User talk:VenusFeuerFalle

when searched Qur'an,at the first passage in wikipedia for arabic word sura, the engilsh was given suwar which represents pig in hindi. i would like to request get it reviewed and corrected please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.111.205.105 (talk) 16:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for your Review of Al-Ahad
Hello!

Thanks for paying attention and pointing out that the reference I used said Essay. This was a mistake on my end. I used a citation machine to generate the citation and I picked Essay by mistake. The book is instead an acedemic book that is written by a specialized scholar about the names of God.

The mistake is now fixed.

Thanks for the help!

Yousof YousofSulaiman (talk) 22:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Greetings!
 * Thank you very much for being civil about it. Many Users see reverts as a personal attack. In most cases, as annoying as reverts might be, are just to protect a neutral viewpoint. If we were to allow essay, master-thesis, self-published sources etc., even if their claims are correct, we run danger into waddling into WP:OR. Therefore, we prioritize the quality of publishing over the actual claims of the sources. Not paying attention to the creditablity is a common mistake even done by experienced editors, especially when the editor is familiar with a topic, they might mistake "correct" sources with authentic ones. Recently I had my edits on demon reverted, because I accidently used an unreliable source for a huge part on Zorastrian demons. It is frustrating, but it needs to be done. I want to let you know that your efforts and ambitions are very much appreciate. with best regards VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Later changes on sharia
I see that you have reverted some minor changes I made in the introduction of the Sharia article. The purpose of these changes was; Emphasizing the abstract meaning of sharia and thus making the reader understand why fiqh and Ahkam are discussed in the following sentences and not sharia, logical flow, second The expression "qualified jurists" used for muftis, of course I know what this means, but for an encyclopedia, this definition is not a statement that can be taken absolute neutrally. and so on... Thank you for your interestNGC 628 (talk) 07:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * You did not respond to my previous discussion and reverted my later, more far-reaching changes for one simple reason. First of all, I thought you were an arrogant person. But I see that this behavior is related to you being extremely busy. If you want progress regarding the article, discuss it, go into detail, avoid personal and relative evaluations and follow wikipedia policies or, more clearly, go by giving a reason through Wikipedia policies. If you don't have time to do these, you can stop taking ownership of the articles and wait for others to make progress.NGC 628 (talk) 08:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the late reply, I am indeed oftne busy, and mostly on Wikipedia in my free-time. I do enjoy editing articles. One can learn new thigns and share knowledge with others, idealistically making the world a bit better, and I am happy to see like-minded people.
 * Regarding the reverts, first I am sorry if you feel overlooked. It was not my intention to ignore any request. Regarding the edits, there was soemthing I thought as a disimporvement of quality.
 * "On the contrary, fiqh, which includes source criticism especially on hadiths and decree methods such as meaning and logical inference of the text, refers to the interpretations of Islamic scholars; ahkam, practical application side of sharia, in a sense, refers to the results reached by scholars with these sources and intellectual methods they use. Fatwas, on the other hand, consist of religious decisions made by muftis on specific issues" is not better than "Arabic, the term sharīʿah refers to God's immutable divine law and this referencing is contrasted with fiqh, which refers to its interpretations by Islamic scholars. Fiqh, practical application side of sharia in a sense, was elaborated over the centuries by legal opinions issued by qualified jurists and sharia has never been the sole valid legal system in Islam historically; it has always been used alongside customary law from the beginning, and applied in courts by ruler-appointed judges,  integrated with various economic, criminal and administrative laws issued by Muslim rulers."
 * Other parts of your edits were actually helpful such as "As can be seen in many examples, classification is relative. For example, believing in the existence and miracles of Awliya is presented as a 'condition' for orthodox Islam by many prominent Sunni creed writers such as Al-Tahawi and Nasafi and is accepted in traditional Sunnis and Shi'ism. However, this understanding, along with expressions of respect and visits to the graves of saints, are seen as unacceptable heresy by puritanical and revivalist Islamic movements such as Salafism, Wahhabism and Islamic Modernism." Although they might need a bit of rephrasing. It is not "relative", but "subjective". However, I could have done this without revert. Nonetheless, I do not see an improvement in your edits of the lead-section. Furthermore, if there is further dispute, I would like to discuss this on the talkpage, since it is more likely that other editors might see it overwhere and can interfere their opinions on that matter.
 * with kind regards VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your explanation. Once any of my contributions are published, they are no longer mine. If you don't find it useful, you can take it back. However, what you consider unimportant may be important for people living in different geographies. It would be beneficial for the article to progress if you explain it in detail and open it up for discussion if necessary.NGC 628 (talk) 06:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "'However, what you consider unimportant may be important for people living in different geographies. It would be beneficial for the article to progress if you explain it in detail and open it up for discussion if necessary.'" fair point. THe one quote I posted, nonetheless, was not a matter of geographic disagreements. This is why I am confident, this is not an improvement. Sharia was never a uniform or codified scripture-like set of rules, and never limited to the Quran and Sunnah alone. It is the favored approach in contemporary times (some also add the founder fathers of the Sunni madhabs), but we cannot make anachronistic claims in an article, especially not in the lead-section. Please note, that we do not want to claim which interpretation should be favored, nor do we want to list all interpretations possible (they would be too many), but limit ourselves to what reliable sources have to say on that matter. When historicans agree that Sharia was not a codified law until the 18th or 19th Century (do not remember the exact date), we cannot give it equal weight than to the opinion of Muslim jurists arguing that "sharia was always Quran and Sunnah alone and the rest is a deviation". Such claims are "intra-religious" and rest more on beliefs than historical data. This does not even mean that the intra-religious opinions are correct, they ultimately rely on the findings not only about written sources, but also societies. As you brought up, the consensus might even shift depending on geographical region. Nonetheless, on Wikipedia, we regard academic consensus as the guideline, and if you are aware of both the possibilities and the limitations, it can be a very helpful tool. Yet, it is, of course not infallable. For example, Wikipedia is, as a tertiary source, the last source updated. New results will first be pulbished in secondary sources, while the primary sources might ahve existed long ago, and only afterthat, then we as Wikipedians discover the secondary sources, it finds its way to Wikipedia. I want to take your advise too heart and have a better eye on reverts especially when I am in a hurry. Wikipedia is done best, when one is relaxed.
