User talk:Vegaswikian/Archives/2007

"Brazilian Jazz" musicians
Wimstead has made a suggestion since you left your comment at the discussion, which I think is an improvement on my previous suggestion - you may want to have a look and see what you think. Regards, Bencherlite 14:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

KLBC
The inclusion of cable channels in local TV templates are allowed, according to standards set forth here. If you don't like KLBC in the Las Vegas TV template, take it up with them. For now, KLBC stays. -- azumanga 21:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Myrna Williams (politician)
The category is going to be changed to Politicians from Chicago, so it can encompass a broader range of people. Just slapping someone into People from Chicago really doesn't explain much (not your fault, I do it too). That category is going to be sorted soon as I can get to it. So, she wasn't a politician for Chicago, but is a politician from Chicago. Thanks for bringing that up so I can start putting the propsal together.--Kranar drogin 23:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: lumosity.com
Thanks for the clarification, I am still learning the Wiki policies. The entry seems like a textbook example of an entry created to promote a product. Now I just nominated it to deletion-didn't erase the content.--HeavyMyelin 23:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: 432d Wing
Thank you for the information about inline references. I've gone though the 432d Wing page and added them in the manner you suggested. First time I've done it this way, and hope I've done it correctly. Bwmoll3 00:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

List of highways numbered 602
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The World's largest furniture wholesale center
Hi,

I have notice that you have change my article title to "Lecong Furniture Market" and for your information I have put up few more references or source from the China Government's website to verify with that claims " The World Largest Furniture Wholesale Center". If you really read it you will notice that the total area of that furniture wholesale market approximately 32.3 million square feet (3 million square meter still expanding) and it consists of more than 200 modern furniture buildings. And with over 18 years of experience in furniture line and visited many international fair & market in Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia, Dubai, the United Kingdom, the United States(High Point Market & Las Vegas Conventional Center)and Asia; I can assure you that The world's largest furniture center article is a fact and not advertisement.

In High Point Market's page

Question??
In terms of size & building qty & space in High Point Market, they're still smaller then China furniture wholesale center in Shunde???

There are many pages in Wikipedia claims that the World's largest..., Tallest..., Longest.. without strong references or source... Are they for advertisement purposes too? With references from China government website, Eurobiz magazine and even video of that furniture wholesale market; I think that good enough if to compare with High Point Market ref..two only

I'm here to contribute & share informations that are fact & true. As a senior wikipedian, please be more careful & without bias when change other's page.

I hope you will revert the title back to "The world's largest furniture wholesale center" instead of Lecong Furniture Market.

Thank you.

Felinnchew1
 * In a word no. The title for an article it should be the name of the place which is apparently not the The World's largest furniture wholesale center but Lecong Furniture Market.  I replied here since you logged on as an anonymous user so I could not reply on your talk page.  Lecong may be the largest, but that does not mean that the title belongs in the article name based on the naming conventions. Vegaswikian 20:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Heritage aircraft
Hi! Thanks for adding to my baby article :) I originally planned to write this while preparing a larger article about modern airline liveries into which I could then merge retrojet and Eurowhite. I'd say "retrojet" belongs to both categories as it's a modern livery made to look old. But let's see how this evolves, maybe more people will hop on board :). As for the "late 1990s" reference, I cannot provide any specific source. It's a conclusion I came to while browsing the galleries at airliners.net. "Original research", I know... Cheers! :) --Targeman 19:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually for Eurowhite and some of the other articles that are see also in this article might be better included in a Aircraft livery article. I think having the bits and pieces that concern livery in one place may actually result in a good sized article. If one aspect grows to a point that it is too large, then it could be split back out. Vegaswikian 19:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly what I was thinking of. I'm currently doing other stuff but if you feel like creating Aircraft livery now, please do, I'll join in later. --Targeman 19:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Aviation museums
I would think that one as being more common. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Foreign Consulates
Why did you tag the foreign consulate pages of Phoenix, Orlando and Detroit? Each page specifically stats the purpose of them.Daltnpapi4u 00:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Consulates
It's government information. if that is the case you might as well put the deletion on for every article about every city. the pages for the consulates just show which foreign governments have offices in these cities. if you want to look at all this countries that have their own pages of where they have embassies you might as well get them deleted to. Just because you dont agree doesnt mean this is the case. Daltnpapi4u 06:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Other people seem to think otherwise!!!!!!!


