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Please elaborate on this edit. The deceased has articles in ten languages. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 04:46, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Turkish and Dutch ones were both created after his death, which puts the number under 10.  Hot Stop  04:51, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Why do I even bother editing if everything is just reverted by a troll mod/BOT? I cleaned up a mess under the roster section of the New England Patriots but as you reverted it it seemed to fix itself...I wish I could explain more, but I have no idea what the point of that all was. All I know is it was messed up, so I deleted it thinking some troll just left junk there. As it was reverted it was fixed... Theroux721 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 18 January 2014

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Mosquito County closure
I see that yesterday you performed a non-admin closure of the move request for the Moquito County article, but I think there's good reason to see that closure as problematic and inappropriate, and would ask that you please consider reverting it.

Firstly, closures should be undertaken by objective editors who are uninvolved in the subject under debate. In this case, the subject was the appending of the state to the title of a US geographic article covered by the USPLACE convention... and you've previously participated in multiple USPLACE debates on that very point (e.g., 2012, 2013), taking a strong position against the convention, and in particular against its requirement to append the state to certain US place titles. It should be clear that for someone who's publicly taken a strong stance against a convention to then close a request centering on that very same convention raises serious concerns about conflict of interest.

Secondly, your closure provided no rationale. In this case, it seemed that none of the opposing minority advanced any reason for why this one particular county should be exempted from the convention when all others follow it, but instead mostly made broader statements like "concise is policy", which ignores the fact that all five naming criteria (including conciseness) have already been discussed and weighed a number of times at USPLACE... and there's been no consensus to change the convention (as I noted). Closers must evaluate arguments and give due consideration to the consensus of the broader community, and you provided no indication that that was done in this case.

I again strongly urge you to withdraw your closure. Thanks, ╠╣uw [ talk ] 13:50, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I won't be withdrawing my close. In my opinion, there was no consensus to move the article from its well established title. Both sides of the argument (those citing CONCISE and those USPLACE) both made valid points. And the fact that you had to dig through two years of my edits in a pathetic attempt to discredit me just shows me how weak your argument is. Take me to MR if you'd like. I'm not sure you'll be happy with the result.  Hot Stop   16:23, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * There's no need for accusations about "pathetic attempts to discredit" anyone. I just wanted to come to you first and raise what I think are very valid concerns: that you didn't explain your closure, and that (since you've already chosen to stake a clear public position on USPLACE) it's a conflict of interest for you to close a USPLACE-based move request.
 * I ask that you please reconsider withdrawing your closure, and allow another editor unconnected to the USPLACE debates to consider the request. Thanks,  ╠╣uw [ talk ]  17:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Were this move to be reopened as you request, I or another admin would just need to close it again for the same rationale as the existing closure. Let's move on. Andrewa (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for those links, and for posting them at the article talk page where they are very relevant.


 * But I don't think they are relevant here. If we were to pursue this line of argument to its logical conclusion, anyone who ever commented on major policy decisions would then need to be de-sysoped and/or disqualified from admin, oversight, arbcom etc. functions, on the grounds that they then are involved in any discussion that depends on these policies. Clearly that's not practical! Andrewa (talk) 18:52, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Andrewa: Thanks for the response, but please note that no one's talking about admin disqualification, arbcom, etc. In a nutshell, it's inappropriate for someone who's previously argued strongly in multiple public debates against the convention to close a request that's so closely tied to it.  It suggests conflict of interest.
 * Per WP:RMCI, "if any question of conflict of interest does arise, the best solution is for the potentially conflicted editor to recuse him or herself from closing the discussion, and leave it to someone who is more clearly neutral." Given Hot Stop's vocal opposition in previous debates, I suggest that's appropriate here.  ╠╣uw [ talk ]  19:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * So, you are appealing to Requested moves/Closing instructions? The only clause I can see that might justify this is the rather vague one Conflicts of interest may arise, or appear to arise, in many ways, and it is good to be alert to these possible circumstances. It seems a bit of a stretch to me to go from there to saying that a person who has previously expressed an opinion on a policy or guideline matter can't then express the same opinion in an RM to which the policy or guideline is relevant.


 * And if that's true, then surely they are equally entitled not to be involved in that particular discussion, and therefore to be elligible to act as closer? To disqualify them from this is not the intent of this section at all, as I read it. And I note that there's no mention of involvement in policy/guideline discussions either past or even ongoing at WP:RMNAC which is the section immediately following this one, and the other half of WP:RMCI.


 * My mention of arbcom etc. was I admit something of a straw man, I just wanted to highlight the consequences of where you seemed (and still seem to me) to be heading.


 * And in any case, bear in mind that I came to this as an uninvolved admin, and came to the conclusion that had it not been already closed as it was, I would have done so with the same rationale.


 * And you could have appealed that close too. But I think we need to move on. Andrewa (talk) 19:50, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * AndrewA, participating in a discussion with an opinion is one thing. That's expected. But coming in and closing it is essentially a supervote, since this editor has a clear position on this subject. It was inappropriate. Omnedon (talk) 20:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Disagree that it's a supervote. The whole point is, it's not a vote at all. That is important.


