User talk:Vekoler/Archive: 26 June 2007 - 23 May 2008

Kurdish Christians
thank you for helping out with the Kurdish Christians article. You have really helped the article become more NPOV; however till everyone can agree I think it is best if we keep the POV template on the article or at least above the disputed section. Again thank you for helping with an article that desperately needed(and still needs) help ChrisLamb 01:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Appreciation !
Dorood Heja,

Thank you for works, and taking the care of Mazandarani related articles from being vandalaized, I appreciate it, and please give me the chance to having a Kurd friend like you, --Ali 12:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Tapuria
Hi, I saw those articles, Actually i don't know so much about King Gashnasp, And it would be appreciated if you help me to completeing this article (Edit it freely and clean missy notes and texts, if anything there ), Qaren is an arebicized versin of Karen, as well as bavend, which is in fact Pavend. I think using real names is prefered. Did you mean Paduspanids who ruled Royan region of former Tapuria kingdom ? --Ali 17:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you are right, but i am not sure this current article in my user page has the correct year numbers or not, Since i saw many different year number for one king, But i'll start it ! Thank you for contributing ! --Ali 22:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Warning
Be mindful of WP:NPA and WP:Civility and do not label other editors like you did here. Also, do not remove POV tags, when I have explained my reasons on the talk page of the article that needs checking for POV, doing so is considered vandalism. --Mardavich 05:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think it is a reasonable request to keep the POV-check on the Corduene article for awhile. The idea that the name of Kurds is related to the name of the Roman provence is unusual and have to be checked once more. Lets wait until some neutral editor would check the issue Alex Bakharev 05:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Mihranids
Hi Heja. Who are those Arsacid-related Mihranids? They lost their power just after Islamic conquest and shortly after that we had a tribal federation exactly with that name who even joined and helped Saladin. Thanks. Brusk u Trishka 23:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ottomans
Look at what you reverted: Why did you remove all of that? In good faith I'll ask you to undue your blind revert, otherwise I'll have to report that, as it is completely unnecessary. The fact tags are also completely unnecessary. First of all, there is already a source for the Ottoman Empire (see list of Turkic states and empires, that was what was agreed). Furthermore, who are you to deny the Iranic culture and people of the Kurds?Hajji Piruz 00:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sources are clearly provided showing the Iranic aspect of the Ottomans (culturally mostly).Hajji Piruz 17:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * See List of Turkic states and empires, the issue has been discussed there I believe.Hajji Piruz 17:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The Ottomans identified themselves as Muslims and only Muslims (they didnt even identify themselves as Turks). I changed it to say Turkic Persianate, better? Also, you should be reminded that it is a sourced statement, therefore, a fact tag doesnt apply.Hajji Piruz 17:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This is an open encyclopaedia. Anyone can remove or add information. Just because one piece of information is included in one article that is not in another isnt basis for anything.Hajji Piruz 19:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The claim is ridiculous of course. Apart from the fact that Persian language was used by Ottoman court, just like few other Muslim dynasties used it as lingua franca, as well as Russian courts often used French in 18-19th century, claiming Ottomans as Persian is as ridiculous as would be claiming Russians as Russo-French. Atabek 18:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Slaw
Gelek spas brai azziz Wolfmankurd 21:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Osroene
What do you mean the etymology is clearly Arab? HOW? I have given you different 'acedemic sources indicating otherwise. So how can you say clearly? Chaldean 23:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, why do you consider yourself Kurdish? Because you speak Chinese? No, because you speak Kurdish. Chaldean 23:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please just listen to what you are saying: You want to change the identity of an entire kingdom because of what one paper says? But what about the 50 other pages that contract it? I mean its common sense, really. Do you think you sound fair? I can bring one source right now stating Kurds are of Turkish origin. Should I go change the entire Kurdish people origin's section? Absolutely not. Chaldean 23:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As moderator User:Garzo indicated, ethnicity is a new idea in our world. Their where no clear cut ethnicity in those times. But historically, one is labelled what he speaks. For example, Ephrem the Syrian (A Osroenean) is not considered an Arab, simply because his mother tung was Syriac. I think you need to do more reading about the issue (School of Nisibis is an interesting small article). And also keep in mind, during the time we are talking about (200 BC - 200 AD) this was the time where Assyrian became Syrian among the Syriac speaking people. So your not going to find "Assyrian as an ethnic designation for population of Osroene"  but rather a group of people that share a common language most likely called Syriacs/Syriac/Syrian/Suraya. Chaldean 23:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Osroene section
Hi Heja, I just moved the part you added about Osroene into the article. SPAAS--Skatewalk 03:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Heja I didn't remove Osroene its added in the the article. Its listed Below the Nabateans. Thanks for your contribution. --Skatewalk 22:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