 * I'd like to point out that WP:NOT is not a speedy deletion criteria. If you still want these articles deleted, I suggest an AFD. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

CC 215
Thanks; I guess the best reference would be. As for exits 44 to 47, is this portion even a freeway yet? --NE2 18:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Orbital Frame articles
Hi! I see you're up late (and which was the city that never sleeps?). What's your take on those Orbital Frame articles at CSD; I've been waiting for someone to either kill a few off or save a few and take a cue from that. Carlossuarez46 06:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Clark County School District Police Department
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Redirect of FinePix A340
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Valley of Fire citation request
I noticed that you tagged the info I added about Valley of Fire as needing a citation. I'm not sure how to cite where I got the information (an interpretive sign at the site and the visitor's center). Any help you can provide would be appreciated! Thanks! Kael Godwin 03:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Citation templates
Thanks for your comments about templates. Oh, if it were that simple. I find that the templates are a mess and are invariably used incorrectly. They were intended to help editors unfamiliar with referencing. I have found repeatedly that there are errors, multiple errors in most cases, in the use of the templates. When a template shows an error, I uniformly discard it and put in the proper cite entries in a "scratch" cataloguing note. My past background includes 35+ years as a librarian from an era when all library staff were proficient in cataloguing. BTW, the APA template guide that most of the templates use is a clumsy one that is derived from the American Psychiatric Asociation. It excludes some information such as the place of publication as well as places the date of publishing with the author name rather than with the publisher.It also does not have a provision for non-print media, page numbers or ISBN/ISSN information. I recall that university professors made it a rule that new students would use this APA style because it was simpler but the Modern Language Association (MLA) style is still the world's most widely used citation/reference source for research work. That is the style guide I employ with the inclusion of the Harvard Citation style to match the Wikipedia reference note format. When you properly scratch catalogue the citation and put in the tag, the citation comes up just fine. FWIW Bzuk 05:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC).

Need Help updating old Wikiproject Aviation stuff
Hello Vegaswikian, I think it is seriously time we start updating our old pages here at WikiProject Aviation. We need a new Collaboration of the month. Old Reviews need to be archived. And old Talk page comments need to be Archived. Feel free to help maintain WikiProject Aviation.Thanks Marcusmax 02:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Good idea
Yes your right I'll create a separate page for county highwaysCoolrocketdude3444 06:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

- It looks like you (or someone) has reverted the page back to what it was before I came along, if that is how you prefer to present the information then I will go along with it

-I'm also in the processes of making a Nevada state county highway wikiproject which is still in its beginnings Coolrocketdude3444 16:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

AirTran Page
Hi there. I know you warned me about getting too involved with the AirTran page since I work there, but I am attempting to keep the information correct and up-to-date. The cities I have listed on the AirTran Airways page are what we consider focus cities. This is also corroborated if you read the MEH board presentation. Hope you take a look at the presentation and read it. Thanks. Werecowmoo 13:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Nevada Highway Patrol
No, a command is like a Jurisdiction, divided in to four Regions, Inside the Regional Office. HQ is the Carson City office.Corporal Punishment 23:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Malls
Please stop trying to speedy delete tag notable malls. You will not succeed in subverting a consensus discussion, as any such taggings will be rollbacked on sight, and watchlisted so they can't be snuck through at a later date. Rebecca 06:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of All USRD Clean-up Templates
All of the USRD Clean-up Templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.  master son T - C 16:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Dabs proposal (from Cricket discussion)
I'm not sure where to go to make this proposal. WP:PROPOSALS is for new guidelines. This idea involves a change in user function: a) adding a disambiguation button or b) modifying the Search function to display dabs before other search results. Pendragon39 19:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * In that case, see Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation for topic 16. If I understand correctly, this page is for proposing changes to the dabs guidelines themselves. Pendragon39 19:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * An alternative idea might be to give the user a global setting along the lines of 'When I click Go - display the most popular article' or 'Always disambiguate'. I believe its usually better to have choices as some people will prefer the way Wiki behaves now Pendragon39 19:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It would only display the dabs page if there was one. One could write: For terms with more than one meaning, display the disambiguation page or display most popular article' Pendragon39 20:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleted category
You added this category to the list of categories to be deleted. I can't find any record of it ever having been discussed. Am I missing something? DCB4W 02:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

CONEXPO-CON/AGG
Thanks for the info, I was just trying to get the info on this trade show more up to date....and I am still learning the Wiki. When does an article officially stop being a 'stub'? Also, can you give me an example of a good citation on another article...I want CONEXPO-CON/AGG to be complete and have good citations so people view it as a reputable source. Thanks JSomers 03:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ahh, now I think I get it. So you don't really put anything in the References category, just it by the section and it will show up.  Thanks again for your correction and help.  Someday I am going to understand how all this works.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JSomers (talk • contribs) 12:57, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

