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Ways to improve Bentley Run (South Branch French Creek tributary)
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Thanks for creating Bentley Run (South Branch French Creek tributary)! I edit here too, under the username Lefcentreright and it's nice to meet you :-)

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I will make sure to add the categories to the talk pages when creating the articles. I did not realize that they needed to be added. Thank you for letting me know.Veg Mapper (talk) 22:22, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But to be clear, they do not need to be added, but it is usually a good thing. Keep up the good work.  Onel 5969  TT me 22:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Stepp Branch (Swannanoa River tributary)
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Ways to improve Beetree Creek (Swannanoa River tributary)
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Stream article titles
I’ve noticed you have been creating a lot of articles about creeks and streams lately. Many of the titles do not need disambiguation if they are the only stream with that name. For example, East Branch Christina River does not need to be titled East Branch Christina River (Christina River tributary) as it is likely the only river with that name.  Dough   4872   22:55, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

--I see your point and I guess I was adding the disambiguation out of habit and consistent clarity. I checked Christina River on GNIS (USGS), and it is the only river of this name in the United States. Looking further, there is another Christina River in the Province of Alberta, Canada that is a tributary of the Clearwater River. I am not sure of any others around the world, but it is plausible that there may be one in Sweden since Christina (the river's namesake) was a Queen of Sweden. However, it is probably not likely that there is a branch relating to a cardinal point of the compass.

Thank you for pointing out the issue of disambiguations. I will check my previous articles using GNIS and a broader Google search to see if disambiguation is needed or not. In addition, checking on the Christina River, I found that it is the only river of this name in the United States and potentially one of two in the world. This is an interesting factoid for the Christina River article, but other articles as well that share this same fact. Thank you again. Veg Mapper (talk) 23:23, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation entries
Hi, when adding an entry for a disambiguation page, please only include one blue link. 14:53, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Links to DAB pages
Hi Veg Mapper, I noticed that a few articles about creeks you have created recently (Laniers Creek, Crow Creek (Uwharrie River tributary), Little Fisher River and Cooks Creek (Fisher River tributary)) all include links to New Hope, North Carolina, which is a disambiguation page, since there are multiple. I can't quite figure out which New Hope is meant in each article, but you probably know - could you fix it? Lennart97 (talk) 18:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

, Thank you very much for pointing out this error. I changed the Cooks Creek and Little Fisher River to New Hope, Surry County, North Carolina, and removed the links to the other two (Crow Creek and Laniers Creek) since they did not exist as articles. I was wondering if there is a way to find these errors, as I fear there could be more that I mistakenly made. However, I will be aware of the possibility of this in the future. Thank you again. Veg Mapper (talk) 03:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)Veg Mapper


 * No problem at all! One tool you could use is this DAB solver. All you have to do is type the name of an article you want to check, and it will tell you whether it contains any DABlinks. If you then click 'fix', you can even see exactly where in the article those links are!Lennart97 (talk) 11:20, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh by the way, Crow Creek (Uwharrie River tributary) still has one DABlink to New Hope, the one in the infobox. :) Lennart97 (talk) 11:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Infoboxes and article bodies
Hi, I'm loving to see all the rivers coming into EN Wikipedia such as Little Sewickley Creek. I'm interested in tools for generating Infoboxes. I was curious if you are using a tool or custom script to create the infoboxes from external data given the extent the infobox is filled and consistency across the articles you've created. I'm thinking the data may be from a combination of your references, but that's a guess and it would be good to make it explicit in body text with citations which values come from what sources. It is my understanding the infobox are summary information of what is present in the body of the article so its kind of odd to get structured data that isn't in the article with a reference. I recommend altering the article template structure you're following to include the content from the infobox in the body articles. I'm working on Infoboxes across Lakes and Rivers so I love the rich infoboxes, but would like to build more consistency of experience across the article space... even stubs. If you're using a tool, you might also be interested in Wikidata to start with an import which would allow linking each fact to its source with more structure then build an article and Infobox out with that. Happy to talk on that more if it sounds of interest. :) Wolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 04:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I do not have a tool or script for the infoboxes or the articles. I get my data mainly from three sources:

1. US EPA Waters Geoviewer (stream lengths, discharge, and drainage area). 2. US Board of Geographic Names (official names of the streams, variant names, and mouth/source coordinates). 3. USGS Topoview Maps: Elevations of the mouth and source and locations of both.

Sometimes I will look at additional sources if there are naming conflicts or mapping errors in order to resolve them.

As far as the process; I get the data from the websites above and then enter them into a notebook. Once all of the data is obtained I then copy a similar article that includes the infobox and article text and enter the new data manually for the new river/stream. I am hoping that the created “stubs” will serve as a starting point for a larger article on each watercourse.

