User talk:Vernon39/Archive 1

Archive No. 1 for User talk:Vernon39 From 19 October 2006 to 19 August 2007.

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Contributions to Friends Articles
Keep up the good work. I'm pleased to see your contributions to Friends articles. Logophile 10:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Phoenicians and Cornwall
I'll have a look at that, though once one starts with Cornwall articles one could go on forever, as they're not wonderful.

By the way, I don't agree with your removal of my first square bracket. The convention is standard (Brackets [sometimes called square brackets] are used to enclose editorial interpolations, corrections, explanations, translations, or comments in quoted material: Chicago Manual of Style). Halliday doesn't start the quote till "are very fond of strangers…"; presumably the naming of Belerion appears earlier in Diodorus's account, which is why I used the square brackets.

I haven't got the Payton book, and so I don't know if someone has come up with undisputed Phoenician evidence since Halliday wrote his book (I live at Tintagel and haven't heard of such finds round here). I don't rule out that Phoenicians came here, along with the various other Mediterranean seafarers we know about; after all, Iberians are known to have colonised Cornwall and Ireland, and Cornish tomb-building styles can easily be traced back to the Mediterranean. But speculation is no good for a Wikipedia article; assertions have to be those made in reliable sources. As for saffron cakes, sheesh!

Anyway, good call. qp10qp 14:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Ine and Egbert
I've put up a draft paragraph at Talk: Cornwall, if you'd like to have a gander. qp10qp 22:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Fox family of Falmouth
Was fascinated to come across them - had vaguely heard of them before, but hadn't known much about them. DuncanHill 15:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info about Brighton Libraries, will definitely look them up :) DuncanHill 00:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Davies Gilbert
I think he encouraged Humphry Davy, and had something to do with Gideon Mantell (the palaeontologist) also - don't have any ref's to hand tho'. DuncanHill 15:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to answer your questions on the Davies-Gilbert Family.

Gweek
In that it is more easily reached from Helston than Falmouth, then I would say yes. Why? LessHeard vanU 00:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it matters too much whether Gweek is described as southwest, south or southeast, Kerrier - since the majority of readers will only have a vague idea where Cornwall is within the British Isles. Rather than placing it within an area, why not indicated how far (and in what general direction) from the major population areas - Falmouth and Helston - it is? For most people the Seal Sanctuary would be the most important aspect, not its location.LessHeard vanU 00:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC) g'night!

Helpme
someone deleted my userpage and started editing in my sandbox. I have now changed my password.

=== Vernon White (talk)  23:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, you used the helpme tag. How may I help you? When you've asked your question, please put the tag back so we know to check back. Alternatively, you can join the Wikipedia Bootcamp IRC channel to get real-time help. (Use the web-based client to get instant access.)&mdash; D e on555talk desk 23:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Deon