RandoM SmileY AwarD
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No content in Category:Area codes in Sweden
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Thanks!
Your comment in the "Naming conventions" discussion was a surprising pleasure to read - glad to see more reason added to the debate. To tell you the truth, I find that the method best adapted to the Wiki media (topic clarity, avoiding conflicts, "which one, which country" location) that would put everyone on the same level ("exeptions") is a full disambiguation for all placename articles - the only place you and I seem to differ is in the use of the comma convention (as I find parentheses make for a cleaner, clearer multi-level disambiguation if it is needed). I'll be the first to move "Paris" if ever this goes through. Cheers : )

THE PROMENADER  23:25, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I will support you in this. Your method will work as it preserves the traditioinal "city, state" method that so many U.S. contributors desire; "neighbourhood, city, state" and "city, county, state" are not traditional disambiguation, so these methods defeat the very purpose of "city, state" and the comma convention itself. Not to mention that the above comma methods can be confusing from article to article - neighbourhood, or county-disambiguated city? - and when you throw non-disambiguated cities in there, things get even messier.


 * After much perusal I'm more than persuaded that political locations should have a treatment of their own on Wikipedia - places are places, and their location is important for those looking for them - they should be placed for the reader, for the same reason that people are identified.


 * I see a lot of logic in naming all placename articles in the Placename "(Country, stateifneeded [, countyifneeded])" method - instant identification of the article subject, a lesser need for dab pages (or at least clearer and less onerous ones), and, most importantly, an improved searchability - think of how people look for placenames, especially foreigners).


 * I do have one question though - I don't see the logic between your method and "Paris, France" - if you use local disambiguation in one country, you should do it for others as well, no? This would make Paris "Paris, Île-de-France". We can't assume a reader's origins, nor his knowledge of other countries - sorry to poke, but I think that was the very reason for your "Paris, France" suggestion in the first place. What is certain is that I do see that disambiguating locally in one country and with "country" in another adds another unneeded (and perhaps unpredictable) variable to the mix of Wikepedia searching and browsing. THE PROMENADER  07:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "Re Paris v Paris, France v Paris, Île-de-France. This exposes one of the problems with a world wide standard. While in the US and Canada, using a state, province or territory seems to be acceptable for a clear identifier as to the location"


 * Ah, but the above depends on the reader's level of knowledge - you don't know France's régions very well, so you're assuming that other English-speakers don't either - but it is wrong to make this sort of assumption, especially for an encyclopaedia. What of people from other countries who don't know the U.S.' states very well?
 * I do agree that using a prioritised "local disambiguation" would be a problem - but for the above reasons as well as those of choice/conflict - which is why I propose using Country before anything else: using brackets, any disambiguation above this could be pretty well anything on any level. THE PROMENADER  07:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Morning, Noon and Night (Convenience Store)
Can you please explain to my usertalk page - (User talk:Dreamweaverjack) - why you think that the article about the Scottish convenience store chain Morning, Noon and Night is not notable enough to remain on Wikipedia despite the fact that the chain is well known in the Tayside and central region areas of Scotland.

If it would help to keep the article on Wikipedia, could you please give me some advice on what other information that you would find acceptable to allow the article to remain. Dreamweaverjack 03:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

CFD Category:Anti-creationism
You have either edited Category:Anti-creationism or contributed to the previous discussion about its encyclopedic value.

This a courtesy notice that it has again be nominated for a deletion discussion.--ZayZayEM 02:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Category:Homophobes
Last year you closed this category's CFD as delete. Today, Category:Homophobia survived CFD and is now being used to categorize biographical articles. I've started a discussion on this category's talk page regarding appropriate use, but no one has participated. Given that it looks like someone has simply overruled your decision with a simple change in spelling, I thought you might want to participate in the discussion. Cheers, Rklawton 03:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Trivia
Template:Trivia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Pixelface 20:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

"Don't list user pages in main space categories"
I saw that you fixed my sandbox page that was listed in a mainspace category. That was only because I was composing it in my sandbox before creating the actual article. I forgot to clear the sandbox when I was finished. Thanks for doing this for me! I appreciate it. hmwith talk  16:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Stanley Dunin AfD
Thanks for the advice. I've changed the lead to agree with the statements made in the first paragraph. However, although this claim seems more plausible it isn't really notable and we still can't verify it with alternative reliable sources. Can you have another look at the new version of the article? Tim Vickers 18:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Article has now been completely rewritten as you suggested. Tim Vickers 19:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Car rental
Yes, since there weren't very many articles it might make sense to combine them. Vehicle rental would cover all of those, wouldn't it? Rigadoun (talk) 20:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Hartford
Seeing as you deleted the article, could you also close the open discussion? Thanks. - Mtmelendez (Talk 21:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Category problem
There is a problem with Category:Young Men organization of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the discussion of which you closed. Go there and I'm sure it will be obvious. Category:Young Men Organization still exists, which the former was meant to replace. Snocrates 03:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