 * Do you really think there was any hope of consensus? If not, surely it was a valid rationale, and a valid close? Andrewa (talk) 23:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * AndrewA: Please don't misrepresent my position. Like any of us, Hot Stop is entirely free and welcome to "express an opinion" on this topic – and he has in previous debates, strongly opposing the convention.  Closing is what's at issue.  It's inadvisable for someone who's vocally asserted a strong public position on a topic like this to then attempt to act as an impartial closer in matters related to it.


 * When I said saying that a person who has previously expressed an opinion on a policy or guideline matter can't then express the same opinion in an RM to which the policy or guideline is relevant that was an intermediate step. I wasn't accusing you of saying it. You could argue by contraposition that I was saying that you should think that too, in order to be consistent. But I wasn't saying you do think that. I was quite confident that you don't. Andrewa (talk) 23:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * To perhaps make it a bit clearer, consider: would I be an appropriate choice to non-admin-close the next USPLACE-related move request that comes along so long as I don't actually participate in the discussion? No.  Like Hot Stop, I've made my position clear in previous debates and (again like Hot Stop) could not reasonably be considered an uninvolved editor on this topic.


 * It depends. If it was a WP:pointy close, or if there were even a suspicion of that, then it would be inadvisable. But this one doesn't seem pointy to me. It seems quite valid, as I said in the first place, and the extra rationale above seems to settle any doubt of that. I think we need to assume good faith in the lack of any evidence to the contrary.
 * As for someone with no connection to all of this (neither you nor I nor HS, at this point) coming along and examining the request and offering a closure with a clear rationale, that'd be fine. It's what I recommend.


 * Exactly why are you disqualifying me too as a potential closer? I'm fascinated. Andrewa (talk) 23:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Anyway, if you feel differently on any of this, that's fine. I really don't want an argument, I simply wanted to voice my concerns to Hot Stop in good faith and try to seek a constructive solution.  (Unfortunately, his less-than-civil reply has dampened that hope...)  ╠╣uw [ talk ]  20:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Having (falsely I believe) accused me of misrepresentation, you can hardly complain of a less-than-civil reply, in my opinion. And I don't want an argument either. Andrewa (talk) 23:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Having made a civil request of Hot Stop on what I felt were legitimate grounds, he's unfortunately rejected that and is not participating in this conversation, so it's probably best to conclude this thread. Thanks,  ╠╣uw [ talk ]  00:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree that this thread should cease. Their current non-participation is entirely justified. They have replied to you, and pointed out that once the possibility of reversing the close has been discussed here the next step is to open a move review - as the guidelines clearly state. My opinion (and theirs as stated above if I understand it) is that neither this nor reopening the move will produce consensus to move. If you disagree with this then you should now go to MR, and if not then there was never any point in this thread. Andrewa (talk) 13:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

In all honesty I didn't respond only because I was away from internet access the last 24 hours. Being asked to justify my decision doesn't bother me. (And I was probably a little too harsh in my prior comment.)

Regardless, I don't plan to change my mind and would welcome a more thorough review of the decision at MR if that's desired. In the end, I think anyone who sees a consensus to move the article is simply counting votes, which we don't do.  Hot Stop  16:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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There is a man going around scamming local businesses into believing he is a non-profit radio/tv station, "MVPBS". He takes money for advertising that never materializes on his non-existent stations. Sadly, such scams are a common thing that island businesses have to contend with every spring alongside the coming tourist season.

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User:Macktheknifeau
Hi Calidum. I noticed your message here. Was it addressed to me rather than to User:Macktheknifeau? If it was I would be happy to discuss the matter but would rather discuss it here than on another user's talk page. --John (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It was at you. I see an issue when an editor has managed to edit Wikipedia for 7+ years with a clean block log, only to have one admin issue a series of escalating blocks over the course of a couple months. If his edits were truly disruptive, someone else could've indeffed him.  Calidum  Talk To Me 20:53, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment then. WP:INVOLVED says "...an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, ...is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area. This is because one of the roles of administrators is precisely to deal with such matters, at length if necessary. Warnings, calm and reasonable discussion and explanation of those warnings, advice about community norms, and suggestions on possible wordings and approaches do not make an administrator 'involved'." and I think I am well within both the letter and the spirit of that at the moment. I have only blocked this user very reluctantly because he seems unable to change his behaviour, which is in various ways disruptive to the project. However if you can find anywhere where you think I have been unfair specifically in the admin actions I have performed in respect of User:Macktheknifeau I would be very keen to see it. If you have any other questions I am happy to answer them. --John (talk) 22:02, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I hate advocating for other users (especially one I admittedly don't know), but I do feel an indef block is over the top here. But him or others pursue an appeal, if they wish.  Calidum  Talk To Me 22:55, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I appreciate that you take an interest in the matter and that you wish fairness to prevail. Please feel free to read the history at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia) where I went in as a completely uninvolved admin responding to shenanigans at AN/I and have certainly tried very hard to be neutral. If there's anything there, ever, which gives you pause or raises your hackles, please ping me here or at my talk. And let me add I admire that you would stick your neck out for someone being blocked. Earlier today I helped negotiate an unblock from an indef and it was one of my finest moments on here. Take care, --John (talk) 21:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks so much
Hey I'd just like to say thanks for the help on the move of the article Jaylene Redhead... 173.176.113.118 (talk) 13:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)JJTM2014
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Recent removal
Hey, just got your message about a recent removal from Richard Sherman. I can see why that reference appears promotional considering they were built into an infographic on the page. I'll try to make sure my future edits have a much cleaner source. But can you clarify why the citation for Madden NFL 15 was removed? In regards to the new gameplay trailer released. Thanks mate! P.S. Full Transparency I do run and own the site. It covers Madden from a journalistic perspective nearly year-round. DLight03 (talk) 13:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you being straight forward and saying you own the site, but that's the issue here. Per WP:SELFPROMOTE and WP:SELFCITE, it's generally considered a conflict of interest to cite your own work in an article. The reliable source noticeboard may be a place to seek information about whether your site is considered a reliable source for Madden articles.  Calidum  Talk To Me 14:05, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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your poutine edits made the post way less accurate
source: i'm a born and raised montrealer and a trained chef.

