User talk:VasuVR/Archive 3

A special award for your assessment work!

 * Thank you and I love them! -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 04:38, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Pakistan categories
Hello VasuVR! While you were tagging categories into WikiProject India, you have, I believe by mistake, tagged some Pakistani categories and templates under the project too. I have compiled a list of some of these:
 * Category talk:People from Rawalpindi District
 * Category talk:People from Rawalpindi
 * Category talk:People from Rawalakot
 * Category talk:People from Muzaffarabad District
 * Category talk:People from Mirpur, Azad Kashmir
 * Category talk:People from Mirpur District
 * Category talk:People from Kotli District
 * Category talk:People from Hunza-Nagar District
 * Category talk:People from Gujar Khan
 * Category talk:People from Ghizer District
 * Category talk:Neelum District
 * Category talk:Muzaffarabad District
 * Category talk:Muree hill tribes
 * Category talk:Mosques in Azad Kashmir
 * Category talk:Mirpur District
 * Category talk:Kotli District
 * Category talk:Hinduism in Azad Kashmir
 * Category talk:Hindu temples in Azad Kashmir
 * Category talk:Gujar Khan
 * Category talk:Gilgit District
 * Category talk:Ghizer District
 * Category talk:Ghanche District
 * Category talk:Bhimber District
 * Category talk:Bagh District
 * Category talk:Astore District
 * Category talk:Jat clans of Pakistan
 * Category talk:Mughal clans of Pakistan
 * Template talk:Azad Kashmir topics
 * Template talk:AzadKashmir-geo-stub
 * Template talk:Baltistan
 * Template talk:Gilgit-Baltistan

In addition to these, some Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan user location templates were also tagged. If you could please do a clean-up of this as soon as possible (and possibly other Pakistan-related pages that may have been tagged in the process, which I have missed), that would be great. Thanks in advance and all the best,  Mar4d  ( talk ) 09:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you do something about it soon?  Mar4d  ( talk ) 15:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

WT:INB
Whoops! Thanks for spotting my error at WT:INB. - Sitush (talk) 16:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

RE:Fresh Tagging
Thanks buddy, yes Im interested in Mumbai - Iv been speaking to bot operators on ways to get more articles tagged WP Mumbai since a lot of articles from the city have not been tagged by the project. In the last week Iv manually tagged articles that were earlier not tagged. Cheers, Around The Globe  सत्यमेव जयते 09:38, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Some articles in Gujarati links are about people whose ethnicity is Gujarat but they're born in Pakistan, so i guess they don't matter to WikiProject India so I'm not tagging them for now. Any suggestions? --kondi talk/contribs 14:27, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, you may drop those false positives (my term for want of a better term), where you do not think it will be of interest to WP India. They need not be tagged. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 14:54, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks. --kondi talk/contribs 21:52, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

India Assessment 2012 and AWB
hi, can you please tell me how to load pages from into AWB, i can load the categories into AWB but this one is not. as you had made this Page so thought of asking you. thanks--  Ð ℬig XЯaɣ   23:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * For those using AWB, I had given separate page with just list of articles. For example, see Jharkhand List. You can directly go to edit the list, copy the content into your Notepad (assuming you use Windows operating system) and save it as a text file. Then in AWB, you can also load from a Text file, where you would choose the saved file. The list is now in your AWB to process. Hope this helps. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 01:33, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * sorry, some more details please. i use win7 . Following you i will have txt file containing lines such as "#	Sadni Falls" now how to load this as a list in AWB, ? --  Ð ℬig XЯaɣ   01:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Copy that full list from the editor into a text file. For example, open Notepad, paste the content from the list and save it as, say, Jharkhand.txt in your computer. Then open AWB. In the Source drop down list there are options to load Text File (UTF-8) and Text File (Windows 1252/ANSI). You can choose either of them and press "Make List". At that time AWB will ask for the local file name. Choose the Jharkhand.txt from wherever you had saved it. Now AWB would have loaded the list from the text file. Hope this is sufficient for you to take up further. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 01:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * looks clearer now, i will try this and trouble you again if this doesnt work , actually i am an AWB newbie and i am still learning my way to control this useful monster, thanks --  Ð ℬig  XЯaɣ   01:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Correction
Hi Vasu! I noticed you while tagging a User Template, and noticed an error when you assessed Template talk:User Mumbai University. You added that the template is supported by the Indian cinema workgroup. I have corrected, just wanted to let you know to do take care in future. Happy editing and assessing :) -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 08:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes there is an error in about 5-10 templates that were tagged wrongly... Thanks for pointing out. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 08:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Here is a new pet for you! Keep up the great work on India assessment.

