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Response to Nishidani
Response to this Talk:Zionism

Nishidani, I never said that the Arabs should be expelled. First of all, I didn't say that I subscribe to the idea the Zionism is decolonization. In fact I don't subscribe to it, because I am not a woke who views the entire world through the lens of colonization/decolonization. I just said that this is one of the many things that some Zionists said about Zionism. And I said it partly in a tongue in cheek manner, because someone else had actually said it in the talk page of Zionism today. Second, even among those Zionists who subscribe to this idea, "decolonization" doesn't necessarily mean expulsion of anyone. It could mean just liberating a place (or part of it) from the political rule of others. But the fact that you think that the meaning of "decolonization" is necessarily "expelling" is interesting. It means that either you are against decolonization in general or in favor (or indifferent) to the expulsion of people. Which of these options is true? Vegan416 (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but this is terrible argumentation.
 * Also please try to be concise and to the point on talk pages, avoiding statements like the one you described as: "I just said that this is one of the many things that some Zionists said about Zionism. And I said it partly in a tongue in cheek manner."
 * - IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What is terrible argumentation? I just stated the fact that Nishidani's claim that I think the Arabs should be expelled is false, because I don't think so. It is obvious that I know what are my opinions better than anyone else... Vegan416 (talk) 05:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Discussion with Nishidani regarding the Colonial interpretation of Zionism
@Nishidani Regarding your ad-hominem attack on Benny Morris as "the son of a Belfast immigrant who, in a book review of the Palestinian historian, Rashid Khalidi, discredits a scion of the Khalidi family with its millenial roots in Palestine":

I would just like to comment that Morris was born in Israel whereas Khalidi was born in the USA to a father that emigrated from Palestine years before 1948 and a Lebanese mother. Also when you speak the roots of Khalidi family in Palestine you refer to the colonial Arab conqueror Khalid ibn al-Walid who participated in the Arab-Muslim colonial conquest of Palestine in the 7th century, and some of his descendants became settler-colonialists there? Vegan416 (talk) 09:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Enjoy the discussion. I won't be there.Nishidani (talk) 15:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * LOL. The truth about Khalidi triggered you? Vegan416 (talk) 16:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No. YOur remark was so thoughtlessly misleading that I presumed you don't know what I was talking about (the history of the Khalidi family, of which several were in diaspora). Really, this kind of exchange is pointless, because it would look like a sandpit game in a kindergarten.Nishidani (talk) 16:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There was nothing misleading in my comment. It is perfectly accurate. Vegan416 (talk) 17:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're happy how you (mis)read my prose, I won't object. Since you know the Khalidis so well, tell me where and how did his grandparents lose their home.Nishidani (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please enlighten me. But with reliable sources. Not one of your unverified stories again. Anyway I have to go now. Probably will be able to respond only next week. Vegan416 (talk) 19:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So, you don't know much about the Khalidis, just as you can't recognize where my anecdote about amicable numbers comes from (a key IP source). Wikipedia articles don't cover most of the subject. That's why the conversation ends here.Nishidani (talk) 20:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)