User talk:VerneDurand

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Happy editing! Cheers, JarrahTree 09:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or, and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! JarrahTree 09:22, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

your edit summaries suggest that more links for useful guidelines might be of help
I might have guessed wrong, of course...

There used to be a gigantuous page full of links to interesting things, many links, have seem to have mislaid it for the moment. JarrahTree 09:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

(do I need to ping or are you notified for a reply anyway?)

Thank you! You're not wrong, I've previously read talk pages/edit history investigating attribution and dived in to get something particular fixed/added so I'm not wholly unfamiliar with the site, but I haven't really sat down and made an account/jumped around to try to help (although I did start with Flanagan page after spotting the citation needed while reading).

I'm fairly comfortable poking around the style guides for particular questions, but the five pillars page is useful, and a few of the others seem like a clearer 'root' to find other pages. Is there: VerneDurand (talk) 11:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) a guide/discussion on how to approach submitting edits mechanically (I instinctively split them to make decoding easier but that might not be necessary, and is it better practice to reread more thoroughly or patch typos after, also when should I make a note in the edit summary vs open something on the talk page)
 * 2) similar for systematically breaking down article improvement (Catfishing has clear issues with confusing structure, repeated information and a narrow perspective, which I think I could dig into fixing, but I'm not sure what my immediate next step would be or how to decide what a 'better' structure would be)?


 * As far as I can tell edit summaries are transient spaces and too many people fill them with small novels. It all depends, by each case may be different.
 * A very important thing for new users is to get simpler tasks under the belt to show that you are in good status - as your edits grow - you are able to get a better picture of the overall processes -
 * there are clues on the section on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels#Confirmed. and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Confirmed
 * to jump in feet first can be like at catfishing


 * in the old days I would ask- can you find a similar article - and reverse engineer to look at it or review it?


 * if you do change things, short edit summaries are always better
 * I could rant for ages, time to stop for the moment... JarrahTree 11:33, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I stumbled on Essay directory, which seems to have a fair few interesting links, and Essays in a nutshell/Article writing appears to address the specific questions I had. VerneDurand (talk) 08:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)