AshLin (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC) 


 * Thank you AshLin. I like the cute cool cat... :) :) Yes, things are going good and glad to work with you all. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 09:52, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you Yash. I have learnt a bit from the various articles that were assessed. One comes across some interesting information and some useful information. I love the learning, though I hope to get back to mainstream article contribution as well. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 06:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

List of compositions by Muthuswami Dikshitar
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 * Noted. This is public information about 200 year old compositions. I doubt any site can claim copyright. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 07:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Tag and Assess 2012 - Awards

 * Thank you. It is just that analysis of lists, comparing them, trimming and then finally assessing with a tool like AWB helps in doing a stream-lined process in quick time. Would love to see the ZERO that everyone wants to see... :) -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 01:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I alos have the same motivation to get to the zero mark, qualitatively. With consistent contributors like you, it is just a matter of time.  Thanks again. Ssriram mt (talk) 01:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Assam links
Hey, I just completed the Assam links. There were only a few false positives. The list begins with an article Haat Bihu. So, the list begins with the alphabet "H". I wonder whether there are eligible articles from "A" to "G"? They were not listed?--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The history is this. First I started with Andhra on my own and there were some 3000 articles. After a few hundred, I wanted a change. So, next I took up Assam. After going through the initial articles, I started wondering how much would be there in all other states. When I compiled the lists, I was overwhelmed. I could not think of doing all the states on my own. So, at that time, I brought it up to Sriram for collaboration and coordination guidance. Hence you will see that Andhra list also starts somewhere in H and same with Assam. Hope this clarifies. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 00:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is ok. So, after most of the states in that list (as it is) are done, the same mechanism may need to be done again, to cover articles that were not included (by that time, some of those remaining articles may automatically be coveted by others). --Dwaipayan (talk) 00:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, ideally another round would be useful, but there would be higher percentage of false-positives (as same would turn up again - that is articles in India related categories, either by mistake or by fringe relationship). Also, have to cover the non-state based categories, like literature, geography, history, politics, etc. I will keep the board posted on what I find - this may be in early May only, as I think it is better to complete the existing tasks first and then do a full sweep. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 01:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks and dabbed it. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 12:29, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Fresh WP India tagging
Hi Vasu, Can you please update the TN list, TN links. Ssriram mt (talk) 01:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I did not understand the request. Is it to reduce false positives and negatives? Or is it to update based on progress already made? -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 02:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes - reduce the false ones. I need it to be made up-to-date. I am not sure how you go about doing it - can you please update?Ssriram mt (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * OK. Here goes some history. The process of getting the lists are as follows: (a) Get list of all articles under state category (say, Category:West Bengal), with full recursive fetches. (b) Get all articles within WP India by looking up all the quality and importance categories (25000 limit on AWB list, hence the separate processing). (c) Use AWB List comparer to remove all articles from (a) which are already in (b). This forms the list for the state.
 * Now coming to individual cases, West Bengal shared lot of articles with Bangladesh, J&K with Pakistan, Punjab with Pakistan, TN with Sri Lanka. So, then I started digging around the categories manually and in case of WB found that some Bangladesh categories were wrongly included into WB hierarchy. By reorganizing the categories, I reduced the Bangladesh articles. Then I went about (a), (b) and (c) again for WB. I was successful in this case, because of the wrong categorization in the first place.
 * In the other cases, like J&K, Punjab & TN, I was not able to find any incorrect categorizations. That is, some Sri Lankan articles are bound to come up because of the sharing of Tamil Culture, Tamil Language, etc. In all 3 cases these are the master lists and one has to manually eliminate whatever is not of interest to WP India. I am sorry I cannot help further, at this point of time. If I was not on vacation, I may have done some manual elimination of SL categories from the list itself (step a) before continuing further, but it is a tedious and long process. That is, either way it is a tedious manual process only. So, as of now, kindly continue with the list I have provided. Sorry about that. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 05:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Userboxes for Project
I have also created few userboxes related to our project:

Hope that you might like it. Thank you and Happy assessments!  Yash  t  101   09:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * These are very nice. Good job. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 10:33, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Tag and Assess 2012
Thanks a lot for making rapid progress with fresh assessments - with contributors like you, we have brought the fresh assessments under 5,000. Keep up the good work mate, eagerly waiting for you to come back. Ssriram mt (talk) 03:41, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Ujjwal patni
Would like to work with you on ujjwal patni. He is a trainer, author and motivational speaker. He is a Guinness world record holder, authored more than 6 books in 12 Indian languages, available in every nook and corner of India and definitely deserves a page in wiki. I would request you to see this project and help us on that. The article is extensively edited in last 20 days so i request you to see the 3-4 months old version.

Thanks

Anay jain (talk) 07:18, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back
Hi Vasu, Welcome back - we are at the finishing stages and was expecting you to rejoin - thanks a lot. My AWB is hanging while i load articles for fresh assessments. Can you please reload those - do it at your convenience. Ssriram mt (talk) 12:22, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is mainly needed for J&K and Punjab, which have too many false ones. Ssriram mt (talk) 12:28, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

A Barnstar...

