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Karoshi in microsoft
i tried to add a new section karoshi in microsoft wiki page but got undone automatically. i think ppl should know there was an employee died while employed at microsoft, his info : https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/rickyt/ http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Ricky-Tan&lc=4422&pid=162731727&mid=5401739 from google 'ricky tan microsoft' result 1, result 5. he died from heart attack while his wife was 8 months pregnant. his case looked similar to lead engineer of camry hybrid in toyota. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnon81 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


 * You should discuss such additions on the talk page first.  Calidum ¤   02:24, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

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An other CfR discussion for US city categories
There's a new Categories for Renaming discussion going on about categories of US cities listed in the AP Stylebook. As you have participated in at least one of the more recent discussions in the subject, you may want to participate in the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 17. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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Biography feedback requested
Your input is requested about an RFC regarding Donald Trump. Here is a link directly to that RFC. The lead of that biography currently says, "Many of his statements in interviews, on Twitter, and at campaign rallies have been controversial." The RFC proposes to insert the words "or false" at the end of that sentence. Thank you in advance for participating. If you have the time, there is a second RFC at that talk page which proposes to instead add the words "or hyperbolic".Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:49, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. I'll give them a look.  Calidum ¤   03:23, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

A discussion you may be interested in
I have just made a new nomination for renaming categories for those U.S cities where the article doesn't include the state name. Since you participated in a recent discussion about this, you may want to express your opinion at Categories for discussion/Log/2016 September 6. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:16, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up.  Calidum ¤   02:03, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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American Revolutionary War and Allies of World War II
First of all, The american revolution did not take place in Gibraltar, balearic islands, Indian ocean nor any place outside the new world, these other theaters took place in their own right unrelated to the battles of the revolution. Second, the Soviet union provided more combatants and casualties in the entire war. This is what we've been through since we've talked since British empire. Patriotism should NOT outweigh historical accuracy. If you look at other Wikipedia pages in the other languages, you'll see no regions of the old world mentioned in the article of the same topic, the english wikipedia is the only one due to historical misinterpretation. (N0n3up (talk) 05:22, 15 November 2016 (UTC))

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Deflategate
Oops. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarl N. (talk • contribs)
 * You're welcome.  <font color="#4863A0">Calidum <font color="#A18648">¤   06:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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Sign up here too!
I noticed that you signed up for the United States 50,000 Challenge, and you put in your summary that you would also contribute New England articles. If you didn't know, there is a sub-challenge devoted to just covering New England, including Massachuttess, where your userpage says you live in. Check it out and help it reach it's 5,000 goal!&mdash; JJ Be  rs  &#124;  ta  lk  18:01, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Will do, thanks.  <font color="#4863A0">Calidum <font color="#A18648">¤   18:26, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

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DRN case
Dispute_resolution_noticeboard This edit war has lasted 12 years. Time to compromise. Thank you. Lakeshake (talk) 21:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There was no edit war until you butted in, and now that you're losing on the talk page you've forum shopped.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  21:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Only one forum was used, DRN. That is not forum shopping. This disagreement is over 12 years old and has never been discussed at DRN, ANI, RFC, AC, or anywhere else. Lakeshake (talk) 23:58, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's forum shopping to turn to DRN after the talk page discussion doesn't go your way. Good to see the DRN thread is headed in the same direction.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  19:10, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

ACE 2016
Well, I'm sorry that you didn't make it onto the committee. But congrats on an exemplary performance. If my analysis of previous election results is correct, you are the first user that was never an admin to crack the 50% mark, which also means your performance was the best a never-sysop has achieved. I really do hope a nonadmin will be elected someday. Better luck next year? Altamel (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I honestly didn't expect to win or cross the 50 percent threshold, so it's nice that I did one of them. I doubt I'll run again, but hopefully my showing will encourage other non admins to step up to the plate.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  19:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Politics of China
Hello Calidum. I just saw that Talk:Politics_of_China was closed. This could benefit from a bit more discussion (regardless of the ultimate outcome). Would you mind reopening and relisting this? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think consensus was pretty clear against the requested move. Similar move requests here, here, here and here have already failed, so I don't think consensus would change at the one in question.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  15:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I would have preferred a better discussion. A decision taken after a thorough discussion is more helpful. For example at Talk:Flag_of_China, the consensus was pretty tight (8 opposes vs 6 supports). That was after being relisted twice. In this particular case, I see 3 supports and 4 opposes. Considering that recently left a message at WP:CHINA, it would have benefited from a bit more discussion. Similar move requests for places in the Western countries (such as at Talk:New York/July 2016 move request) are usually left open for a much longer time. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:10, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The length of time another RM was left open doesn't have much relevance to the discussion in question. The arguments given in opposition to the move (WP:COMMONNAME and the name of the main article) were far stronger than those raised in support.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  21:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, I disagree. I pointed out that the country and the country's politics are different. Also, consistency is very tricky. George Ho (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The consistency is a tricky argument here. I mean we have History of the People's Republic of China and History of China. Similarly while we have President of Ireland while the country article is at Republic of Ireland. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Flag of China
What about this discussion? The whole consensus is divided, yet you closed it as "not moved". --George Ho (talk) 22:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Same rationale as above applies. Not entirely sure what your question here is, but if you're arguing it should have been closed as "no consensus" rather than "not moved," that's really just a semantically argument.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  03:04, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Won't hurt changing it to "no consensus" and amending rationale, will it? George Ho (talk) 06:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, how should the endless ROC vs PROC ranting, tiresome it may be, affect this decision? George Ho (talk) 06:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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DC Extended Universe
Hi. Can you participate on the discussion of the talk page of DC Extended Universe about The Batman heading? The user Forty.4 simply don't accept the consensous. Greetings.OscarFercho (talk) 05:10, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was going to, though I don't know how much it will matter.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  05:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