 * with kind regards VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:08, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * First of all, I believe that those who make contributions to Wikipedia by writing and those who retract these contributions with good and correct reasons provide equal service. In this respect, I see every action as a positive contribution. Another point is that with Wikipedia, we, and perhaps the whole society that benefits from it, can benefit from what is written mentally and improve understanding. In my opinion, the most important condition for this is that, in addition to impartiality, "different opinions" are presented without disrupting harmony, taking into account their weights, and especially in an understandable manner.
 * The issues you mentioned in response will be more understandable to me if you go through concrete examples. For example, it would be useful if you exemplify an anachronism or other problems you detect in my contributions.
 * Regards from me too.NGC 628 (talk) 08:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind reply and I wholeheartedly agree. I want to check the exat edits to provide an example as soon as I have time, to give an appropriate reply. Currently, I am having a strict schedule again. (strictly speaking, I writing this while working)
 * with best regards VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So, I finally found time (and energy for a reply).
 * I think my issue was that this part was undone
 * "Fiqh, practical application side of sharia in a sense, was elaborated over the centuries by legal opinions issued by qualified jurists and sharia has never been the sole valid legal system in Islam historically; it has always been used alongside customary law from the beginning, and applied in courts by ruler-appointed judges, integrated with various economic, criminal and administrative laws issued by Muslim rulers."
 * I think the part with customary law is important, since there was no codified sharia, and Quran and Hadiths rather aided than defined "Sharia Law" in pre-Modern times. I apologize if it was just moved, but I could not find it in the alternative version. Maybe it was also removed by accident (this happens often during larger edits).
 * with best regards VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 02:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The phrase that bothered me in terms of impartiality in this section was the phrase "qualified jurists". I took it away and you brought it back.(with last change) NGC 628 (talk) 06:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you object about "qualified jurists"? To derive rulings for the Sharia, one had to be qadi or faqih. A non-qualified scholary opinion has no value in Islamic jurisprudence. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "Qualified" may be the right word to indicate a degree, but it is also an honorific adjective, which may not be appropriate for Wikipedia's neutrality policies.NGC 628 (talk) 06:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I do not think that "qualified" is used as a honorific, it is pretty much a technical term, just like "authorized exegesis" in reference to "tafsir". In contrast, everyone is doing "exegesis" by reading the Quran, since interpretation is unavoidable, but it has no authority. However, neither "qualified" nor "authority" are honorifics, and I cannot recall anyone using the term to honor anyone. What terminology would fit better in your opinion? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For example, only mufti or "Islamic legal theorist" would be an appropriate phrase.NGC 628 (talk) 07:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * But is a mufti not exactly that? A "qualified" jurist? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * you are correct but mufti is not only a scholar but also kind of a preacher. We should avoid using "qualified" for muftis, priests etc. it closes all doors of criticism. as bias do exist, whether you like it or not. for eg: we don't say qualified priests said this about their religious scriptures so others research is irrelevant or non qualified. third person/source who has neutrally studied the scriptures is generally more reliable and qualified in this scenario 2409:40E3:6E:A553:51E0:D02A:FD2:DFA2 (talk) 18:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And you are NGC but not logged in? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 01:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not the one who wrote it, but it caught another person's attention.NGC 628 (talk) 06:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, I was just confused. Then I will just ignore them, until they add something to the discussion.
 * What do you think about the distiction between a qualified jurist and a mufti? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The issue is not whether a qualified jurist and a mufti are the same thing, or the quality of the muftis. The use of a word with an honorific meaning for a person or group poses a problem in terms of Wikipedia neutrality. I don't want to discuss this issue any further. If you have no objection, I can correct the article. Even if there are, it may be more beneficial to discuss it with other people who are interested in the subject.NGC 628 (talk) 07:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * But surely "jurist", esp. "qualified jurist", and also words like "professor", are also in some sense "honorifics". Neutral point of view does not mean "no point of view", meaning we can't use any word of import for anyone. Remsense  诉  07:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As you noted accurately "in some sense"NGC 628 (talk) 08:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * What has this to do with "some senses"? I do not want to transgress, but do you understand the language we are communicating? Some of your replies would make sense if you use aid from a translator or AI, as a lot of your replies are completely out of context. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would have been helpful if you were using the talkpage of the article instead of my personal talkpage. As I said before, "qualified jurist" is no honorific in the English language, but an adjective describing a subject. Therefore, I do not follow your arguement as it rests on wrong assumptions. Comparably, "authorized exegetes of the Quran" is a preferred translation for "mufassirun". Following your arguement, "authorized" would be a "honorific" as well, but it is not. It is simply a translation or a description Further, I do not see how this violates a neutral viewpoint, since it is an objective statement that they are "qualified" to make such statements within the system they are operating in. If you want to close the discussion, it is fine by mean, but this means status quo remains and you edits are not accepted, since you failed to reach a consensus. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Third opinion
I requested for a third opinion regarding the dispute in WikiProject Islam here ☆SuperNinja2☆ 16:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I could not find any dispute listed. Has the dispute been resolved already? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Demon
Looks like you broke several citations with that last (but very needed) edit. Skyerise (talk) 21:14, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing out, I do my best to repair what I ahve broken, needs some time since I also want to update the Islam section. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 21:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Yah. Figured you weren't done. Didn't want to make edit conflicts... Skyerise (talk) 23:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

