put that up, but for some reason their website isn't showing it even though they used both the logo with and without the date last night. But the one with the date is definitely better than the one with Amway who isn't the sponsor anymore. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 18:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Bothersome editor
User IvanScrooge98, who has been already blocked in other projects as far as I could see, seems to be obsessed by "syntactic gemination" because it is almost the only thing he cares about. In the case of "bevé, col cosacco" the comma indicates a pause. If the text had been without comma, there would have been no pause and then there would have been syntactic gemination, but there is a comma to indicate a pause. What should the phonetic trascription show? The correct pronunciation of the text. Which is [beˈve kol koˈzakko]. He says that there is difference if the text is read or sung? No, there is no difference. You can listen to the National Anthem of Italy and verify through your ears that there is no gemination, there is no [kk], I checked and I even heard a long [e:] before the [k] sound. His insistence in changing the text is pointless and actually a vandalism due to his POV, nothing more. The fact I am not registered does not make false this truth, while the fact he was blocked in other projects for causing trouble about linguistic issues should suggest something about his "good faith". 5.170.47.132 (talk) 14:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This isn't my area of expertise. Are there any sources? <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 15:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

The page about "syntactic gemination" in the section Exceptions: it does not occur if a pause is on the boundary of word in question (A Typology of Spreading, Insertion and Deletion or What You Weren’t Told About Raddoppiamento Sintattico in Italian); it even makes an example where there is a pause even if there is no comma, while in the case of "bevé, col cosacco" there is the comma clearly indicating a mandatory pause. If you want to hear the song, search "FRATELLI D'ITALIA - National Anthem of Italy (complete)" on YouTube and go to 3:35. Tell me if you hear [beˈvekkol koˈzakko] or [beˈve:kol koˈzakko]. By the way, I am not "hopping IPs", I have a dynamic IP and I am using an Internet key, so every time i turn it off I change it, but I have not used this to bypass rules or to hide myself, I have always been recognisable. 5.170.47.44 (talk) 15:29, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It's still a hopping IP as your IP changes. Put those sources on the article talk page for Ivan to see. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 15:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I can do nothing about it, I just hope this does not create any problems to the community. However I thank you for posting in my place my argumentation. But he will not listen. If I am not wrong he is the kind of user that acts for his own POV, not caring about other users nor rules that he considers just nuisances. 5.170.47.8 (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Apps and goals
Hey I'm extremely concerned about your removal of the appearances and goals portion of the squad information table only because it contains the whole of these players' careers with, in this case, Roma, not just current season statistics. I think it's a valid inclusion in the table. Didn't want to change it back before conferring with you of course, cheers. Italia2006 (talk) 00:24, 28 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey, oh I saw a new user add full squad info tables to all the Serie A teams, which was great, but he also added apps and goals, which I haven't seen done much, so I removed them from the tables. I noticed that Manchester City season doesn't use it, but teams like Real Madrid and Arsenal do. I just thought it would seem strange to have all the players' apps and goals listed ever since they've been at the club since it is a season article. It's not a huge deal to me, I thought we should just have consistency as the Juve and Milan pages didn't have it, but if you wanna add it back it's fine. Regards, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 00:47, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It may be easier for you to simply revert rather than I do it myself, let me know what you want to do. Actually though I'm glad you brought up that user: that guy is an absolute champ, he's been putting in a crazy amount of work. Very impressive. Italia2006 (talk) 02:42, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I reverted myself at the Roma page, but maybe when you update the stats for the other Serie A pages like you always do you can just revert and update then instead of me doing it all again. I also noticed that it says "appearances and goals include league matches only", which I forgot to remove when I was removing. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 21:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem, cheers. Italia2006 (talk) 21:31, 28 August 2018 (UTC)