RfC requested re Homophobia CfD
Hi, just thought you should be told that an RfC has been made about the recent CfD for Homophobia, which you closed. The link is Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion. Best wishes. DuncanHill 23:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

You removed Aviation category from Link Trainer
I reinstated it. The Link was a milestone in the history of aviation, as it was the first useful flight simulator. It is recognised as being within the scope of Wikiproject aviation. It was also held on charge as an airframe by many Air Forces - for example Australia allocated it the RAAF serial A13. RichardH 17:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

External links in Gambling mathematics
Would you mind commenting regarding the appropriateness of the external link I added to the article on the talk page there? Another editor thinks it's an inappropriate link, but he can't access it, so I'm asking a couple of other editors to weigh in with their opinions. Rray 23:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration Molly_DBO
Your capricous and random deletion of the wiki page for Molly_DBO has been referred for arbitration. You were specifically told that java O/R frameworks like Hibernate and Molly_DBO have wiki pages, yet you went ahead and deleted Molly_DBO (but left Hibernate alone, which tells me, this deletion is malicious on your part). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Javadesigner2 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Pages grow over time. I would have added more information, history and much else over the next few days. Molly is EXACTLY in the same space as Hibernate and many other Java frameworks. You capricously deleted Molly_DBO (by quoting "relevance" as per your opinion) and have left hibernate and other pages entirely alone. Molly_DBO is now entirely deleted, it's simply gone less than 8 hours after the page was initially created even though no spam on it, no commercial endorsement, nothing.

I've removed the arbitration request and as per wiki (be bold) will try creating another page.

An editor has asked for a deletion review of page name. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Singapore Airlines
Respectfully, adding the Neutrality tag without specifying what sections are not neutral is unhelpful. If you state which sections are not neutral then someone could start writing about them as a whole re-write is beyond the reach, timewise, of most contributors. Cheers. RomanceOfTravel 19:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad
Thanks for stopping by Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad earlier today. As you probably noticed, there's been a bit of a battle over there with an extraordinarily zealous new editor ... who's just reinserted duplicate sections into the article (again) and blanked the talk page (again). Any suggestions would be appreciated. Pitamakan 03:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. Hopefully things will calm down in a bit, but we'll see ... the user has been thoroughly unreceptive to talk page discussion so far.  He's also now copied all of his duplicate material into a former redirect page for this article, apparently with the intent of creating a competing article on exactly the same topic, so that will have to be resolved at some point, as well. Pitamakan 12:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, San Pedro, Los Angeles & Salt Lake Railroad has been recreated again. Pitamakan 11:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and reverted the redirect page, leaving a Level 4 warning on his Talk page. Over the last couple of days, this user has meanwhile vandalized my talk page, and made a series of random, largely-inappropriate edits to several articles he noticed mentioned in my Talk page.  He's done this both while logged in, and as 98.202.84.191.  (I copied the warning to the IP for the Talk page, as well.)  Any suggestions would be appreciated -- I'm not sure how these things are handled.  At the very least, I'd appreciate if you could extend the lock on Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad for a few more days.  Thanks. Pitamakan 21:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all your cleanup last night. Pitamakan 12:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

DRV Notice
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Molly_DBO. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Jreferee   t /c  19:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Grey Holiday
I notice that you deleted the band's article exactly one year ago. The band's song "Let Go" is currently on the R&R (magazine) Contemporary Christian music U.S. national chart at #16. Please restore the article either to mainspace or to my second sandbox (User:Royalbroil/Sandbox2). Feel free to wipe my sandbox clean if you wish to keep the article's edit history. Thanks! Royal broil 04:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC) (WP:CCM)
 * Thank you for bringing the article back in my sandbox. I used about half of it. The other half was non-encyclopedic. I have moved the article to mainspace. The band is now #11 on that chart. Royal broil 04:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Bet re-direct
Thanks for your constructive comment. AirdishStraus 08:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Response to a sock puppet
Thanks for your actions today. Pitamakan 22:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppets/Utah History
It looks like has evaded his block. I suggest that you block him a second time. Thank you. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 13:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