apologizing
sorry for saying something without knowledge about the word sura and suwar 2400:C600:337D:6F7E:1:0:17B6:FA01 (talk) 16:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Ghoul
Hello there @VenusFeuerFalle! I saw that you recently reverted my edit here. The change I made basically rephrased the narrative according to the Hadith provided in the source: https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:2880. The Sunan al-Tirmidhi is one of the authentic sources of hadith; the hadith which narrates the story mentioned in the article does not say that the Ghul promised Abu Ayyub al-Ansari to teach the Ayat Al-Kursi, rather it says that the Ghul told him the benefit of reciting the Ayat Al-Kursi. This would be the most authentic source we can get for this story, if you want me to have a look at some other source, like which you mentioned in your edit summary, then please do so. If not, I would request you to please undo your edit. Thank you.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   23:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not allow users to conduct research on their own. YOu can take from my main-page: "Original Research: Wikipedia gathers researched information together, but does not do research itself. Doing research yourself (Original Research) is a great thing in science, but not in writing an encyclopedia. Remember what the project is about creating an encyclopedia, not a promoting your research findings."
 * You edit further had a lot of typos. If the current source is a primary source as well, you are free to remove this part entirely. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello there @VenusFeuerFalle. With all due respect, I am aware about Wikipedia's policies on original research. I find your opening statement, Wikipedia does not allow users to conduct research on their own, confusing. I do not consider the current source as a primary source since it is a Hadith that was preserved more than a thousand years ago. Furthermore, you are not addressing my concern. The source/hadith does not imply anywhere that the Ghul promised to teach Ayat Al-Kursi to anyone; if you read the source, you can easily interpret that the Ghul talked about the benefits of reciting Ayat Al-Kursi, rather than promising to teach it. You also mentioned that my edit had a "lot of" typos, from what i can see is that in my edit I misspelled 'information' as 'inofrmation'. Your reply here also has a "lot of" grammatical errors which I can point to. Anyways, I am editing the article as I see fit. If you can sufficiently address my concerns, I will revert myself. Until then, please don't revert my edit without proper explanation.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   20:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * To ensure that there are no concerns about the statement being backed up by a primary source, I have replaced it with a better one.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   20:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, it is indeed much better and helps to keep WP:NPOV. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 02:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