DRN
The DRN recommends mediation of the Harry S Truman issue. Please indicate that you are willing to participate. Otherwise, I will assume that you are refusing. Please don't refuse.

Thank you. Lakeshake (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Please don't refuse to abide by the consensus on the talk page. There is no reason to escalate this to mediation simply because you disagree.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  01:06, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It is a false claim to say that there is consensus. Please consider agreeing to mediation. Please do not refuse. Lakeshake (talk) 18:48, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You're trolling, right? Five people have expressed a preference for the status, and yet you claim there is no consensus. I suggest you read up on what consenus actually means, because clearly you don't.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  19:13, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

You and me
Seems to me that your remarks indicate your not having good terms with me. Before I say something about you, have I done anything wrong? --George Ho (talk) 06:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's nothing personal, but you do have a pattern of pushing forward move requests for (to me) specious reasons, the Exile on Main St. one being a good example. I would suggest you slow down the number of move requests you make; I count 21 open requests at this moment where you're the nominator. That's a lot. I'm fairly active at RMs and I'm not sure I've made 21 nominations total.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  13:26, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Re-reading my nominations, I still have good reasons to make RMs. Most of titles are either messy or undeserved challenged were either unstable, poorly stable, or something like that . Discussing titles with others... Must I ask the person responsible to change it back? Would that be necessary? I thought bold revert is more preferable to long windy discussions. --George Ho (talk) 19:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC); edited --20:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, using the second-narration implies your blaming on me for... my trying to make discussions rules or something? I read the ArbCom case about title rules. Seems to me that... my trying to do the right thing would not prevent backlashes or something. Also, conceding is not the same as cooperating or mutual agreement. Nevertheless, conceding... isn't it the same as defeat? --George Ho (talk) 19:50, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to be rude here, but I don't have a clue about what point you are trying to make. I offered you some advice -- slow down with the RMs -- but it doesn't seem you're willing to consider it.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  01:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, maybe I will... somehow. It's just... either title discussions are often unstable and messy, or edit warring on titles is confusing readers. I'm doing my best to put others before myself... somehow. I must organize myself first before making any more RMs. What shall I do to a very empty talk page? Make a discussion and wait for people to come around? Or shall I notify people? George Ho (talk) 02:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Speaking of making a point, I'm going to take two philosophy courses, logic (or philosophical logic) and symbolic logic. I'm told to be clear in my arguments or face concerns about my arguments. Maybe both of those courses would help me improve my arguments... unless there are other ways. I have not backlashed much, though I get in heated talks. George Ho (talk) 02:24, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Speaking of titles, I asked one of Arbitrators about an ArbCom case. Should I ask one of Arbs directly, or shall I go to WP:ARCA? George Ho (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I want to do something about this title: Something's Gotta Give (song). However, I am doing my best to tone down requests. How many open RM discussions at a time shall I retain? George Ho (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say there is a limit, really. Just make sure you think an article should be moved because of WP:AT and related pages (and maybe give yourself a quick refresher on them). Another thing is to consider is making technical requests at WP:RMTR -- not everything needs a full-blown discussion.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  03:58, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I went bold and then disambiguated it by adding "Johnny Mercer". I'll change the links soon. George Ho (talk) 04:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

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Great Seal of the Realm
Hi Calidum,

You undid my contribution on the Great Seal of the Realm.

Can you please explain your reason?