 * Thank you very much for the barnstar. Have to get back into the drive and take to finish line... Hope to do that soon. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 03:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Tag and Assess 2012

 * Thank you Sriram. I have been busy since mid-April, and could not get back into the drive except for a brief day. Kudos for the whole team to have come up with superb progress. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 13:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Tag and Assess - Awards

 * Thank you Sriram. You know you deserve this more than anyone else. -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 13:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Railway Mixed Higher Secondary School, Perambur,Chennai-11.


A tag has been placed on Railway Mixed Higher Secondary School, Perambur,Chennai-11. requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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 * I have no clue what this is about... I was not involved in creation / edit of this page, to my knowledge... You probably wanted to post to some other user... -- VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 10:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Please Help...
Dear Vasu, Kindly improve the article 2012 Madras Music Season, if you have enough time. Thanks and Regards Selva Selvasivagurunathan m (talk) 14:19, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Selva, Sorry for not writing earlier. Please see response to the next message below. Same thing is keeping me away from Wiki for quite a while. I do not think I can contribute much in coming couple of months. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 13:27, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Chennai Collaborations of the month
Are you from Chennai?. If so, or even if not so, you can join us at Chennai Collaborations of the month if you are interested. Thanks, Anbu121  ( talk me ) 08:38, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the invite. Yes, I am settled now in Chennai. I am quite busy with work and personal things for quite a while now - hence not contributed much, except for a minor change, here and there, based on my watchlist. I do not foresee that changing for a couple of months. I can chip in with a few minutes now-and-then, but that is about it for now. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 13:27, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback message from Tito Dutta
Tito Dutta (contact) 05:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Sorry I am busy Tito Dutta. I have commented on that page. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 02:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposal for updating WP:INDICSCRIPT
--Bejnar (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Noted and gave my comments. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 07:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Courtalam vs. Courtallam, is splitting required ?
--Bejnar (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Another wiki
Hey, I am developing a wiki specifically for Carnatic Music and related topics at http://rasikas.org/wiki as I realized wikipedia will not specifically suit CM & India related topics as it is somewhat like the internet itself (a mix of everything under the sun). I see you contribute extensively on CM on wikipedia and guess you may like to continue doing that... but with your experience on wiki formatting etc, I think I can draw your help if you'd not mind contributing to Rasikas.org's wiki as well. As it is, it's now a blank slate and I am just importing the trinity's compositions one by one. The bio pages of the musicians and composers, raga articles etc is what I think I can take other people's help from. You can reach me by gmail on the same id as WP if you are interested. Either way, even if you are not interested, please let me know, no worries. Thanks Srkris (talk)


 * Hello. Thank you for the invite. As I am quite busy with my work and personal side, I have not been able to contribute much to Wikipedia, including Carnatic music articles. It will be difficult to get time to do that, or to do the similar task in Rasikas.org. With respect to raga articles, I am not sure I can add much more than what is in Wikipedia, including the images for the scales of the ragas. Hope you can take that and move forward. In case the situation changes, I will get in touch with you - either here or at rasikas.org and we can work out appropriate plans. Thanks and Regards. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 10:54, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Kirwani
Hi,

User:Panyd had deleted Kirwani on 17th November, 2012. Can you please give me the content so that I can work on it again to make it proper with references? I strongly believe it has been done by mistake. Please restore the content to User:VasuVR/Kirwani. Thanks.

VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 08:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. Good luck with it; as you can see, there isn't much there. JohnCD (talk) 11:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, JohnCD. I think there is enough sensible stuff in it's history. Article has been there for years! Someone (or set of people) have hacked the hell out of it before suggesting a G1. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 12:22, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW, JohnCD, if I were to modify this to have sensible content (picked from history), then you should be able to move it back to Kirwani (to preserve history as well), shouldn't you? (or any admin) Thanks. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 12:25, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You can do it yourself. Click "Move" at the top of the page, and opposite "To new title" take care to select "(Article)" from the drop-down list in the left-hand box, and enter "Kirwani" in the right-hand box. That will leave a redirect behind at the old title, which you can tag for deletion with db-u1. JohnCD (talk) 13:40, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Totally out of touch with Wiki work for a while now that I forgot this simple thing! VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 14:22, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

re: Radha Jayalakshmi‎ - living = yes / no
Hi. Didn't realise they are a duo. The tag can be restored on the talkpage.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 16:05, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Lugnuts. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 10:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, Avinashj14. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 02:54, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

User talk:VasuVR/Archive 1
Just an FYI, I've commented out a full transclusion of an article on your talk page archive, as it was making the page appear in Category:Lok Sabha constituencies in Arunachal Pradesh. Cheers, Number   5  7  14:57, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem. An Admin had done that on my talk page to demonstrate the issues we were trying to address. Of course, I did not notice the side-effect of inclusion in categories. Thanks. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 15:06, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

re:Edits of Indian Wikipedians
--  Tinu  Cherian  - 17:48, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Replied on your page. Need further info. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 04:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

You deserve a barnstar!