Someone deleted my userpage and started editing in my sandbox. I have now changed my password. Can you find out how they did it and stop them doing it again, please? === Vernon White (talk)  23:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Vernon39. I have reverted the changes and fixed it. No need to be alarmed, this is a wiki. Every page can be edited by anyone :) Just for the tape though, shows you actually removed all the text yourself &mdash; D e on555talk desk  23:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the text was of an article Robert R. Reid whilst I was writing an article on Edwin Octavius Tregelles. === Vernon White (talk)  23:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm.. Not sure about that.. and even the blanking doesn't show up who did it, it just _did_, and you were the only person to edit it either side.. Some things can't be explained  &mdash; D e on555talk desk  23:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No Worries! Let me know if you need anything else, by dropping by, or if I'm not around, use Peace out! &mdash; D e on555talk desk  08:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Josiah Fox
Hi, just discovered Josiah Fox - he seems to have been a Quaker from Cornwall, so thought you might be interested! DuncanHill 14:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC) I have added a further note to the Talk page. To bed now! === Vernon White (talk)  00:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Charles Masson Fox
And another! DuncanHill 20:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I am more interested in the 19th C Foxes, especially those descended from Robert Were Fox the Elder . I don't think any more infor than his parentage is needed for the C.M. Fox article. === Vernon White (talk)  00:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Your message
Thanks very much for that. It is messages such as yours that make this such a nice place. Very best wishes, --Guinnog 21:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Change to Common.css
Per recent discussions, the way in which Persondata is viewed by Wikipedia editors has changed. In order to continue viewing Persondata in Wikipedia articles, please edit your user CSS file to display table.persondata rather than table.metadata. More specific instructions can be found on the Persondata page. -- ShakingSpirit talk  on behalf of Kaldari 02:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Fry Family
Thanks for adding Joan Mary Fry. I should probably work on her sister Margery who ceased to be a Quaker but was heavily involved in prison reform (and whose biography is on my bookshelf).--Erp 05:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Holford/Fuel
I thought that the Fuel link would enable WP users to see the other sorts of business this Battersea firm engaged in. It hasn't much of a Google presence so far! However, I bow to your advice. === Vernon White (talk)  17:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, since removing the reference, I've been batting the whole issue around in my mind. I'm newly tempted to readd it, since they indeed aren't the only Fuel PR firm out there. Perhaps if the reference stated "There are multiple public relations firms name [Fuel]; his firm is located in Battersea." --  Zanimum 17:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No. I think you were right first time. Best Vernon White  (talk)  22:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Quaker Council for European Affairs
I have removed the notability tag, but it would be nice if you could use some reliable, third party, published, non-trivial sources, as is explained here so as to prove that the group is definately notable. J Milburn 21:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, if we are going to get picky- their website says that they did that. Let's take the metaphorical Joe Bloggs. He is recognised by the English government as an English citizen, and, due to the three protests he has attented, is (according to his blog site) 'instrumental' in banning fox hunting, preventing the local school being closed, and banning a logging firm from cutting down the local woods. Also, he was a 'majot player' in getting Labout into power. (Well, he voted for them, and persuaded his wife to do the same...) Now do you see why the policy is needed? You are, of course, welcome to debate said policy, but, until the policy is overruled, it is probably best to stick to it. Now, if the group is half as notable as the website makes out, it would be stupendously easy to find a couple of sources. If they were this instrumental in the various things they claim to be, surely the broadsheets of most of Europe will have featured stories on them at some point? Also, they will be pasted all over the web. Or, is the organisation just a group of Quakers who thought they would turn up at a couple of protests? (Two notes- first of all, I have full respect for the Quaker movement, it was formed locally to me, and I know a few Quakers, all of whom I have found to be wonderful people. Secondly, I have no doubt the group is notable, I am just playing the Devil's advocate and using extreme examples, in an attempt to improve the article, and the encyclopedia as a whole.) Message me if I can be of any help! J Milburn 21:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I appreciate that it is the kind of information that is not readily available, but it would help the article a lot if you could source some of it. Looking at a few Google results, there DOES seem to be a lot of external coverage there, including (as you have mentioned) articles from the various EU websites. It would be good if you could throw a few of them in, just to try and prevent the article being biased, and proove that this isn't just a church action group. I would say that there was enough information on the Internet to make this a pretty good article. On another note, I have visited Swarthmoor Hall. As you no doubt gathered from my userpage, I only live a few miles away, and an interest in local history (as well as a philosophy club I attended, run in a Quaker church, coincidentially) drew me there twice. J Milburn 22:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've told QCEA about a small typo on their site and asked them to look at the WP Qcea article. I hope other members of the Quaker WikiProject will contribute. BTW have you any views on the British replacement of the Trident system article === Vernon White  (talk)  22:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you haven't already, I would reccomend posting at the Quaker Wikiproject, and actively looking for help, rather than just hoping someone will. Looking at the article you asked me about, it looks pretty good. It reads well, and (something I hold very highly) it is well sourced. If you were asking me about the issue, rather than the article, then I am undecided. The major employer in my area is BAE Systems, which makes the subs, and so if the replacement was not made, a lot of jobs in my area would be lost. I think that there CAN (very rarely) be a case for war, but NEVER nuclear war, yet I see the need for a deterrent. I think I am leaning slightly towards it being the wrong thing to do. Why do you ask? J Milburn 23:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean. I will keep my eyes on the local papers, see if there are any opinions on the matter there. J Milburn 10:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Quaker template
Thanks for adding the Quaker template onto Kenneth E. Boulding. In the future feel free to add the assessment tags for tracking on the Quakerism articles by quality page. So far I'm about the only one to do so, and it seems like the priority rankings there might be better served if there were more opinions shared. --Ahc 05:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I will try and get into this. Shall read Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment.=== Vernon White  (talk)  11:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies
Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of [unassessed articles] tagged with. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 23:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Understandable if the system is confusing to you. Thank you for responding! --Ozgod 00:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter
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Unauthorised change of password
Someone has twice changed my WP password. Yesterday I received a chain email threatening bad luck if I didn't forward it to my friends. === Vernon White (talk)  18:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They're not changing your password; they're asking for a new password to be emailed to you (both it and your old password will work), presumably to annoy you. (There's a cap on such requests, so they should be cut down to a tolerable rate.) As for the chain letter, if people are using Wikipedia email inappropriately you may as well just ignore them (you might want to report that sort of thing at AN/I if it gets really bad). Hope that helps! --ais523 18:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Charles Hastings (canadian Public Health physician)
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Links to the Cornwall Record Office Online Catalogue
Hi Vernon. I have added a section to the discussion page for the Cornwall Record Office page relating to linking to entries on the CRO online catalogue which you may find useful. Cornovia 14:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