DLM AG
Why have you deleted DLM AG? Deletion has been contested and the page should not have been deleted without consultation. Biscuittin 08:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think your deletion decision was premature because the article is under construction. Please restore the article, otherwise I shall apply for a deletion review. Biscuittin 08:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of DLM AG. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Biscuittin 11:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Lords of France
You have contributed at the CFD for Category:Lords of France here. The subcats have been deleted, and Category:Lords of France is being held for cleanup until Nov 5. I was wondering if you'd like to help with the cleanup, as I don't have a lot of experience prod'ing articles. Thanks, and sorry for the cut-and-paste. --Kbdank71 15:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletionism
Seeing this edit of yours, I get the impression that your approach to deletion is a bit unwise. Remember to always ask yourself, "is there a convenient merge target" before you CSD an article. About 90% of the articles I see up for deletion could perfectly well be merged into an article with a larger scope even if they lack the notability required to stand on their own. Less deletion, more merging. See also WikiProject Integration. dab (𒁳) 13:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Reference fixing
Thanks for fixing the references I added to the Green Valley Ranch article. I didn't realize that I could put the cite news template inside the to make footnotes work with the template; I'll make sure to do that from now on. --Sesame ball Talk 05:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Visitor attractions in Minnesota
''This is part of a series of categories of like named categories and it should remain and be populated. Please do not empty categories without a nomination and discussion on WP:CFD. Vegaswikian 21:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)''
 * I recognized that it is one of the categories from each of the states. That is why I left it as a redirect.  But the content was a subset of the vast content in the tourism category, and it doesn't make any sense to me to have a separate "visitor attractions" category.  The tourism category gives the reader a wide range of subcategories which include visitor attractions, whether they are historical properties, gardens, amusement parks, churches, etc.  In the scheme of "visitor attractions", the category was woefully incomplete, and I think it makes more sense to organize the topic tree more like it is now.  Thanks for your interest.--Appraiser 22:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Airlistbox
Please do not unilaterally remove content as you did here, especially when you know that this is a format that has been through MfD and extensive discussions on the project that have arrived at consensus. Just because you don't think that it is necessary in every article doesn't mean that it isn't beneficial to the project. There are plenty of editors and readers who find that navigation aid helpful, and anytime we can provide navigational aid to our readership, we've advanced the project. If you disagree with the template's presence, please discuss first at either the project's or the template's talk page. Thanks. AKRadecki Speaketh 16:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Manchester Airport daughter lists at AFD
Hello Vegaswikian, I see you recently put the pages:List of destinations served by Manchester Airport Terminal 1, List of destinations served by Manchester Airport Terminal 2 and List of destinations served by Manchester Airport Terminal 3 at articles for deletion. I have two concerns regarding this: firstly, at peer review editors who had experience at the page were suggested to make edits that would make "daughter lists" out of the destinations served by each terminal by a user who had good experience at peer review; secondly, as on the talk page some of the Greater Manchester WikiProject's participants are trying to make the article into good status, and by doing so need to expand on the article, and therefore IMO need to shorten the lists into or  pages which can make the article alot more presentable and make the article "less cluttered", without compromising the information. Regards, Rudget Contributions 13:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have closed Terminal 1 & Terminal 2 AFD pages as keep. However, I would like to keep the Terminal 3 AFD as it currently has no consensus. Rudget  17:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/TTI Telecom
I have made substantial edits to TTI Telecom and left detailed comments about the sources at the AfD page since you commented. When you get the chance, please take another look. Thanks, --A. B. (talk) 17:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Jay Dayton Smith House
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Request comments
I hope you will please check out Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Poker and offer your view. Thanks. 2005 00:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

An application of BIO
I got involved in Mitch Clem at AfD. Can you look at the references and let me know whether you think I'm right on his notability. He is not an important topic, but this illustrates an important application of the BIO and Notability rules. I think that the Minnesota Public Radio spot is just about enough, then the mention in PC World, while not in-depth clearly is saying this person is noticed. The other comixtalk source is marginal, but I think that it adds to credibilty. It appeares that Comixtalk has a blog section, but where he is covered is more akin to an online magazine in a scheduled and dated issue. Cheers! --Kevin Murray 15:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

AFD
Hi. I rarely have the energy or time for AfD any more, but I do like to drop in form time to time to see that the guidelines that we work so hard on are being followed and that it is not just ILIKEIT etc.