 * Thank you AshLin. Just something that caught my eye. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 08:12, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you TinuCherian. I can repeat it on a regular basis (say once a quarter). I hope I will get suggestions. Maybe I will post a query to the Wikiproject India's notice board. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 08:14, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

WP:INCOTM
Please vote for one choice for WP:INCOTM for December 2014. We have had balanced voting for the choices & a front-runner is not emerging. AshLin (talk) 10:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure, AshLin. Voted. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 13:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

You are NOT alone! :)
Hi Vasu,

To aid you in your lonely vigil, I've sort of initiated a mini-drive for assess & tag. With the community pitching in, perhaps we can get it done in a month. However, a coordination page (much simpler than 2012) would be required & we'd also need a volunteer coordinator. Considering that you have been championing this cause when all were hibernating & given your past track record, it seemed just to approach you first & foremost to ask whether you'd like to be the volunteer coordinator. Please give me your answer soon. Either way its okay. Happy assessing, AshLin (talk) 14:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Honoured by the request. Thank you for the kind words. Coordination means a lot of things, including time, planning, interactions, productivity, etc. The main reason for my earlier contributions have been only that last one - productivity - by using a combination of tools to improve that for me as well as other participants. And of course, timing - that in those times I had some spare time which somehow I decided to give to Wikiproject India (those 2-3 months). I am not sure I will be able to dedicate much time & it could be in such random spurts, unpredictable. Hence, would like you to consider another candidate to coordinate.
 * On the curiosity side of what kind of tag-and-assess you have in mind, I would like to know your thoughts. That can help me think again - but otherwise, I will have to decline the role of coordinator.
 * VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 14:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Briefly...
 * Create a bare-bones Tag & Assess page 2014 by reusing the 2012 page text & cutting down extra stuff.
 * Daily status needs to be monitored & a screen capture of the WikiProject India Article table done each morning. I used to load it to webcite so that Commons neednt be cluttered up.
 * Update user totals periodically (you can ask them to do it themselves or do it yourself).
 * When completed, shout with joy & award Barnstars to those over 250 assessed articles.
 * AshLin (talk) 15:08, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you AshLin. I will pass - primarily because time that I can't spare. I am also glad to note that you already have a volunteer, as seen on the Noticeboard of the project. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 15:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, no issue. AshLin (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

WP 1.0 Article Summary Table for WikiProject India - two versions?
Hi,

It appears that the summary tables for WikiProject India, shown in our Project pages, differs greatly from the actual state.

The WikiProject India Main Page shows a view (supposedly updated each night at 0300 hours UTC). It shows 69 FAs, 41 FLs, 281 GAs & 131,775 articles totally.

On the other hand if you click on any of these numbers in the table, say the FA page, it takes you to a page where the total number of FAs shown are as 72, not 69. And so it is with each category of articles summarised in the table on WikiProject India.

On each of these WP 1.0 project pages. there is a link for summary table. Clicking it takes you to this page. Here the summary table appears to be updated and shows 72 FAs, 45 FLs, 292 GAs & 135,143 articles totally. Any idea why this discrepancy exists? AshLin (talk) 14:00, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Statistics on Wikiproject India pages come indirectly from the User:WP 1.0 bot's sub-page. The history of India sub page clearly shows that after 12th June 2014, it was not updated until 14th (my manual update) and then followed by 16th Nov 2014 bot update.
 * NOTE: The bot update has reverted my Template class related update as shown in the diff here - search for football. What the Hell! Anyway, it is some basic problem in WMF Labs. I will wait and then raise it to some one else if nothing moves forward on this!
 * VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 17:24, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Jayanta assessment
IMO, the article should be at least start and meets the criteria in WikiProject_India/Assessment. Please check. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 14:18, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 *  ✅ AshLin (talk)


 * Agreed and thanks .  VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 17:25, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

need apihighlimits right
I use Autowikibrowser, especially for Wikiproject India related work. Requesting for "apihighlimits" rights to extract 2 or 3 lists in total, so that our "Tag and assess" drives can be made more efficient and productive, while saving a lot of time. I plan to take these lists and work with them on Excel to come up with "action plans / action lists".

Kindly provide the "apihighlimits" right to my ID. I will use this with No limits plugin of the Autowikibrowser.