third opinion request
A request for a third opinion on Talk:Jinn has been made at Third_opinion --Louis P. Boog (talk) 16:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @VenusFeuerFalle, @Louis P. Boog
 * I came here from WP:3O to confirm whether VFF is communicated about WP:3O listing. I respect both of you as good WP editors.
 * I do have following suggestions to facilitate better discussion, and inputs by other users.
 * Separate edit disagreements issue by issue - and preferably number them to understand how many content disagreement exists.
 * Provide issue wise synopsis mentioning edit dif, Which sentence one user wants and the alternate competing suggestion by other user; why does it matter to either side; What are the policies and guidelines useful to provide inputs.
 * I suppose WP:Edit summary is usually brief statement to indicate what the edit is about and many times may not suffice as sufficient synopsis to understand the issue for other Wikipedia users.
 * I hope and wish issues get amicably sorted out in near future. Wish you happy editing to both of you. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 11:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Yazidis page
I saw you reverted an edit removing the claim that said that in the modern day, Yazidis face persecution from the PKK and ISIS. You said that the article makes it clear that the PKK is not helping Yazidis in their homeland despite saving them from ISIS, but not only is subjectively “not helping” them in the opinion of this article not even close to the same as claiming they’re being actively persecuted by them, the source itself is unreliable, as per Wikipedia’s own page, Milliyet is a right wing, Turkish nationalist newspaper, making it an unreliable source. Whether or not you think the YBŞ and thus PKK’s presence in Shengal is “helping them” is irrelevant to the claim that they face active persecution from them, especially on the same level as ISIS. Not to mention the fact that them “turning it into a warzone” still doesn’t change the fact that it’s Turkey who are conducting drone strikes there. Please remove the claim that Yazidis are persecuted by the PKK from the article, regardless of whether or not you like them, the sources are terrible by Wikipedia standards and the argument doesn’t even make sense Serok Ayris (talk) 12:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Right-Wing does not mean "inaccurate". There are a lot of right-wing news, recently, sources from Israel regarding the Middle Eastern conflict.
 * The PKK is charged with taking young Kurdish people in the Eastern regions of Turkey to grom them into a terrorist organization. This is pretty much persecution.
 * I know there can be different viewpoints and I am usually willing to discuss disputes out, but I have my limits when we actively support or defend terrorists organization. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 01:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * First of all, the PKK disputes claims of kidnapping, as do its supporters, secondly, how does that mean they persecute Yazidis? Are we now gonna say Palestinians as an ethnicity are persecuted by Hamas because according to Israel they “turned Gaza into their base”? No, because thinking something is bad for a people is not equal to active persecution. Regardless of your views on them, claiming the PKK “persecutes” Yazidis on anywhere near the same level of ISIS using a biased source with terrible arguments that don’t make any sense is essentially genocide denial, as you are equating a group that saved Yazidis and gave them the means to fight back against ISIS with the group that committed genocide against them. Perhaps you can put something in the article saying “some people argue the PKK’s presence in Sinjar negatively affects Yazidis” but you’d also have to mention the fact that TURKEY does these airstrikes in the first place. Putting the blame solely on the PKK’s presence and then using this as an excuse to compare them to ISIS is absolutely ridiculous. This isn’t even about if you like them or not, this is just obviously ridiculous and biased language towards a Turkish perspective, and if we were to keep this ridiculous comparison, we might as well add Turkey to the list of things persecuting them considering the drone strikes Serok Ayris (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "Yazidis on anywhere near the same level of ISIS using a biased source with terrible arguments that don’t make any sense is essentially genocide denial, as you are equating a group that saved Yazidis and gave them the means to fight back against ISIS with the group that committed genocide against them. Perhaps you can put something in the article saying “" you are putting words into my mouth. If you think the source belongs to unreliable sources bring this issue fourth there it belongs, although I already suspect you have your own personal view on this. And as I said, I have my boundaries, and then we even consider the opinion of terrorists as potential "minor opinion", they are crossed. It is like claiming that the Islamic flag is identical with the black flag of ISIS. All this is just advertising or promoting deviant groups to push their own agenda. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not your terrorist recruitment.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 20:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I’d argue putting the PKK on any level close to ISIS in terms of harm done to Yazidis is the only “advertising” done here. I’m not even asking to add anything, I’m just saying not to list the PKK along with ISIS as the main groups Yazidis are persecuted by Serok Ayris (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * PKK also persecutes Kurdish people who do not join their group. By mentioning them next to each other, no one states that they are equal in their audacities, but PKK does persecute Kurdish people, ISIS does persecute Kurdish people as well (well, ISIS persecutes everyone but this is irrelevant here). VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Zoroastrianism
Just noticed your removal of the use of a Masters thesis on Jinn; FYI, we've also got a problem editor trying to use them on Zoroastrianism. Skyerise (talk) 12:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out. I added Zorastrianism to my watchlist to keep an eye on it. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 14:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I reviewed the discussion by now. The source added seems to be published by the Journal Homo Oeconomicus by Springer Nature. Springer Nature is a peer review publisher which meets the criteria for a reliable source. I do not want to heat up the discussion, so before I confuse things, I sought to consult you that it this point, I think the other user might be right. Is it possible that something has been overlooked here?--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There were two sources involved. The one removed was a Master's thesis. The one restored is the one you mentioned. The editor has the habit of citing with bare links, which did lead to a bit of confusion for a minute. Skyerise (talk) 03:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, bad formatting can be a problem. I am glad you help out with that on many articles. Also, thanks for clarification. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The discussion kinda escalted, I am not sure if I can keep track with what exactly is going on now. I want to keep an eye on it and unreasonable changes on the main article though. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 13:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Louis P. Boog (talk) 16:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Excuse my occasional postmodernism
My personal academic projects often involve how sets (in the formal sense of the word) can be used to destabilize categories - insert constant references to Deleuze, Quentin Meillassoux and Borges here - so looking at a religion where there does appear to be a healthy debate regarding clear categorization is just like... it's like candy to me being perfectly honest. It's why I've been interested in the political-economic assessment of the transition from polytheism to monotheism that Researcher1988 found. It's, frankly, directly up my alley. But I want to assure you I'm not going to let these personal preoccupations impact article copy beyond precisely what I've been arguing for - that we don't put in Wiki voice statements that are disputed within the academy and, instead, describe the terms of the dispute. Simonm223 (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I would be open to disregard classifications of religions altogether, since it is a disputed matter. However, then it needs to be done equally. A similar issue has arisen recently on a Christian and Islamic talkpage about the term "Abrahamic religion". However, if we go with the general consensus, Zorastrianism is the prime example of Dualism just next to Manichaeism. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 18:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

My opinion
@VenusFeuerFalle, May be you missed on my advice to LPB on their talk page, I suppose you would find that was fair enough.

I am firm believer in we are here for focusing content, that is how I do have impression about you too.

I suggested taking the discussion back to the track of content dispute resolution course if it has gone off the track. After my advice to be fair to LPB opted for WP:DRN rather than escalating on personal lines.

I learned my own mistakes from WP:DR and WP:RfC mechanism. Rather than one single person explaining different people have different ways to explain and that helped me. What happens new people do not know how to approach WP:RSN and confirm reliability, writing a neutral synopsis WP:3O DRN and RfC. In my case experienced users helped me write all those things for me in spite of their different views on content. That helped me a lot.

To be fair LPB at least uses refs, LPB are content oriented enough and I look forward LPB use more reliable academic sources.

MOS is important but many other copy-edit templates and copy-editors, and copy editors guild can help. Of course you would appreciate I told LPB to take your legitimate concerns into account. Hence I suggest rather than stretching things on personal level joining back to their content side concerns.

I hope you would consider point that even many GA and FA articles lapse after some years when editors looking after them retire at some point of time. That does not mean articles not be taken to GA but best way to take them to that level taking other users too in confidence so when we retire some users remains to take care of the same. Who can be better than who take interest in the article, if we succeed in mentoring them better. I know that's additional hard work, but can there be any better way out than taking others on board and mentoring.

You would appreciate I am among those few who helps calming down. I would suggest you the same thing to preferably collapse personal aspects at the article talk page and resume with content aspect again with AGF if you do not mind.

