User talk:Vekoler/Archive: 19 Oct 2006 - 18 June 2007

On Qasim Amin
Hello Heja..I see that you have made a lot of good contributions to Kurdish-related articles/stubs. I was wondering if you could help expand the biography of the womens advocate Qasim Amin. According to what I have found he was of Kurdish origin (his family also ruled in kurdistan during the 1800's) and therefore put his name in the kurdish people list. This, however has not been popular with other wikipedians who claim he was Egyptian.

WikiProject Kurdistan
Hi Heja Helweda, my name is Diyako I am from southern-Kurdistan. I see that you are also a Kurd contributing to Wikipeia on Kurds and Kurdish related articles.

I would like to start a WikiProject for Kurdistan, mainly to gather and organize and expand articles on Kurds and other Kurdish related topics. Another advantage to starting a WikiProject for Kurdistan is protection from vandalism, for example the article on Kurdistan has been going back and forth with people vandalizing and adding inaccurate information. Now I see that many Wikipedians have tried to correct and try to stop the vandalism, but we need to do more. I have seen some of your work and I think you do a great job in adding to Wikipedia, but now I think it would be a good idea to start a WikiProject Kurdistan. I can’t do it alone so that’s why I am asking you to help me with this and to recruit other Kurdish members and anyone interested in general. Let me know what you think.

--D.Kurdistani 04:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

On Medes
The Median language is NW Iranian. There are about 10-12 words of Median that is known. More importantly though Armenian documents have called Kurds as Medes. --alidoostzadeh 18:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

thanx
Hi Heja, thank you for the paper. It would be interesting to read it. Regards E104421 19:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
For reverting the vandalism on Kurdish literature. Çok Teşekürler :)Heja Helweda 04:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Anytime. :) -- Cat out 05:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Helweda
Baiscally I do not remove sourced material, however sometimes I remove sourced material which are clearly unrelated to a topic or an article, or passage. As for Parthians being related to Kurds, I said that the ancient historian Strabo mentioned them as the same. But if you mean source for this quote, then I will try to provide one soon. Thanks Awat 00:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan
Hi, The stuf used for this article deserves nothing but Kurdo-Iranian relations. What is this so-called 'Iranian Kurdistan'? Since when it has been known as such. Why it is called Iranian Kurdistan but not Kurdistan region ruled by the state of Iran? At least let's rename it to Kurdistan - Iran.

Kurdish: Ew nêwe her êcgar heleye; Bo rûn kirdinewey ziyatir birwanine desturî nwêy herêmî Kurdistan ke têyda chon be rûnî bas le we dekat ke Kurdistan mulki hikumeti nawendi niye. be 'Kurdistanî Êran'îsh ême wa degeyênîn ke renge ewe hî Êrane, u herweha sebararet be beshekanî dîsh le Êraq yanîsh le Turkya. Ême xerîkîn be destî xoman dij be xoman denûsîn. PS: useful link: Awat 02:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

GDP
Please see this, the GDP per capita is 8400 dollars. Please correct any related articles. --Mardavich 04:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * CIA fact-book is more up to date, there is no arbitration on using IMD as a source. --Mardavich 05:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. IMF is the main source for the ranking in List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita, unless you want to change the whole article. Whenever you convince people on that article to use the CIA stuff, then come back andd change the ranking here as the main issue is about the ranking, and the present article refers to the ranking article. .Heja Helweda 05:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

HI
Hello Helweda; The history of Cordiene does not begin with the Roman Empire; before Romans there are numerous references to the same region. Old Mesopotamians refer to it with names like Bet Qardu, Mat Qardu, and other variotions; Cyrus mention their land in Akkadian language as Mat Quti, Persians befriended them, and used them in their wars as excelent generals. As vassal kingdoms the area became parts of both Parthian and Armenian empires (for short peroids). Also the maps used in the article do not show whole of the region inhabited by Corduchi; By these I mean that the article still needs more work. Awat 15:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK Heja, I agreed. but still Corduene needs more images such as map of the kingdom as its greatest extent, images of the ruins of the area related to Cordueni, and coins. About Bet Qardu, what do you think if we discuss all the Old Mesopotamian references from antiquity to Corduene, into one article? Then what is your suggestion for the title? Bet Qardu, Mat Qurti or Qutium, or others? Thanks. Awat 12:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Airports
Greetings! While reviewing the assessment change log for WikiProject Airports, I noticed that you created the article Sulaimaniyah International Airport. You contribution to improving Wikipedia's collection of airport articles is greatly appreciated. If at all interested, I'd like to extend an invitation to join the project. You can join by simply adding your name to the list of participants. If not interested, please disregard this message. Thanks! thadius856talk 04:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Kurds in Turkey
Heja, you deleted sourced text that I contributed to the Kurdish people article. Can you explain why? The usual procedure would be to use the talk pages. Anthon.Eff 04:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Request
Hey Hêja, could you please check out the Persianization article? A user keeps removing the mention of Kurds being Persianized—perhaps you could find more sources? Thanks, Khoikhoi 04:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe if you add a tag, then people would notice it and try to provide sources. If a source cannot be provided, then you can replace it with info that is sourced. Cheers, Khoikhoi 03:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

1987 massacre of Iranian_pilgrims
Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down because it was flying suspiciously.