Thanks in advance. VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 01:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Apihighlimits is not included in the list of user rights in the administrators' tool for changing user rights. In a default mediawiki installation, only bureaucrats have apihighlimits right. I have searched, and failed to find any documentation anywhere about anyone other than bureaucrats being given the right on Wikipedia. My guess is that if the right is available for editors other than bureaucrats, you will at the least need to consult a bureaucrat about receiving the right. However, I am leaving this help request open, in case another administrator who knows more about the issue than I do can help you. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:16, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * . I am striking out the request for apihighlimits rights. I checked Autowikibrowser tool and whoever has an admin / bot rights can also run the no limit queries. Can an admin/ bot please get me the list of pages placed in the category Category:WikiProject India articles - using the No Limits plugin within Autowikibrowser? The results can be put into a subpage of my user page, say User:VasuVR/WPIndiaArticles.


 * That will be sufficient for now. Thank you in advance. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 01:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Too Big! - Use the e-mail link on my talk page to send me an address, and I'll send you a zip file (940kb) Ron h jones (Talk) 00:25, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * received the email. It is perfect. If I need any other Category's list (which is too huge to get on my own from Autowikibrowser), I will ping again. Thank you. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 02:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Weird edit-summaries
I agree with assessments and tagging, but seems to have nothing to do with WP:EL. Is this spill-over from what was supposed to be happening in article-space rather than article-talk? DMacks (talk) 18:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


 * my mistake in using wrong edit summary - it should have been "Wikiproject India Banner addition", instead of the "WP:EL" summary - did not notice the earlier summary continuing for these (about 15) edits that followed my earlier removal of links from Article space. I will ensure the further work gets edit summary of "Wikiproject India Banner addition". VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 01:56, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking it out. And thanks for your on-going tagging and other work! DMacks (talk) 02:09, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Indian biography articles
Hello! Just FYI, WikiProject Film does not cover biography articles such as actors and filmmakers, those articles are covered by adding yes to WikiProject Biography instead. This applies to all of the film task forces as well. The Indian cinema task force specifically states that it is about "domestic films, films made by Indian filmmakers abroad, films produced or co-produced by Indian companies, and foreign films shooting in India". Those are all articles about films, and should include the yes parameter. However, it does not include articles about Indian actors, directors and filmmakers, because those articles should NOT have the WikiProject Film banner on their talk pages, and consequently should not have the yes parameter on the WikiProject India banner. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 02:33, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I am aware of the guidelines and I thought I had diligently followed them. I had tagged cinema=yes only for films and not for the "people". If there is a slip in one or two articles, kindly correct them - I am not planning to go through my 1000+ tags to figure out which 1 or 2 has been missed. Thanks. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 15:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

T. S. Nandakumar
Hello VasuVR!

"Hobbies being Carnatic music ..." Eh? Great! Please, if possible, take a look at the new T. S. Nandakumar BLP where I have been 'chasing' after new editor (for ≈4.5 hours just today!!). I have been trying to advise them about normal WP editing practices after they started off with copying text from a website. Unfortunately, after leaving them seven message I haven't got any response in return other than my edits being undone without explanation, and a few edits that seem in response to my templated messages (with a few personal custom ones/ template additions thrown in).
 * Let me know if you think I have been too 'harsh' on a newby editor.

If you can help, please chime in! Regards, 220  of  Borg 06:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


 * editors and edits like these really make me crawl back under the blanket and hope the power will go out from the world because it is dark around me! Peacock terms, promoting the article, etc., is difficult to teach the newbie, where possibly Shri T S Nandakumar may be related or the guru of this editor. The article may be about a person who has reached a professional level, but I need time to figure out how much of the claims can be substantiated. I will try to do something during this weekend. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 07:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I feel much the same way! I have ≈1.5 Gb of Internet usage to use up in <5 hours now, (end of my monthly 'usage' period). and instead of downloading useful stuff/ updates/ watching er .... 'naughty' videos or Youtube I've been reverting poor edits and trying to get their attention! Most annoying was their linking to Kerela (which is in Mali, Africa; instead of Kerala) and their reverting of that when I fixed it.
 * Thanks for your reply, I too am wondering about Nandakumars notability. From past experience it seems the more extravagant the claims, the more likely they are to be bogus!
 * • The use of such 'flowery' or laudatory language (and over-use of titles and similar) seems to be either an Indian 'cultural' thing, or the way they are taught English perhaps. I've been meaning to ask 'someone' about this. --220  of  Borg 08:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Finally got a response!  (>2.5 hours to use my Gbs now!)  >:-( --220  of  Borg 10:39, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Assessment using AWB
I have been using AWB for some time, mainly for diffusing Category:Indian politicians. I wanted to know how one can add assessment tags to talk pages of articles. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 06:23, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * first I make a list of articles I am interested in using AWB's variety of options to create a list. Then I use Excel / MS Word / NotePad / vi/ vim (tools / editors) to manipulate the list and also add the talk (if list had articles) or articles (if list had talk) to the list. Now, I have a bigger list (double) with the Article followed by its Talk page, then next article, followed by its talk page, etc. Now I run through AWB with Skip option "don't care" and no other criteria. In this way I review the article and skip it - then automatically the Talk page is presented. I add assessment parameters according what I saw in the review and save it. Then it presents the next one!
 * Basically, it is a matter of thinking outside the box of AWB and trying to use other tools in combination with AWB to come up with a master list and then running through them using AWB. Hope this helps.
 * Specifically, right now, I used the Category:Unknown-importance India articles as the list and am running through it to set the class (mostly stub / start) and the importance (mostly low or mid).
 * Earlier, in 2012 and also a few days ago, I had taken the master list of India articles from admin and compare it with the AWB category lists (full recursion) on various topics (using AWB lists comparer tool). It gives list of articles that are not in India articles list but is in a category of Interest to India (for example, an article created under Buldings and Structures of Delhi, but not yet tagged with WP India banner in talk). NOTE: We are comparing Talk list of India articles with Articles list of categories. Hence you have to flip them using AWB before compare.
 * With inclusion of other tools, the utility of AWB to productively "organize" our work seems quite endless.
 * VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 06:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Want to contribute links to Ragas in Carnatic Music.
Hi,