I would be very much interested in sharing my content related views for, and look forward to betterment of the article.

Wish you happy editing and wish your dreams to take articles to GA materialize.

&#32;Bookku   (talk) 10:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I hope they take your concerns to heart. I appreciate the User's ambition, but if they constantly ignore any advise and as soon as they are faced with a revert takes it somehow personal (I see no alternative to explain their behaviour), I see no future. Maybe they need to hear this advise by another editor. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Iblis
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Iblis you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of A. Parrot -- A. Parrot (talk) 07:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment/Muhammad in Islam/1
Is there a reason you've commented out your reasons for reassessment? Currently the situation here is kinda confusing as to what you want to do here. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 20:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I followed the manual steps for reassessment as per WP:GAR. Step 3 states that my "rationale must specify how you believe the article does not meet the good article criteria." I thought I was exactly doing that. Please let me know, if there are any misunderstandings and where they lie at. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Is this ok now?
Referring to. I don't think so. Not sure if he's avoided copyvio again, but the edit looks pretty poor, including his clumsy English (IMHO) which he justified in an edit summary. He's messing up a lot of articles, doesn't understand yet he needs to source, etc. Doug Weller  talk 07:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * not really, just haven't been online again yet. Yes, the user is making a lot of mistakes. However, since I had a frustrating discussion recently on Zorastrianism with a user being straightfowardly offensive and using Wikipedia for religious propaganda (which they even implicitly confirmed), and a few other users on the jinn and shaitan article because they confuse these two articles and do not even get their ow sources straight, I do not have the resources to explain the mistakes to them again. If you feel like they should be helped, I want be glad if you can take this over. For my part, I created an FAQ on my main page to give new editors a quick introduction. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 17:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn’t think they could be helped. User talk:Philipbrochard Doug Weller  talk 18:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I feel like there are a lot of Users showing up recently who are not here to built an encyclopedia but just want their opinions to be seen in public. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 18:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I also think I’ve seen an increase. Doug Weller  talk 19:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Fyi
@VenusFeuerFalle

As user LPB and TheEagle107 requested I did guide them about WP:RfC-Before steps at my talk page. And I also requested them (and also request you) to have a look at WT:RFC. I look forward to healthy discussion and amicable resolution. Best wishes to every one. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 05:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I doubt it works looking at @TheEagle107'S comments and accusations behind my back, but I will ignore this. I really have beter things to do than in engaging in trivial discussions about one's opinions about other people. Worst case, I have to go throught he buercracy to report them to the admin board and show the evidence of misconduct over the last two years in Islam related articles. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 17:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I positively hopeful for the reason is I posted following message on their talk page like I post on other user's talk page and also WT:RFC and I received 3 thanks clicks from TheEagle107 besides I have received thanks for my discussion facilitation efforts from LPB and you too.


 * See my view has been that shifting focus from content to personal concerns benefits the accuser to take content dispute off the track. Solution is from your side give primacy to content dispute and take the discussion back to the track again at earliest.
 * About personal side usually best solution meet impatience of accuser with patience. Address legitimate concerns so the other side would have less scope to continue off the track.
 * Refactoring requests
 * Where personal accusations are clearly factually wrong, arrogant or insulting Wikipedia has a discussion culture where in you reach out to such user at their talk page with section heading 'Refactoring requests'. Cite their specific objectionable difs, mention your concern and request them to correct their sentences. After coming such request a user is generally expected to do self introspection and drop their stick and correct their improper mentions and sentences.
 * If they don't do leave it their for future users who are similarly affected from similar behavior shall take them to the task at appropriate forum with list of improper behaviour and then community warns. In my point of view this is smarter to save our own time, stress and focus.
 * I hope you would find my suggestions helpful enough.

Once you go through WP:RFC content issues will get resolved any ways.

Wish you happy editing &#32;Bookku   (talk) 16:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello.
Hi, I had a few questions for you. How can you use a "wiki" source? Or, for example, a source from another language only if it is possible to relate to the topic under discussion? And users who are closed with the name of saboteur, will all their edits be deleted or only saboteur edits? And the other question is how to go to higher levels in Wikipedia? thank you. Me. Asian Irani (talk) 17:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC) And by the way, those edits that you deleted from me were not from another Wikipedia, but from Wiki Fiqh and Wiki Vahdat. Those wikis are somewhat different from Wikipedia. Am I allowed to restore my edits? What should I do so that those words remain? I realized my mistake and on a page where I had cited wikis, I changed the sources as well as the text (: If there is anything else, please tell me.


 * Greetings
 * I recommand to use the sources used on the other Wikipedia. Wikipedia cannot cite Wikipedia to improve its reliablity. It is possible that editors make mistakes. If we cite Wikipedia frequently, such possible mistakes might add up. Instead, it is recommanded to use the citations. For an example of a translation, you can find examples on the article jinn, which uses a few sources in German.
 * You can use the view history function to go back to your version and then mark the relevant parts and copy them with right click -> copy and then insert it into the newest version. The text will be stored on your storage on your Computer. Once stored, you can edit the current version and then add your edits from before. Then you can make the required modifications and improve on the objections written in the edit summary.
 * I hope this helps
 * with best regards VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Fyi 2
Hopefully you would have noticed that two of your concerns raised at Talk:Jinn have been referred more inputs at WP:RSN (by me as discussion facilitator) and the OR issue at No original research/Noticeboard by LPB