The Great Seal of the Realm was not the Great Seal of England prior to the Union. The Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of Great Britain. The Great Seal of England was the Great Seal of the Kingdom of England and the Great Seal of Scotland was the Great Seal of the Kingdom of Scotland. The Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of both Scotland and England. It is a paradox situation as both Scotland and England were separate Kingdoms but part of the same Realm.

Meenmore (talk) 08:33, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Because it's poorly written. Some of that stuff can be incorporated into the article just not the very first sentence.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  13:39, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The previous lead paragraph is inconsistent with ANNA DEI GRATIA MAGNÆ BRITANNIÆ FRANCIÆ ET HIBERNIÆ REGINA FID[EI] DEFENSOR Anne, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France and Ireland, Queen, Defender of the Faith. The Great Seal of the Realm was called ANNA DEI GRATIA MAGNÆ BRITANNIÆ FRANCIÆ ET HIBERNIÆ REGINA FID[EI] DEFENSOR. The claim that the Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of England is contrary to the actual content of the Great Seal of the Realm of that era. I suggest we both edit my contribution to reach a proper lead paragraph. Meenmore (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I suggest you learn how to write before attempting to do so, and stop being so vexatious.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  18:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I am from the United Kingdom. You are from the United States. I suggest we both edit my contribution to reach a proper lead paragraph. The lead paragraph is inconsistent with the body of the article. You believe the Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of England prior to the Treaty and Acts of Union. This belief is incorrect, the Great Seal of the Realm was the Great Seal of Great Britain prior to the Treaty of Union. It is a paradox situation. The Realm included both the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England. The Realm was known as Great Britain. Meenmore (talk) 02:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with the history, and our nationalities have nothing to do with this discussion.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  02:09, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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ANI
I mentioned about your behavior on ANI but I specifically asked readers to ignore the person, just comment on the behavior. FYI. Lakeshake (talk) 21:32, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I reverted your edit to User talk:DrKay
Hi Calidum. I'm leaving you this note because I had to perform a manual reversion of your edit to User talk:DrKay. Deleting other users' comments on someone else's talk page is contrary to WP:TPG and is specifically covered in WP:NOBAN with a reference to the aforementioned guideline. If you think that the user is canvassing or "extorting" someone, you are welcome to file a case at WP:ANI. Censoring somebody else's talk page is not the appropriate response. Please let me know if you have any questions! Alex Eng <small style="font-size:80%;">( TALK ) 22:10, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your reply at ANI, where I posted a note saying I now understand where you were coming from. Alls well, carry on NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:31, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I admittedly was frustrated and probably overreacted some.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  02:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:American Idol (season 11)
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About Tampopo/Tanpopo and/or In ictu oculi

 * In ictu oculi
 * In ictu oculi
 * In ictu oculi
 * In ictu oculi

I don't know what to do about Tanpopo (band), Tanpopo (disambiguation), and Tampopo (film) without being bold. I have an urge to move boldly and then do the RMs. However, I can't without discussing this with you. Look at stats. Seems that 'm' and 'n' is distinguishable enough, no?

Also, Tampopo/Tanpopo is not the only case. Look at the page move In ictu oculi causes. I don't know how much cleanup I can make. I tried talking to him, but he personally made a comment about me at my user talk page and told me that he doesn't want to collaborate with me. I don't know whether to take this to ANI or AN, but my reputation is on the line. I have to be cautious about my next move. I tried Ss112, but he sounded almost reluctant to take this to ANI and to talk to IIO. What else shall I do?

On the note, I don't think IIO means any harm. I don't think IIO was exactly harmful to the project. Maybe he needs to be careful also. --George Ho (talk) 19:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Wait... I have a thought. What if I can take this to WT:WPDAB? They can handle the situation, right? George Ho (talk) 20:16, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I really don't know enough about the articles in question to give much of an opinion. As for IIO, I think my thoughts on him are clear from our past interactions.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  15:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Somehow, IIO removed the dabs and reverted the titles back to where they were. However, shall we discuss IIO at the WikiProject discussion? ANI is out of option for now. George Ho (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the heads up. Looks like everything has been taken care of.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  02:50, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Politics of Taiwan
I want to discuss the redirect page "Politics of Taiwan" at RFD. I'm planning to retarget it to History of Taiwan. However, if I take this to RFD, would I reignite the the China/Taiwan vs. official name debate? Shall I propose this? --George Ho (talk) 10:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally I'm not too sure about the idea; you'd have a tough time getting consensus to make such a move.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  06:30, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Shall I do the discussion anyway? --George Ho (talk) 06:33, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to try, but I doubt it would pass.  <font color="#FFFDD0">Calidum  06:48, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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