I have youtube videos of Carnatic Music raga introductions taught by reputed teachers in music, which I wanted to add to the Wiki pages related to ragas. Can I add these links in the section on arohana/avorahana or only in external links? I am new to Wiki and not sure where to add external links. I also have small excerpts of lessons taught in various ragas. Can these be added also?

Thanks Sowmya Acharya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sowacharya (talk • contribs) 05:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi It is not encyclopaedic to add a specific person's links to Wikipedia as per Wikipedia guidelines. Each link should have encyclopaedic content, which is accepted as adding value to the article and without such "unique" information it would seem to lack some material. Clearly this is not unique links that you are planning to include.
 * If that information is available in abundance, one cannot choose A vs B vs C. It has to be mentioned as important by reliable sources, and should be notable, etc. For example, if we take Mohanam, we will have 100s of renditions on You Tube. Which one is considered as the "right one" to link? And who considers this as "appropriate"? If we talk of teacher's rendition - which teacher is considered to bring out the "right" example of Mohanam?
 * Hence there will be contention and also it is against Wikipedia guidelines. Please read external links guidelines as well as reliable sources, verifiability and notability concerns. I would suggest do not add ANY of them. Thanks. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 06:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

About inserting links for ragas
Hi,

Thanks for your quick reply. I understand your statement in that how do we know which is reputed and not? These videos are taught by acclaimed teachers who are well regarded in the field. They very clearly establish the rules of the raga and would be a great resource for students of music. Since these are music resources, audio and video would help people get a better idea. Is there a way that the background of the person teaching the video can be established as reputed and therefore there would be no issues differentiating this from thousands of other amateurs who start making videos without any substance?

Thanks Sowmya Acharya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sowacharya (talk • contribs) 07:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I think you do not understand the subtlety of the issue. The person can be acclaimed and notable. You will agree there are 1000s of acclaimed and notable teachers. For example, every top artiste who is a teacher in current scenario are notable - don't you agree. One person will say Shri P S Narayanaswami's rendition should be included, another will say Dr. Balamuralikrishna's is the right one, while a third person will say that Madurai T N Seshagopalan's is the right version. Now there is NO way we can stop edit wars when one starts plugging in personal preferences.


 * The problem is not with "acclaimed" - the requirement for an encyclopedia is that it should be a unique resource that adds value. No teacher can claim that they have the "right" and "unique" reason for their own rendition to be included in Wikipedia while there are 1000s should not qualify / be represented in Wikipedia. Do you agree?


 * For example, please go through Carnatic music page where we have wars about who should be included in the page and who should not. Who is considered the father of this music and how much relative importance should be given to other stalwarts? By including any You tube links you are only inviting edit wars.


 * Personally, if I notice such importance to one person out of 1000s of great people, I will "boldly" remove such material added to Ragam pages. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 09:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Winner of WikiProject India Tag & Assess 2014!

 * - thank you... you all know that this was in my to-do list and hence would have anyway happened. Thanks to your motivation I have done more and faster...  VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 02:51, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Once again, great work VasuVR, We'll try something different from a Tag & Assess the next time :) AshLin (talk) 03:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Undoing my edits on the articles of various ragas
Hello. Thanks for starting the Wikimusic project. I have noticed that you've been undoing my edits on all the Carnatic raga related articles. It seemed fair to me when you undid my first addition of a Thiruppugazh to the Hamsadhwani article, but your recent undoing of several of my edits seems unnecessary, especially considering that you have tagged it WP:UNDUE.

I notice that someone had a query regarding linking videos from youtube - possibly not CC-licensed and your reply to them, tells a lot about why you reverted my edits.