some of the things you reverted back to were quasi-accurate, ie just accurate-ish to get away with it, but i put down a more precise post. not sure what your motivation would be aside from preventing trolls but, yeah, i'm for real. here's the second part of it:

Sauce or gravy (in Canada outside of Quebec): Traditionally, a light and thin stock with a base of chicken, veal, or turkey combined with a roux and mildly spiced, with a hint of pepper. The sauce brune common to most poutine in Quebec is a combination of beef and chicken stock. Broadly, a poutine sauce should be thin enough to filter easily down into the mass of fries and cheese curds. Mass market and factory-made poutine sauces (mélange à sauce poutine) are sold in Quebec, Ontario, and Maritime grocery stores in jars or cans and in powdered mix packets. Recently, some outlets have begun to offer a vegetarian gravy as an option to cater to vegetarians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.94.29.63 (talk • contribs)


 * I would advise you to find a reliable source to base your edits on. You may be a chef, but personal experience isn't enough to go off of.  Calidum  Talk To Me 02:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Henry Grossman and Paul McCartney 2012 book
Hi Calidium. Could you please have a look at the references and provide your opinion about inclusion of the following text in the Beatles article? Note the NY Times and CBS 60 Minutes sources:


 * Also in 2012 Henry Grossman and Paul McCartney published Places I Remember: My Time with the Beatles, revealing more than 1000 previously unpublished photographs.
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/arts/music/henry-grossmans-photos-of-the-beatles.html
 * http://www.cbsnews.com/news/capturing-history-jfk-beatles

Thanks, TheProfessor (talk) 04:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This would be better off discussed at Talk:The Beatles.  Calidum Talk To Me 04:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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yo dawg, why you delete meh page. It stated that Tom Watson is a lad and u go head and delete it, it is true Tom Watson is a lad and the sickest lad out man!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir swagalot69 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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Stingray
Hey, I just figured out how to send you a note. So please reverse my Undo on the Stingray page (didn't know how to send you a note otherwise).

I think there are two questions being discussed on whether to include the people in charge And I disagree with your comment that I am the only one pushing this. Two of us have stated in favor for inclusion. Three people have stated against. And one person said it is relevant but the sourcing is problematic. My own opinion is the relevance is pretty clear (see last statement). But the sourcing is tricky. The last sources I posted in response to comments showed direct responsibility - but I think that is only about 70% of the way there.

As for WP-SPA, I am not active here. But I think this issue is interesting (I don't really have a clear opinion on it). And I know alot about corporate info and sources (am in public company business). So when people respond, I go get more information. A pretty fun discussion I think. Cheers.Pepsifree11 (talk) 15:54, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've commented at BLPN as to why it shouldn't be included.  Calidum Talk To Me 21:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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Please do not change WW2 article again. The fact is Wikipedia is predominately edited by USA. I am not at all suggesting this is biased action. However the reasons on the talk page are not valid. This is why I have taken the liberty of giving you the facts.
 * UK joined before US and Soviet Union
 * If it wasn't for UK encouragement USA would likely not of joined WW2.
 * UK participated in more individual stages of the war.
 * The Battle of Britain is widely considered the turning point for the Allies and the star of the fall of the Axis.
 * UK is why Australia, New Zealand, Canada and British India joined WW2. Without them Allies would of probably lost.
 * UK was primary contributer on D-Day (UK was on every beach and Naval Support for Omaha.)
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Thank you, please don not change again WARNER one 9999 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WARNER one (talk • contribs) 13:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Your claims are so outrageous I can't help but think you're trolling here.  Calidum Talk To Me 16:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Nothing to My Name
It's closed as "no consensus", so how many months must I re-propose it? --George Ho (talk) 06:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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Soliciting comment...
Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman, and the criteria is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 22:16, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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