EliasAlucard
After Osroene he began vandalizing the article. I had to revert it back.--Skatewalk 02:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Yazidi
Please try to maintain a NPOV on pages that refer to Kurds. As a Kurd you seem to be determined to remove all references to incidents that show the darker side of Kurdish history. The Yazidi stoning incident was a noteable and verfiable incident, dont remove it again please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sennen goroshi (talk • contribs) 13:54, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to discuss the constant reverts between you and I on the Yazidi and Kurdish women pages. It may be better if we deal with it in your talk page or mine, than just editing and re-editing the pageSennen goroshi 03:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

btw Heja, I dont know why you are still moaning, if you go to the United States page on wikipedia, it talks about the terrorist attack on the WTC.Sennen goroshi 14:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Shi'ite Crescent
Hi I have changed the map. I had planed it long before but i hadn't not much time. The problem is to create a map which also shows really a Crescent, so i used in the 1st version a wrong one and draw the line through the sunni kurdish north, cause i let mark Iraq as a generally part. Because in geopolitical discussion they see Iraq as an unity. --Japan01 22:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Kurdish Christians(10/01/07)
Please do not take down the pov template from the article Kurdish Christians I did register my concerns on the talk page before i posted the pov-check template. Also for the citations needed tags i placed instead of removing them please add the citations it would give the article more credibility. Also I have requested that the Wikipedia Neutrality Project review the article as a third party ChrisLamb 03:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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Foolish act
I caught you removing the history of the Assyrian people template from osreone article. Why did you do it? You think it was going to get unnoticed? You being a Kurd, makes the act even worse. I will be waiting for your apology.Chaldean (talk) 21:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Kurdzman Church of Christ.jpg
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Jeremiah Wright
Thanks for fixing up the "Controversies" section I created. Of course, his admirers came in and deleted everything you and I added. He "forcefully and eloquently" preaches against racism but there is no mention of his church's connection to Louis Farrakhan. So much for truth and objectivity at Wikipedia. -- Gerkinstock (talk) 02:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Nezami
See []. Now show me an article where Ibn Khalikhan influenced modern Kurdish culture which his Arabic book on biography of different Muslim personalities? Besides not only Nizami's ancestry goes back to Shaddadid times from his fatherline (with their capital in Ganja), but he orphaned early and was raised by his Kurdish maternal uncle (Khwaja Umar who was his Khaal (Maternal Uncle) and whom he references and laments over his death) and was a major influence on Ahmad Xani. So he was raised by his Kurdish uncle in an obvious Kurdish cultural envirnoment (note he says Khusraw o Shirin is his faviourate story which is a very popular folkloric and musical piece even today in Kurdistan). Minorsky: "On the other hand, Nizami's mother was of Kurdish origin, and this might point to Ganja where the Kurdish dynasty of Shaddad ruled down to AH. 468 ; even now Kurds are found to the south of Ganja.". Also probably the first figure (besides the small reference in Ferdowsi) to write about Kurds in Persian poetry (see his long story in Haft Paykar about the Kurd and his daugher). I think he had much more influence than Ibn Khalikan and Ibn Athir, specially given the popularity of Khusraw o Shirin and Farhad in the popular culture. Discuss it with Kurdish editors who put his name in the respective article and if they agree, then fine. But for now me and those other editors (by the fact they put his name) disagree. But if those editors agree (and please refer them to this discussion), then Okay. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 10:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Salam Heja. Please see this: []
 * and this: His mother was an Iranian Kurd and it is possible that his father had the same ethnic origin, though he is claimed also by Turkish Azerbaijanis as being of their stock.(Great Literature of the Eastern World p. 505, by Ian Philip McGreal, Published 1996, ISBN 0062701045). Note Ganja was the capital of Shaddadids in Arran.  So he was probably full but definitely 100% half Kurdish and I think I brought enough sources to mention him in the category of writers (albeit in the others).  And this one from Kurdistan time claims him as so: [] (in Turkish though).   --alidoostzadeh (talk) 11:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ON the other issue, believe me 100%, the followers of the group will find that very insulting. Also I have a copy of Burhan al-Haqq which is a authoritative as well as the Kurdish texts Saranjam.  In the Burhan al-Haqq, the other name of Sultan Sahak is Sultan Es-haaq  and as you already know Sahak is a form of Es-haaq (showed that through google book).  I did not remove all that fringe Median theory/Astyage or Zahak might seem like a good character by some other writers (which is really modern viewpoint and not grounded in historical texts).  I personally do not care about that as much although I think it is baseless.  But the other issue about Sahak/Zahak is not only wrong etymologically, but it is also deeply insulting.  So I hope you consider that point (despite our differences). Thanks.  Cejna Newrozh Piroz be. :)  --alidoostzadeh (talk) 12:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Newroz as celebrated by Kurds
Can you take a look at Newroz as celebrated by Kurds. There are those that are removing verifiable information. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 02:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Please do not spam
I have found what you have spammed 15 talk pages of different users with an edit made by User:Ali doostzadeh made something 3 months ago. I could not find any legitimate purpose of this campaign other than to steer troubles and disrupt work of an Encyclopedia. Please do not do it again Alex Bakharev (talk) 03:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Please don't bring up matters that have no real relevance to this encyclopedia. Political matters only heat tensions, and by bringing this up (out of context as well), you're not helping matters. Please refrain from such behavior in the future. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 03:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