It is not encyclopaedic to add a specific person's links to Wikipedia as per Wikipedia guidelines. Each link should have encyclopaedic content, which is accepted as adding value to the article and without such "unique" information it would seem to lack some material. Clearly this is not unique links that you are planning to include. If that information is available in abundance, one cannot choose A vs B vs C. It has to be mentioned as important by reliable sources, and should be notable, etc. For example, if we take Mohanam, we will have 100s of renditions on You Tube. Which one is considered as the "right one" to link? And who considers this as "appropriate"? If we talk of teacher's rendition - which teacher is considered to bring out the "right" example of Mohanam? Hence there will be contention and also it is against Wikipedia guidelines. Please read external links guidelines as well as reliable sources, verifiability and notability concerns. I would suggest do not add ANY of them. Thanks.

In the above reply, while your point of uniqueness holds good, your opinion that links/music files don't have encyclopaedic content, and do not add value to an article if they are not unique seems flimsy, and is also detrimental to the progress of articles where audio files would be more useful than text. Carantic music can have no uniqueness, except for adherence to the underlying notation.

As far as I can see, WP:UNDUE is used to retain WP:NPOV. Can you please point out what is the minority view point I am trying to project when I link a music file that
 * Is not promoting anyone since it is picked randomly because it is CC-licensed, and it adheres to the unique notations that Carnatic music has in place?
 * Is not furthering or weakening any stance?
 * Is not representative of any view point at all?

Please also elaborate on why you think the weight added by the recordings is "undue", in your opinion? Personally, I would assume that someone interested in a composition by Poochi Srinivasa Iyengar would find a recording on the composition useful, especially when it adheres to the underlying notation. Such a recording would be of immense value especially in an article that mentions the varnam.

A varnam by Poochi Sreenivasa Iyengar in Mohanam is going to be largely the same, and resemble other recordings of the same varnam, and vary in small ways from other recordings of the same varnam, since the underlying notation satisfies your expectation of uniqueness. This is expected of any recording in Carnatic music, and is representative of such an aspect of Carnatic music. I want to emphasise once again that a recording of a certain composition adds more value to the article than simply naming the composition itself. - Aruna Sankaranarayanan 15:52, 27 June 2015 (UTC)


 * - you have good arguments, but let us simply go by Wikipedia guidelines. True that when I kept the "summary" of my edit short I gave the wrong tag of WP:UNDUE, while actually all those that you have quoted are the actual objections.


 * To be specific, anything included in an article needs to be from a "reliable source" (WP:RS), "notable" (WP:N) and "verifiable" (WP:V). In this case, we should look at which sources in the outside world have noted that these particular recordings are notable recordings of these particular musical scales? These sources who find the recordings to be notable should have brought it out in notable form - not a blog or newspaper article (which is a point of view of the author) - it has to be a paper, research book, etc. I am sure you can read up the guidelines of Wikipedia further.


 * You have misread the context of links/music being not encyclopedic - I have not said that. Please read the full sentence and get the context - it is the unique resource, in combination with acknowledgement as a notable and verifiable resource that such link/music represents the particular article, and has been sourced from 3rd party reviews or similar guidelines that qualify for notable reliable sources.


 * Yes, there is so much value in lots of things - but Wikipedia also needs to maintain its own standards, integrity, verifiable reliable information, etc.


 * Kindly provide sources where these have been reviewed by notable people and recorded in 3rd party sources as representative of a very good rendition of the said musical scales and/or songs. Hope this answers your queries.


 * VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 17:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. :) I am a little new to Wikipedia, so I hope you can clarify further.



To be specific, anything included in an article needs to be from a "reliable source" (WP:RS), "notable" (WP:N) and "verifiable" (WP:V).


 * What about photographs that are uploaded by amateurs to Commons then? How are they notable, reliable and not promoting a photographer's point of view? Do only famous photographers contribute to Commons? Why then do we have a different standard for musical recordings? Especially when the recording is of a good quality, and sticks to the underlying notation of the composition?



In this case, we should look at which sources in the outside world have noted that these particular recordings are notable recordings of these particular musical scales? These sources who find the recordings to be notable should have brought it out in notable form - not a blog or newspaper article (which is a point of view of the author) - it has to be a paper, research book, etc. I am sure you can read up the guidelines of Wikipedia further.


 * Earlier I have uploaded arohanams and avarohanams(Which I have since been reverting) - they are not notable(I am not notable) - but surprisingly none of them have been deleted so far. I have been deleting them myself as and when I find a suitable recording in that particular raga. I am assuming(and I may be wrong) that they weren't deleted because an arohanam/avarohanam is seen as being of unique, encyclopaedic value, while a composition is not.


 * Thanks for bringing up the point of the recordings having to be part of a research paper - most of my recordings were in fact part of a research publication. If you look at the source page of | Mohanam varnam, you'll notice the following sentence:


 * "This recording is made publicly available as part of the Carnatic Varnam dataset, from CompMusic project. If you use it in your work, please cite the following publication:


 * Koduri, G. K., Ishwar, V., Serrà, J., & Serra, X. (2014). Intonation analysis of rāgas in Carnatic music. Journal of New Music Research, 43(01), 73–94."