Though your mention has been made in both discussion, but in case you miss then this is just to keep you informed. Wish you happy editing. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 03:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notifications. I have yet to check on them as I was not able to login on Wikipedia for a while due to scheduling concerns.
 * I will reply as soon as possible. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 16:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry making you a request again when may be you would be little upset. I request neutral synopsis / summary (non-personlised), preferably from any of users engaged in discussion. Though I am observing as discussion facilitator, still may not be aware of some nuances, you are the most worked editor and best placed to provide summary before proceed for RfC. &#32;Bookku    (talk) 17:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks.
 * To be honest, I do not even get what the user is about. I cannot make a (serious) synopsis about something I do not even get the point of myself. I was still waiting for a response to my objection weeks ago. I want to elaborate on the details in the synopsis, though I need to clear my mind first to take the discussion any serious, since it went into absurd directions in my opinion.Thank you again for your calmness. I had a week off and will be busy again soon, but I want to make synopsis as soon as possible.
 * best regards VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 03:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

May 2024
Please do not insert fringe or undue weight content into articles, as you did to Jinn. An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Please use the article's talk page to discuss the material and its appropriate weight within the article. Thank you.--TheEagle107 (talk) 20:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Jinn. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.--TheEagle107 (talk) 20:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

May 2024
Please stop. If you continue to insert fringe or undue weight content into articles, as you did at Jinn, you may be blocked from editing. Articles on Wikipedia do not give fringe material equal weight to majority viewpoints; content in articles are given representation in proportion to their prominence.TheEagle107 (talk) 16:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You are aware you can be permanently banned for doing this right? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for input on Eastern Esotericism talk page
Greetings! Since you have previously created topics at the talk pages of WikiProject Occult and is currently an active contributor, you might be interested in participating in the ongoing discussion occurring at Talk:Eastern esotericism, which focuses on proposals of splitting, balancing the proportion of information regarding the main subject and whether the article is adequately written in English. Best regards! Bafuncius (talk) 11:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tag, I appreciate that. However, currently despite this being a week ago, I rarely have time for editing and when I do, I am currently involved in a few tedious discussions. FOr that reason I cannot afford to read myself into the topic as it would be required to make a qualified judgement on this matter. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Yazidis
Hello, VenusFeuerFalle. You may need to take some action in Talk:Yazidis. An editor there is accusing you of using pro-Turkish government sources in content about the PKK, and introducing inaccuracies to the article. Dimadick (talk) 06:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing it out. I will have a look at this. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

RfC times
You seem to be on Wiki-break.


 * Idk you noticed or missed first ongoing RfC Talk:Jinn (as initiated by TheEagle107).
 * A note is left at Talk:Jinn#Next step about upcoming  RfC related to article expansion under discussion: Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment#Pl. suggest format for RfC.

Try to keep some time available for these two RfCs so as to share your content points at least once.

It might sound repetitive, but I hope you would not mind good intention behind requesting discussion summary to every one, due to multiple benefits one benefit can be it indirectly gives indication of your points in brief, even in one's absence. Looking forward to you joining back with joyful editing. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 02:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have been on a Wiki-Break, not least thanks to ongoing frustrating discussions, not only on the Jinn talkpage but overall, accumilated by other offensive editors just before this aweful discussion. I want to have a look at what is going on. To be honest, I hope it settled in my absense, but it seems there is still something going on and I do not even know what exactly we are talking about. I need to recollect first, while elsewhere someone pushes Propaganda by Terrorist Organziations VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Request to refactor
Requesting you to consider following points pertaining to your at Talk:Jinn
 * 1) See @ village pump proposal is to have formal mechanism to have neutral RfC facilitator, which I am already trying to help out to best of my abilities with at Talk:Jinn. That can work if every one follows RfC etiquette I already communicated. I have also communicated
 * See my view has been that shifting focus from content to personal concerns benefits the accuser to take content dispute off the track. Solution is from your side give primacy to content dispute and take the discussion back to the track again at earliest.


 * See my view has been that shifting focus from content to personal concerns benefits the accuser to take content dispute off the track. Solution is from your side give primacy to content dispute and take the discussion back to the track again at earliest.
 * About personal side usually best solution meet impatience of accuser with patience. Address legitimate concerns so the other side would have less scope to continue off the track.
 * Refactoring requests
 * Where personal accusations are clearly factually wrong, arrogant or insulting Wikipedia has a discussion culture where in you reach out to such user at their talk page with section heading 'Refactoring requests'. Cite their specific objectionable difs, mention your concern and request them to correct their sentences. After coming such request a user is generally expected to do self introspection and drop their stick and correct their improper mentions and sentences.
 * If they don't do leave it their for future users who are similarly affected from similar behavior shall take them to the task at appropriate forum with list of improper behaviour and then community warns. In my point of view this is smarter to save our own time, stress and focus.
 * I hope you would find my suggestions helpful enough.

Once you go through WP:RFC content issues will get resolved any ways.


 * 2) The summary I requested at Talk:Jinn is of content dispute. You are an experienced user you are aware that article talk pages are for content dispute and user talk pages and WP:ANI is for personal disputes. I feel bringing personal aspects within content discussion can be distracting and of limited help. I suggest and request to take your behavioural dispute to relevant user's talk page and if not resolved then to WP:ANI.
 * 3) I urge to focus on content dispute only @ Talk:Jinn at the most include a link about your behavioural concerns.
 * 4.1) While discussing your allegation of to 'gaming the system', You have included link which includes huge history of my User:talk page, which will be confusing to other readers and more over unnecessarily puts me in bad picture in spite of my all good faith efforts. I urge to give difs of specific individual edits only (emphasis added).
 * 4.2) where other users made personal complaints, like you, even to others, I told them also to focus on content only and keep personal issues aside while content dispute being sorted out. Even about Eagel communicated selectively I indicated that's not ideal and the other user while expressed their own opinion on my user talk page they have not joined at the article talk page. After that instance I have not seen any selective canvassing on part of Eagle.