regarding this change
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 * You said "Image is used on Wikipedia and is relevant to the current article", That is right, but the policy of using images has changed in the Wikipedia:Every single use of non free images need to have a separate detailed fair use rationale for each use.Again please read WP:NFCC and WP:RAT for more information.Thank you --Alborz Fallah (talk) 09:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The change in Kurdish people article
Your changes are major.As I mentioned before, if there is going to be a change, every single change should be disscused .I mean undoing every change in a "massive", "bulky" manner would be of no help .The Rubins article is his personal view and is written in an unofficial website , so it may not be mentioned in Wikipedia as a source,and I do think it should be deleted ; but anyway ,Graeme Wood , the writer of slate magazine is reliable and his slate article has been accepted on PKK without any objections,anyway, this writer views were noticeable enough to be mentioned on report for congress page 3 footnote About the picture ,"Firing squad",there should be a discussion on fair use of the unfree image and there maybe an argument about "invalid fair-use claim" about it. About the lead section, there is no reference mentioned on lead , but your change in " The Kurds are an Iranian-speaking ethnolinguistic group indigenous to a region often referred to as Kurdistan " (I mean deleting "Iranian people/Iranian speaking") is not supported by the scientific data. If you think the note on "dialects" of Kurdish,should be deleted from the article, that is well referenced , I think there have to be a discussion on talk page. And about the connection between Dimli (Southern Zaza), Kirmanjki (Northern Zaza) ,I think the text may not be changed. Thank you so much.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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Silav
I am seeing many kurd related articles have names written in kurdish alphabet (latin version) on english wikipedia. For example I'd expect Hakkâri Province, Çukurca, Şemdinli, and Yüksekova should have had names respectively Hakkari Province, Chukurja, Shamdinli, and Yuksekova on english wikipedia. Thank you. --Gulmammad (talk) 12:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the message on my talk page, although it is my mother language, for obvious reasons unfortunately I cant write and read it well.