Like you said: " probably reads too much like an autobiogaphy and could use a good rewrite to improve the tone. The tone could be why it is on AfD". But, theoretically our AfD nominators should be making the choice to post the cleanup tag and asking for better references before tagging for AfD. Of course the battle against vanity spam is herculian and corner are being cut to stem the tide. Cheers! --Kevin Murray 19:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. If you need help on a BIO which looks rough, give me a shout.  When I get involved in AfD I generally stick to BIOs, and have spent a lot of time working on WP:BIO and WP:N.  Talk to you soon.  --Kevin Murray 19:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 8#Category:University of London External Programme
I just want to say that I agree with the principle expressed by yourself and Otto in that discussion. I only relisted the discussion because of the ambiguity at WP:DPR as to whether a quorum of any kind is required to close CFDs (the policy explicitly states that none is required for TFD, but doesn't make a similar statement for CFD). Henceforth, I will close uncontroversial CFDs where no one has commented and I don't discover any issues with the nomination. This should save a bit of time and make it easier to clear the current 6-day and 85-nominations backlog.

By the way, would you mind having a look at the sole remaining discussion on the daily log for 2007 Oct 28? The discussion has been open for 12 days, and I can't close it due to the fact that I initiated the nomination. – Black Falcon (Talk) 23:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Black Falcon (Talk) 23:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:LSMR-401 class landing ship mediums
Given your participation in this October 30 discussion, you may be interested to know that the involved categories have been renominated. The new discussion can be found here. – Black Falcon (Talk) 07:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Marine Corps
You proposed a solution on the this October 31 discussion on Marines. Go ahead and implement it, and then let me know and I'll close it.--Mike Selinker 20:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

and just as I was about to leave you a note here...
...you left one on mine. I'm amused. Here is what I was going to tell you -- FYI -- there are a few more edits being made by Bgtd (talk • contribs), including multiple blankings of my talk page, in case you wanted to know. but I will assume from your message that you are now aware. I will gladly back off and let you professionals handle it. Thanks for keeping an eye out. SpikeJones 01:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * and a small update -- you may want to continue to monitor Bellagio, Harrah's... and now, my own user page. Fun stuff. SpikeJones 01:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again. A head's up that activity has started again on Caesars and Bellagio regarding 6:5 criticism reverts. SpikeJones 03:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation categories
I have closed both discussions in favour of the Category:[Subject] disambiguation format. The inclusion of either "lists" or "ambiguous" in the title was rather strongly opposed in both cases, and the Category:[Subject] disambiguation format garnered the most support.
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 2
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2007 November 3

After closing the nominations, I checked at Category talk:Disambiguation and encountered a possibility that was not suggested in either discussion: Category:Disambiguation ([subject]). For instance, Category:Disambiguation (ships). I haven't given it much thought yet, but it may be an option worth considering. Cheers, Black Falcon (Talk) 00:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That sounds good. It will probably be easier to have a clear discussion if there is more consistency between the categories. Part of the reason for the back-and-forth in these two discussion, in my opinion, was that Category:Disambiguation lacks a clear standard for subcategories. – Black Falcon (Talk) 02:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Your trolling
You cannot troll an experienced editor like me like you did here. Such edits may result in you being blocked, I suggest you refrain in future. Thanks, SqueakBox 01:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

"Err, when I receive your apology I will offer you something. My advice is don't assume you are in the right. Thanks, SqueakBox 01:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: KV62 -> Tomb of Tutankhamen
Thank you for adding your opinion/vote to the Talk:KV62 re: KV62 -> Tomb of Tutankhamen. I wanted to solicit opinions/votes from those I thought might have a real interest in the issue. Ultimately the main thrust of the argument for centers around WP:NC, which I think is being too broadly applied in this instance (but that's my opinion). Though I read more oppose votes than for, in the end there was no consensus (a simple majority may not apply in this case) to move, so there's every chance the debate will continue sometime in the future. Cheers! Captmondo 11:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Pinnacle CEO Recruiters
An article that you have been involved in editing, Pinnacle CEO Recruiters, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Owl Farm
Why did you delete Owl Farm before I had an hour to add to it??? The Hunter Thompson pages are all screwed up and need the Owl Farm page to pull things together. Ignoring hangon is really rude. BBerryhill (talk) 07:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to research the Owl Farm and hoping that someone else would help fill in the blanks. Why would you trash my effort after only an hour or two?

I see that there are several complaints on your talk page about you deleting pages without cause. Back off for a day or two.