On Wikidata, I have often thought that this would be a good place to have some of the watercourse data. However, I am unsure of how to do it. I would definitely be interested in working together in trying to build more consistency in the articles.--Veg Mapper (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for sharing your process and sources its pretty awesome. Having the information in the rivers infobox allows for using tools like PyWikiBot's harvest_templates.py to extract the information to Wikidata (I haven't used this yet.). I used a USGS GNIS dump in 2018 to create a GNIS import match to Wikidata via Mix-n-Match and working through resolving the GNIS streams to what have and do not yet have WikiData items would allow importing GNIS in a batch. I'm exploring workflows that will detect changes to GNIS to alert for need of changes in Wikidata and linked articles. There is a need to get an update dump in Mix-N-Match since some corrections and changes are made since I first explored the import process for the matcher, I've been focused on Lakes and just getting started with streams. I just finished dual tagging rivers and geographic wikiprojects to all the articles in EN Wikipedia. Next steps are to add some of the tools to the Wikiproject Rivers like are found in WikiProject Lakes to help with more overview of the article coverage to look at how consistent they are with different types of information. One area might be adding more validation and tracking categories to the infoboxes to find those without core information fields and in a similar format. What are your thoughts on any of this? Wolfgang8741 says: If not you, then who? (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I think the approach described and used for Wikiproject Lakes would be great to use with the rivers/streams. Just let me know how to add the validation and tracking categories and what the information format is.  I should be able to add these to those infoboxes I am creating, those I have created, and to those, I come across.  It would appear that the PyWikiBot, as far as the locations, would require a more "singular location" for the source and mouth (perhaps a coordinate or more generalized location).  I have generally used a vector from a fixed location, for instance about x miles southwest of Y.  One thing I have encountered with GNIS, though very rare (maybe mid-single digits) are duplications of the same stream.  When I have encountered this problem, I take the one that matches the course of the other two sources, other than GNIS.  I think in a couple of cases the duplication was the same stream course in both cases.  However, these errors are quite rare.  To conclude, I am interested in helping out and I think it would greatly enhance the data being used across the wiki projects.Veg Mapper (talk) 20:09, 5 December 2020 (UTC)Veg Mapper

WikiProject Rankings
Hi I was wondering when you do your NC rankings for all of the streams, can you try to also make sure that the importance is low for the US part of it Bigmike2346 (talk) 20:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I noticed that for awhile you had been changing some of the talk pages. I did not know that the talk pages were missing some of the attributes.  I will endeavor to make sure that all of the attributes are filled in on the stream talk pages.  Thank you for pointing out the omission.Veg Mapper (talk) 19:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

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Suggestion regarding stream order
I noticed you include stream order info in your stream articles. However, as many readers may be unfamiliar with the concept of stream order, I suggest you include a piped link to the article Stream order. I made such a change in the article Little Fisher River. Thanks for you contributions on the subject of streams and rivers to Wikipedia. Safiel (talk) 05:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Safiel::Sorry it took me so long to respond. I have had a web design job to attend to. The point you make above is a good one and I have started putting in a link to stream order on my new articles and those that I go back to for editing. For a while, I also thought about adding stream level as well, but did not since it might be too confusing for some. Thank you for the suggestion, the compliment, and I wish you a good week. --Veg Mapper (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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Minor formatting glitches in your edits
Hello, thanks for your edits to add census data. I thought you should know about these minor formatting problems with your edits; they'll be fixed by automated tools eventually, but it'd probably be better to incorporate these changes into any further census updating or reference adding you do. Graham 87 08:05, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Graham87,
 * Thank you for letting me know about the formatting. Is there a way to reformat the webpage citation dropdown to use the correct date format?  Also how do you do the long dash for year range?  I tried a double dash, but it did not work.  It just showed the two dashes. Veg Mapper (talk) 13:51, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * Since 2017 User Veg Mapper has been editing articles about the smaller streams and tributaries in the Mid-Atlantic states of the U.S. His mainspace edits number over 10000. Not surprisingly, he is an active participant at WikiProject Rivers. Recently he has been adding census and population figures to various articles on U.S. towns and municipalities, improving their informative value. Some might say, "It's the little things that count". They would be right. These type of editors make Wikipedia "hum".

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 * Buster7, Thank you very much for selecting me for Editor of the Week. It is an honor to be able to help with Wikipedia and provide people with the information they need.  I definitely enjoy being part of the effort.  Hope you have a great weekend. Veg Mapper (talk) 15:11, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on being chosen Editor of the Week!!!! SPF121188  (talk this way) (my edits) 18:54, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * Buster, Hope you had a Happy Holiday Season and I wish you a very Happy New Year! Thank you for thinking of me.  Sorry I did reply sooner.  I took a break from editing during most of December to work on my websites. Veg Mapper (talk) 04:53, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

OVERLINKING
Hi, thanks for your contributions. Please remember not to link commonly known country-names, and not to write "1st order", but "first-order". That will save my having to fix all of your new articles. Tony (talk)  23:35, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Tony,
 * I will make sure that I spell out the numerals for the orders. I did not realize that I was doing it wrong.  I will also make to mind the links.  Thank you for letting me know. Veg Mapper (talk) 01:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Plus the hyphen. Tony (talk)  05:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for your contributions. Please remember to hyphenate in groups like "second-order tributary". Even if you use the numeral for "second". Tony (talk)  23:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Tony, Thank you for reminding me. I have not done the watershed pages for awhile, but am trying to get back in saddle again. Veg Mapper (talk) 00:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)