4.3) I have tried to keep you informed at every important step including about discussion on my talk page, so you would agree that I am transparent enough from my side. So I wish you would take care that inadvertently you do not end up putting me also in bad light.
 * 5) Last but not least is use Template:dif to link and not the complete URL link. It's unnecessarily distracting and makes difficult to read and comprehend for readers.

Personalization of dispute after so much effort to avoid is disappointing for me. I urge to shift that comment in your sandbox rework properly and then discuss with concerned users on their talk page then if still not satisfied to ANI. You are an experienced rational user, I request you to compose yourself, I hope and request you would do the needful taking above points into consideration. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 04:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I want to apologize for considering dragging you into this. Just then I found time to apply for the request to sumamrize the keypoints, most of them I was not even aware off, I found out that you have been involved in writing behind my back with two users who constantly making accusations towards me without any evidence. I felt betrayed at the moment. Although I do not think it is neutral that one side is accusing someone else of all sorts of things, to the one who is accused of that, but it is not correct either to put someone who got dragged into a form of hounding on the same level. Although I wished that a neutral person would set clear boundaries then someone starts hounding or attempts to do canvassing. I cannot with the dif template, never worked, thats why I use the webpage templates. edit: But I also cannot see you as a neutral actor in this dispute, no matter the efforts. There should have been a clear line drawn then Louie and Eagle approached you on your talkpage and talked behind me. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 23:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Time to reflect
@ VenusFeuerFalle, I find, indulgence in and sorting out of personal altercations to be too complex process, I find such indulgence too exasperating and most times waste of time; that's neither my skill nor my focus.

I have had only single minded focus to help users to focus and prioritize on content instead of personal altercations (Please read again). I was/am facilitating discussions with simple principles like 1) We are here for content development and not for wasting time in personal acrimony 2) 'if you loose track of content discussion then go back to the content discussion".

Prima facie I find some of your contentions problematic in being hasty and untimely, not properly formed, lost in focus, some non-pragmatic and some even baseless; still like a gentle human I shall try to restudy and reflect how I can improve myself further to avoid getting engrossed in personal altercations and come back to you after my study and also would exercise to suggest area of improvements of involved users to best of my understanding which may help you also reflect and improve in due course.&#32;Bookku   (talk) 12:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeh, it was shining through in your attempt to mediate. I do agree that I might have been too hasty in my latest comment, although I had the best intentios to express my good will to set into dialogue while I could (and should) have reported much earlier. In Germany we say "if you reach out the finger, people will bite off your entire hand". However, I find it greatly insufferable to be dragged into this awful discussion because one User cannot discern a good source from a bad one and another User holding a personal grudge against me. edit: To make clear, I have no quarrels with you, and if the report against Eagle goes through, I will make clear that the report does not apply to you, since I am connvinved that Eagle told so much none-sense about me, that your jdugement is blurred. I hope I won't regret my indulgence again.VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @VenusFeuerFalle I hope and wish, your real life engagements and Wiki-breaks would have been helpful to you and your loved ones. Wikipedia is such a place, without any personal benefit everyone of us returns to contribute on topics dear to our hearts.
 * Since your last emotional outburst at talk:Jinn I have been thinking how I could have done better. I am contemplating to improve few WP essays topics incl. advance level evaluation of sources, summary writing etc. Though I had shared expected etiquette with you all, as matter of brevity, I shared some friendly advice with TheEagle107 for improvements. Updated my talk page talk to say WP:AGF and avoid WP:NPA and WP:CAN.
 * You know, I am too rational and also too prompt to demarcate personalization from real content issues, it's rather very difficult for me to get my judgements blurred by sundry personal criticism.
 * Reflecting on our own behavior can lead to personal growth and better outcomes in tough conversations. With this in mind, I hope you can look positively towards the upcoming conversation in next sub-section and cooperate to reach a constructive resolution. I believe in your ability to reflect and make any necessary adjustments, just as we're hoping the other persons will. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 13:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Points to reflect upon
@ VenusFeuerFalle
 * 1) Ideally, if we do not personalize issues at article talk page, sorting out content issues, at times can still remain lengthy, but not very difficult. Third opinion, DRN, then request inputs from respective notice boards and last is RfCs.
 * 2) As such you yourself very well knew that, personal issues are not to be discussed at article talk pages - but at user talk pages. Can you revisit for yourself how many times you have engaged in personalizing and discrediting other users with Ad hominem, that too for their alleged behavior from some other article? You yourself are afraid of 'grudge' affecting 'individual judgements' then casting personal aspersions on the basis of your experiences from other articles at Talk:Jinn is it not prejudicial? is it all the way fair enough?
 * 3) You are supposed to sort of personal aspects first by discussing at respective user pages, then mediator or Admin and then ANI. Do you really think it is fair and constructive to bypass this protocol and continue casting aspersions at Talk:Jinn?
 * 4) User pages are the place to sort out personal aspects. If other user is making mistake that needs to be improved upon then explain on their user talk page. Before directly going to ANI an admin or mediator can help sort out the issues, if possible. WP:NPA No doubts there is nothing ideal about personal aspersions, but after all  Wikipedia is collaboration among humans, and in heat of moments humans feel and express their frustration and that too not in most ideal ways. Can we not understand that others commit similar mistakes many times we also commit. If you have been intimated of such reach out, you are supposed to keep ahead your side in the same conversation,  point out other's mistake admit own mistakes and take steps back from both ends.
 * 5) Have you read the essay Avoiding difficult users you yourself refer to.: ".. instead, troublesome users are generally ignored, and so are their angry remarks about your wiki-reputation. .."; "..Most people have simply decided to ignore those difficult users and, also, ignore the veiled insults or other mud thrown at wiki-reputations. .."; ".. Instead, just keep a private list, off-line from Wikipedia, so that when the names of difficult users re-appear, you can review their infamous antics of the past, and take action. .."
 * 6)Issue of propriety: You and TheEagle107 both not only entered edit war but possibly both crossed WP:3RR whether both of you know infobox content can be WP:CTOP area? Mind yourself the admin categorized it rightly as content issue while you were trying to legitimize your participation in edit war as Eagle's vandalism; the admin forgave/ overlooked both of you and gave opportunity to sort out content issue at the article talk page. There after TheEagle107 did not deviate from content aspect and initiated RfC. The proposal, with which you agree, seems to have favorable  acceptance at RfC. When underlying issues are getting sorted out through RfCs still after coming from break instead of fresh positive mood you throw a surprising  wall of text of personalized complaints at the article talk page instead of sorting them through proper channel of User talk page admin then ANI?
 * 7) Approaching admins for guidance before ANI is valid way according to the policies, in that too I suggested LPB to approach last active admin from ANI to ensure neutrality while approaching admin too. It's unfortunate that one admin claimed busy another ignored for whatever reason third found it complex and suggested going to ANI. Two out of four approached by LPB were out of clearly classifiable as confusion and you attributed malice to LPB's confusion? Is this example of good faith Wikipedians are supposed to assume?  Hanlon's razor: "Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by confusion."
 * 8) If at all you took up TheEagle107 at ANI then why did not you mention difs of your 'particular experiences'* (incl. other involved articles and discussions) at ANI? Whether users are supposed to search your experiences through your wall of text at unrelated articles and unrelated difs? (*Here 'particular experiences' mean edit difs of 'TheEagle107'- emphasis being on particular-ness and relevance)
 * If you have complaints about LPB then take LPB too at ANI but what is the point to mix up LPBs approach to an admin that too out of confusion in complaint about TheEagle107? :If at all you think they are sock then sort that out at WP:SPI first before casting direct of indirect aspersions.