BBerryhill (talk) 08:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Beer and more beer
Please look at Category:Beer and breweries in the United States by state and all its state subcats. I believe these can now all be renamed to Category:Breweries in the United States by state as their contents zre now all brewery articles, not beers. The few beer stragglers found, I moved to Category:American beer brands. If you agree, please submit the CfDs. Hmains (talk) 04:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Roller coaster templates
Hi there, first off good job on your category tidying on roller coaster articles! However, just to let you know, it's probably best not to include autocategorisation to roller coaster navboxes as some of them are used on the park article itself, these articles were being added to the categories too. Just a heads up! Many thanks, <font style="color:#488AC7">Sea <font style="color:#2B547E">serpent 85 11:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Motors template creation
In reading over the discussion, I don't think that DeLarge understands what you're suggesting. Would you be willing to make such a template? - jc37 09:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_November_12


 * Sure, what name should I use. I think I can find the contents from the CfD discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well your comparison to was to Template:General Motors. Perhaps delete the redirect at Template:Mitsubishi Motors (and maybe fix the single link), and create it there? - jc37 06:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, done at Template:Mitsubishi Motors. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow. Ok, not what I expected when I looked at the General Motors one. Maybe I wasn't understanding what you were suggesting : ) - I had thought that there were articles to go along with the categories, and so linking to those articles (as the GM one does) would be the way to go.
 * In looking it over now, perhaps just merge/move Template:Mitsubishi Motors companies to Template:Mitsubishi Motors, with some possible expansion to add some related articles/lists. - jc37 08:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The Deletion of Cislo & Thomas LLP
I just received a notification that the page i was working on all night was deleted by you. Now i understand that the page needed work, but this was a side project that i've been working on for my boss. unfortunately, because this was my first time trying to create a page, i have no records of my work, so i can't even make modifications. could you please let me know if there is a way to get back my work so i can have something to show for/work on for my boss. Thank you

cislo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cislo (talk • contribs) 07:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how pages such as Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP, which other law firms seem to use as a layout, can be acceptable? The Cislo & Thomas LLP page was essentially the same material yet was speedily deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cislo (talk • contribs) 02:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Easington Community Science College
Hi, when you removed the stub bit at the bootom of the page but you must have forgetton to rate it, i will assume it is a start. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunderland06 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Collapsed airport destination lists
Hey, I saw you're adding the collapsible lists to the airport pages, that's great. One minor problem though; on the Manchester Airport page, the "show" buttons seem to end up under the pictures sometimes, depending on the browser. In Safari, all three are covered; in Firefox, only T2 is. I'd try to fix it, but I don't know how. V-train (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! V-train (talk) 22:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Former Students of Easington Community Science College
Category:Former Students of Easington Community Science College, was decided to be kept. Whether or not you voted for this, your contribution to the CFD was valued.Thanks.--Sunderland06 17:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Kelowna Flightcraft
Hi Mr. Veggie, I wonder if you could look at the article again. Another editor has asked me to write an article about the parent company but it will be reverted if it is posted or will redirect to Kelowna Flightcraft Charter Ltd. What can be done? FWIW Bzuk (talk) 05:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Yup, Kelowna Flightcraft is the parent company, which is an AMO that has the following operations: Flight Operations via Kelowna Flightcraft Air Charter operating for Purolator, Maintenance, Product and Tech Support for the Convair 580 series and the Allied Wings training consortium. FWIW, the article could be changed to the Kelowna Flightcraft Company that would encompass all the varied activities of the company. BTW, I rent space from another subsidiary of Kelowna Flightcraft, the Flightcraft Maintenance Centre at Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. Bzuk (talk) 05:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC).
 * See] for a listing of the Kelowna FLightcraft's holdings. FWIW Bzuk (talk) 07:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC).

KNPR
Hi there. If you think they should go back to the original articles, I think only KCNV should. The others are all Nevada Public Radio (KTPH, KNPR, KSGU, KWPR). I was trying to follow the format other major public broadcasters did (i.e. Connecticut Public Radio, Texas Public Radio, etc), so it was merely following the convention.