SJBB

 * Do you think it is right to include the names of her child and grandchild? They might prefer anonimity.
 * Should the divorce be mentioned? SJBB refers to in in her interview with the Belfast Telegraph ?(ref 5)
 * Would an abstract of Broken for life be a valid paragraph?

===Vernon White (talk)  20:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I ahve emailed Friends House: "Please could you tell me the period during which Jocelyn Bell Burnell served as Clerk to London YM?" Vernon White (talk)  20:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's OK to mention the names, as Gavin has his own web site, on which they are mentioned (actually, he has several web sites!) Also it's standard practice on bio articles to mention children (but only briefly).
 * I think so, but I didn't mention it because I didn't know the date, or even the year (which would have been enough)
 * I don't know without looking at the book. I know I have a copy of it somewhere, but couldn't find it (spent several frustrating hours on Friday trying to find it, without success).


 * Worth mentioning that the family used to live here (tho' they went to a different meeting, so I didn't get to know them very well), and Martin was one of my "visitors" when I applied for membership.


 * Thanks for responding to my posting the "cleanup" tag, having more than one pair of hands makes the job a lot easier! I think we're getting close to the point where the tag can be removed.
 * --NSH001 21:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Fox & Williams
I see from the excellent Fox Family article that the some Foxes married Williamses - are these the Williams of Caerhays do you know? DuncanHill 22:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe so.Vernon White - T A L K . . . to me. 22:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my misreading on the marriage bit! I don't need anything particular at the moment, but I thinjk the Williams family might be worthy of an article at some point - mining interests, Caerhays (though they didn't build it themselves), a ludicrously large number of azaleas and rhododendrons bear their name, and they have a history of "service" eg County Council, Justices etc. DuncanHill 23:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Blimey that was fast! DuncanHill 23:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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Bernard Deacon
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Hi
Hi Vernon, I just had a blank email from you, addressed to my Scouting email address (not the one attached to my WP account). DuncanHill 21:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And now one with just your address and phone number. DuncanHill 21:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Saw the Charles Thomas article, good start. On my talk page at the left (in the toolbox) is an "email this user" option, this is linked to my email account. DuncanHill 23:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Gweek
Well, yeah, I felt I had to add the tag. One of the major mistakes new users make in referencing content is that they do it improperly by adding external links to a homepage, without establishing how that is linked to the subject of the article, or whether it is a reliable source or not.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 09:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No I didn't listen to it, and yeah you can go ahead and remove the tag if you like - remember WP:BOLD, you didn't have to ask me. It's far from perfect but if it's that big a deal, just remove it. See WP:IAR.-h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 10:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Cornish & Klingon
I have closed the Cornish and Klingon thread on my talk page with a very bad-tempered bout of "getting it off my chest". I just wanted to say that nothing in my spiel is directed at you - you have behaved well throughout, for which I am very grateful. Best wishes, DuncanHill 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

You deserve one of these
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