 * Does that change your stance in any way?


 * Aruna Sankaranarayanan 12:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * . You have valid points about media inclusions, with the comparison of photos to other media. Photos indeed are a bone of contention and people have edit wars over which photo should be used in the article. It is a pain and I have not participated in such edit wars to my knowledge. I have however removed audio/video links which most times were added by their related people (disciples, friends or sometimes the individuals themselves).


 * It is again to avoid the edit wars, from audio/video links perspective, that I have removed them in the past. With your citation mentioned above, I will have to change my stance to neutral. If no one reverts your addition, it would stay - we will have to try and see. If there are edit wars with others starting to proliferate additions without citations then we will have to address it at that time. Hope this clarifies my stance now. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 12:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * oh yay! So, can I go ahead and fix up those articles and add the media to them? Would adding the media to the talk pages and discussing them, be a good idea? :) - Aruna Sankaranarayanan 17:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I am not the owner of wikipedia. I just happened to initiate the Indian music project and have some passion in adding information on Carnatic music, but I am not an authority. We will do by consensus.
 * I think it may be best to discuss in another single forum that may be watched by a few people, especially, talk page of Carnatic music page. After a few days, if there is no comment, then you can go ahead for those which you feel are not trivial renditions (like you mentioned raga scales - arohana, avarohana).
 * Just one minor comment on the arohana / avarohana - since just singing the musical scale up and down does not really represent the ragams and there are lot of nuances in the rendering itself, adding arohana/avarohana renditions are actually misrepresentation of ragams in my opinion. For example, even if Kalyani and Shankarabharanam have only the Madhyama different, the renditions of vadi, samvadi swaras and also how differently Rishabham and Gandharam are treated in them makes important effect and shape to the ragams. Hence I had not included my renditions on keyboard at all - it is very amateur work. However I have provided them on my personal website. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 01:20, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure, thanks for taking the time to tell me all of this. :) I also think adding arohanam avarohanam makes no sense, but adding recordings itself in a certain raga makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe an alapanai or an RTP makes more sense than a song for a ragam page and adding recordings of compositions makes more sense for the pages of composers.

Increasing carnatic music files on Commons
Hi again! :) There's some progress since we spoke last regarding increasing the audio files on Commons. One of the nicest things I found was the compmusic channel on youtube that has several files(audio, lec-dems etc) which are all CC-licensed. I'd love to upload all of them to Commons, but I am wondering if there's a way to automate this. Would you happen to know of any automation script - even one I can modify - that takes videos from youtube and uploads them on to Commons? Aruna Sankaranarayanan 16:33, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I have not worked with any tools. Wish you all the best. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 16:34, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Please check this page and update if you can
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghdhanushya_%E2%80%94_The_Colour_of_Life

There is some update which can be helpful for uses Issue detail :

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REMOVED UNWANTED MATERIAL ON MY TALK PAGE

- - - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.241.145.248 (talk) 12:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I do not have the time to do any research or work in this area. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 15:02, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Happy end of year
Wish you a merry ending in Western calendar, and an auspicous Pausha. --Opus88888 (talk) 20:06, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you and wish you all a great 2016 ahead too. VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 04:32, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Asian 10,000 Challenge invite
Hi. The WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland The 10,000 Challenge and WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like South East Asia, Japan/China or India etc, much like The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Asian content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon which has produced near 200 articles in just three days. If you would like to see this happening for Asia, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Asia, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant! Thank you. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:53, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

List of rāgas in Indian classical music
You are right of course, my apologies for making this decision without first discussing it on the Talk page. I removed the category 'Carnatic Ragas', because the categories 'Jayna Ragas' and 'Melakarta Ragas' are already sub-categories of that Main category, so they appeared double and mixed. About the list, here also all ragas of the different categories were mixed up, making it hard to understand what belongs to what. I noticed that the Jayna ragas, Melakarta ragas and Sikh ragas already had their own lists on separate page, so to avoid duplications, my idea was to put only the ragas in Hindustani music on this page. This doesn't mean we can't put the rest back there of course. It also depends on if it is possible to determine if the ragas without their own page that I restored now under the header 'Other' can be categorized easily or not. Are they all Hindustani, or do they belong to different categories? Another idea I had was to change it to a sortable table, with one or more additional columns with some further classification (like morning, evening, associated deity etc.) Please let me know your thoughts. Wiki-uk (talk) 17:40, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are right that many ragas belong in lists that are subsets of the Indian classical music list. They also have categories. On the top of my head, I can't answer how this list can be enhanced - but agree that it has to be enhanced. Table format is good along with the type and other information. However, I will need more time to think over it, look into other attributes, before I can give an answer with sufficient weightage to your question. Thank you for responding quickly. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 17:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)