A Knowledgeable person's knowledge looks nice with their humbleness and not arrogance. After all we all are humans and we all make mistakes. Henceforth I would not expect User:TheEagle107 to go beyond citing only WP:RS at talk page un til they practice patience. And I would not expect you to discredit peer Wikipedians at article talk pages. As such on one hand I am contemplating to distance myself since I am not comfortable in all personalization where no one comes out winner and Wikipedia suffers. But on the other hand LPB has displayed all the patience through out. As such DRN admin has already committed to help LPB in their RfCs so hopefully I can keep my role minimum at Jinn and Talk:Jinn hereafter.

As said above let me reiterate, reflecting on our own behavior can lead to personal growth and better outcomes in tough conversations. With this in mind, I hope you can look positively towards the above conversation and cooperate to reach a constructive resolution. I believe in your ability to reflect and make any necessary adjustments, just as we're hoping the other persons will. &#32;Bookku (talk) 14:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Sharing friendly tips

 * 1) Do you need further tips about Template:dif?
 * In previous discussions I had given tip about how to use Template:dif . Let me know if you wish to have further how to about the same.
 * 2) Why to cite specific dif? WP:ANI that too which was report against Eagle107 not LPB
 * For example in your link  is too generic. This Xtool analysis indicates there is no edit to User_talk:Joe_Roe up til by Eagle107.
 * In second example link to my talk page is including preview of huge unrelated archived posts on my talk page. It is some thing like some one giving link to and make readers brows through entire deleted/ archived posts to find couple of relevant edits.
 * Any user will get confused to understand what you wish to indicate? if not understood may ignore. I will suggest a solution below.


 * How to find specific edits/ difs by specific user?
 * Suppose if I want to find specific edit/difs made by me on "User talk:VenusFeuerFalle". On left hand menu bar I find Page information. At the end of link I find Edits by user link add dates and get specific list of edits made by me/ user there after I can open and cite specific edit/ dif link. So that helps me in being more specific and less confusing to readers of my posts.
 * If you have any better shortcuts or tips please do share. I will be discussing some other related issues in following sections after some time.
 * &#32;Bookku   (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Notice of contact of an administrator concerning your edits
here. Have a nice day. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 17:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC) Louis P. Boog (talk) 01:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I suppose it's also a good idea to mention here as well, but I am not an administrator. Gaismagorm (talk) 18:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ya, my mistake. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 01:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This person (Doug Weller) is one. here is the notice. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 01:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Notice at WP:ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Louis P. Boog (talk) 16:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Salutations
Hello there, I am vastly intrigued by your dedication to contributing to such a grand variety of articles. I've learned many a thing through them and I came to have a question on my mind. I'd like to know if there are any other locations where you've made your knowledge accessible as well? Do you have a site of sorts? If it is private I understand, but I'd like a means of taking a look see if you are alright with that. Maybe we can discuss it elsewhere. If yes, let me know. Thank you. Freezersburnt (talk) 04:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey!
You still around? Skyerise (talk) 21:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)