However, if you think they should all go back, I'm not sure how KTPH, KSGU, and KWPR would fall as they don't have their own programs. --EnronsBack (talk) 01:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Tropicana Casino and Resort Atlantic City
In an effort to avoid an editing war I am writing a message to you on your talk page, I beg to differ with your revert and the response you left in the comment area. My understanding is that the New Jersey Casino Control Commission has completely stripped Adamar of New Jersey and Columbia Sussex of its ownership and that former New Jersey Supreme Court Associate Justice Gary Stein has been placed in charge of the property on behalf of the State of New Jersey and that the previous owners have no say whatsoever in the operation of the Atlantic City property and the only thing they are entitled to is any monies from the sale of the property and that's it. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 03:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You can not simply take away someones property. If Admar is going to get the money from a sale, them they are still the owners.  The fact that a trustee is running things does not affect ownership.  Vegaswikian (talk) 03:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Again I beg to differ, yes the state (i.e. Casino Control Commission or the Division of Gaming Enforcement) can take the ownership away from a casino property if they determine that such a property is not being operated within the guidelines of being a 1st class property, If you remember on July 4, 1989 the license of the Elsinore Corporation which owned the Atlantis (Formerly the Playboy) was revoked by the CCC and the property was ordered fully closed, all of the employees were laid off and a trustee took control of the day to day operations of the corporation and/or the holding company until a suitable owner was found, in that case it was Donald Trump but he was unable to turn it into a casino because at the time there was a restriction of four casinos per corporation or person, In Trump's case he owned the Plaza, Marina, Taj Mahal and Resorts which he later sold in a deal with Merv Griffin. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 03:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Eminent domain laws are very clear on this point. You can not take property.  However privileged operating licenses are something else.  You are confusing the license with ownership.  If you are correct, please show me who is listed as the owner on the Atlantic City assessor roles.  It will not be the Judge in my opinion.  Vegaswikian (talk) 03:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I never said the judge was taking ownership, What happens is the State takes control and runs the property via a Trustee in this case former New Jersey Supreme Court Associate Justice Gary Stein, Judge Stein's name wouldn't appear as owner the state would and it will take at least 4 to 8 weeks before the City of Atlantic City is able to change the role on that property. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 04:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * When you said that ownership had changed, then you clearly stated that someone else was the owner. In any case, please look at this article which makes it clear that ownership has not changed.  The RJ also published an Associated Press article from December 14 that again makes it clear that Columbia Sussex et al are still the owners. For the state to take ownership it would need to exercise its right of eminent domain.  That has not been reported in any article and it takes court involvement and/or long public hearings on that specific issue which again have not happened. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

CfD for taxobox categories
I just wanted to notify everyone that participated in the original CfD and the deletion review that there is a new CfD to reverse the proposed changes to the taxobox categories. <font color="#0084C9">Justin  <font color=#808080>chat 05:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The Burma problem
Hey thanks for letting me know about my error. I have replied to the DELREV. I do not know the procedures for fixing this problem. Since I agree with you, can I just reopen the CFD, mention that it had been closed in error, and extend the discussion to a new 5 days? If so, how does the DELREV get closed? If not, what is the correct thing to do. I am really sorry I caused this mess, hopefully when you read my reply af DELREV you'll understand how I goofed. Then, the question becomes do we undelete the empty categories right away, or do we wait until the outcome of the CFD happens to do that only if that is what is decided? HELP! JERRY talk contribs 23:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Brewing companies (beer) of the United States
What is your thinking? There is already a Category:Beer and breweries in the United States. Are you aware of this? In what way do you feel a "brewing company (beer)" is distinct from a "brewery"? I would value hearing your explanation. <font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork  *<font face="Roman" color="#0ccccc" size="0.5">SilkyTalk 02:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Please talk
We need to talk. You are undoing a category system that was built up under wide consensus and has been widely acknowledged to be a good system. I have already raised the issue with you and suggested that we talk on the Beer Project page. If you continue in your editing without engaging in discussion it will appear as though you are putting your own feelings above that of the Wikipedia project. No doubt you have a reason for doing what you are doing, but you must be aware that I am not in agreement, and that I have requested we discuss this, and that I have provided you with links that show that the current system was built up under wide approval. I am assuming that you feel that what you are doing is the right thing - though I would be more reassured if you actually explained your reasoning. <font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork  *<font face="Roman" color="#0ccccc" size="0.5">SilkyTalk 02:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Hooters Air
I just wanted to let you know the reason I deleted the Revival paragraph of the Hooters Air article is because it does not entail the revival of Hooters Air if you read the Columbia Dispatch article that was originally referred to in the article it was about a company named Myrtle Beach Direct Air who planned to bring back Rickenbacker Airport. The only mention of Hooters Air is that it pulled out of Myrtle Beach two years ago. The reason I am written to you is because of our last encounter and I don't want you to think that I am a vandal or blanker which I am NOT obviously. Simon Bar Sinister (talk) 03:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of List of airports by ICAO code: X
A tag has been placed on List of airports by ICAO code: X requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Closedmouth (talk) 07:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:MaclaySchool-1.JPG
Hello, Vegaswikian. I've been adding categories to quite a few uncategorized photos and graphic which I contributed earlier. I note that you've removed the categories from one of these, MaclaySchool-1.JPG, explaining "not image cats". Are you sure? What list of proper image cats are you going by? Thanks for you help. <font color="green" face="courier">Tim Ross ·<font color="green" face="courier">talk 11:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the advice. Actually, I've been putting virtually all of my recent graphics into WikiCommons, but early on I just used Wikipedia. Live and learn. :-) <font color="green" face="courier">Tim Ross ·<font color="green" face="courier">talk 23:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)