The article is not neutral but I am quite busy at the moment to battle it out.--Patchouli 04:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Zoroaster
Hello there Heja, no one knows for sure when Zoroaster lived and estimates for this vary thousands of years. Infact, everything we know about him is through Gatha which was written down hundreds years later after he was dead. The edit you have made to the history of Kurds, although I appreciate that it has a source, refers to what can only be a legend, not a historical fact. If you feel you must add this to the article, please make sure to present it in the correct context. Thank you --Rayis 23:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Medieval
Hi Heja. Sharazor existed before 3th century AD for instance it has been mentioned in Karnamaki Ardashiri Babakan (Book of the Deeds of Ardashir son of Babak). This means that it is even older than Kayusid dynasty. I dont think that begining of the third century AD can be considered medieval era especially in southwestern Asia. Correct me if I'm wrong. Gelek spas ji te re. Asoyrun 23:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reply! For more details about Kurdish kingdoms from 2th-3th centuries AD to Arab invasion the most informative sources I think are Syriac sources, since it's the time when Syriac priests from Osroene, Syria and levantine area move to Kurdish regions to preach Christianity. They both give us details about the Kurdish society at that period, and introduce Syriac as language of church to the converted Kurds.
 * But I see that there are a lot of mediaval (post Islamic) emirates that there are no articles for them, besides the pre-Islamic ones.
 * I personally take Arab invasion as begining of medieval era for southwestern asian societies. Thanks Asoyrun 03:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are good informations about Kurdish history and society especially from early medieval era in Syriac sources. They lived inside Kurdish communities and have writen down whatever they saw or leanrt from Kurds. for example from their writings we find that 'Manisarus', name of a Kurdish king means Servant of the Sun, or we find that how many Zorostranian natives of the Kurdish cities converted to hristianity, took a Christian name and built churches or monastries etc, etc.... But unfortunately most of their works have not still been studied by many Kurdish historian, as even attested by Bruinsen.
 * I know some ones (through a friend) but they are translated in Arabic and I have not seen their English versions. Asoyrun 22:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Question
Hey Heja, what do you think of this edit? Khoikhoi 03:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. Khoikhoi 07:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

BTW, there is a paragraph at Mustafa Kemal Atatürk:

"Kurds also criticize Atatürk for disregarding their cultural distinctions in pursuing a Turkish national identity. In 1925, an uprising for an independent Kurdistan, led by Seyh Sait, was put down quickly, and Sait and 36 of his followers were executed soon thereafter. Kurds accuse successive Turkish governments of suppressing their identity through such means as the banning of Kurdish language in print and media. Atatürk believed the unity and stability of a country lay in a unitary political identity, relegating cultural and ethnic distinctions to the private sphere. Many Kurds did not relinquish their identities however, eventually giving rise to large-scale armed conflict between the Turkish armed forces and the PKK throughout the 1980s and 1990s, leaving over 35,000 dead. Recent moves by the Turkish government have provided Kurds with greater rights and freedoms, particularly in regards to the Kurdish language, education, and media."

However, it has no citations. Would you be able to add some to the paragraph? Thanks, Khoikhoi 06:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

What about Turning it into an article instead of a paragraph "Atatürk and Kurds" Thanks --OttomanReference 17:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Kurdish Revolts
I would like your input on Kurdish Revolts; It is a very distinct concept and deserves its own page. Thanks. OttomanReference 20:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Çîyayê Agirî
Hêja, could you please check this and this out? Perhaps you could add more sources. Thanks, Khoikhoi 02:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * What do you think? Khoikhoi 02:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Sources on Ataturk
Hi, do you have a source that says in 1925 the Ottomans banned using ethnic terms in the school? Some people are complaining about that line. Thanks --AW 19:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Newruz
As you have probably seen I have fought tooth and nail to keep this article instead of it being deleted or merged into Norouz (see Talk:Norouz and Talk:Norouz and the AFD, etc), and have expanded and sourced it completely so I'm not anti-Kurdish in any way. However, I believe the current way the mythology section is presented is the most NPOV and logical way of doing it by first presenting the most well known version of the legend, and how the Kurdish version differs from it. Regards, -- Jeff3000 22:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Kurds
Hello heja, I wonder why you tend to disregard Minorsky's research? Asoyrun 00:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, then why not solve the problem through dialogue and discussion, and not revertings. Revert warring does not help to solve it, instead, it often causes negative results for both parties. There seem to be a lot of sources discussing Kurdish cause and struggle. I dont think that article from Britannica is even accurate.
 * Anyways I think there are much more important articles related to Kurds which are still a tiny stub. Asoyrun 00:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I noticed that you provided academic sourcs. I did not mean the section about Sumerians and Kurds. I've heard about this long time ago. even the word Kurd has been suggested to have a Sumerian origin.
 * The reason I said it seems to be inaccurate was another thing. Asoyrun 01:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me
I've asked Ali to stop; you should also participate on the discussion on the article's talk page, regarding his differences with you. Thanks, – Riana shiny disco balls 05:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Kurdistan
Hi, the WikiProject for Kurdish related topics has been started and there is still an ongoing discussion about renaming it. You added your name to the list of interested Wikipedian’s on the proposal page, if you still are interested I would like you to join in on the discussion, and please feel free to ask questions or post your opinions on the talk page. Here is the link to the main project page.WikiProject Kurdistan    --D.Kurdistani 19:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Dahak
Hi heja, This scholar: Mario Liverani, in one of his articles about Medes history has discussed the Kurdish legend of Kawa and Dahak and Newroz. In his article there is no mention of a Persian Zahak, instead he suggests that if we seek a historic background for this legend it could have been fall of Assyrians by Median highlanders. So please dont add that Persian Zahak which neither is popular nor is logical according to history. Thanks. Asoyrun 21:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

A Time for Drunken Horses
A recent edit to A Time for Drunken Horses states that the title of the movie should be translated into English as "A Time for Drunken Mules". Of course, in the movie, we see mules, not horses. I'm wondering why there is this discrepancy between these two animals. Does the Kurdish title actually say "drunken mules"? Is the editor correct in his assertion? Zzorse 23:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:Revert
I have apologised on my talk page.--Rossheth | Talk to me 17:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)