User talk:VerruckteDan/Archive3

New York Template
Hi there. I notice you are removing the state template from many counties and localities. Could you please point me to the consensus or WP guideline that says these should be removed? I feel that they add something to the articles, by giving a state-wide context to the pages. Thanks. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 12:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry if I stepped on your toes with these edits, but let me explain my thought process and reasoning. I removed the New York template for these reasons:
 * Per WP:NAV Paragraph 1 (after the bullets), the general advice is to avoid navigation boxes that are too big. While the New York template itself is not too big, when used in combination with the navigation box for a particular county, they take up a sizable amount of space.  This is more important on articles that are quite short, where 2 navigation boxes would overwhelm the page and distract from the content.
 * My experience with navigation boxes is that they exist on pages in which they have a corresponding link. I feel the state-wide context that you are looking for is still maintained without the New York template by both the county template and the categories of the article.  The county template includes links to the county's article, the New York article, and the article explaining the municipal units of NYS.  Coupled with categories which link to the listing of all Category:Towns in New York for example, a user is only ever one click away from a state-wide context.  I feel that keeping navigation templates only on pages that they link to, makes the article neater, more consice, and easier to use.
 * I was aiming for consistency across New York municipalities. The majority of articles I've looked at on NYS cities, towns, village, etc. did not include the New York template.
 * So, that's my approach to the situation. If you still disagree, let me know.  VerruckteDan 14:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I definitely know what you mean by the articles getting overwhelmed with templates. You're not stepping on my toes or anything, it just seemed like you had made a lot of changes and I couldn't see a discussion about it, so I had wondered if I had missed it.  Could we reach some sort of middle ground, do you think?  While I agree that localities (towns, cities, villages, etc.) are maybe too far down the hierarchy to warrant it, I think I would like to see it on the county articles. Is that an appropriate level, in your opinion?  Thanks -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 14:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh definately, I totally agree that it should be on the county articles. If I removed it from a county, thats my mistake, as it was my intention to have the New York template on all NYS county articles.  VerruckteDan 14:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

George Shepley (and order in infoboxes)
First, thank you for working on Louisiana Governors--it is nice to have company :)

Second, I appreciate your correcting the order of the offices of George F. Shepley because I was not sure;but can you point to the discussion where this consensus was reached. All I can find is questions on talk pages, but no conclusions. Thanks, again! Argos&#39;Dad 03:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've tried to find a written consensus as well, and have been unsuccessful. However, every article I've checked for both living and dead politicians, the infobox always has the offices listed in reverse chronological order.  I view that as a defacto consensus.    The logic behind such listing, at least in my mind would be that most politicians advance to more prominent positions during their careers, are known for those positions, and hence the reverse order places their most prominent role at the top of the box.  Anyway, that's my take, I'd be open to a discussion on the infobox's talk page if you want.  I won't be around much for the next couple days, so if you're interested in getting a firm consensus on the matter, what would you say to waiting until next Monday to start?  VerruckteDan 04:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * PS. Let me thank you as well for your work on the Governors.


 * The logic you suggest makes sense and defacto consensus is fine with me, but we should formalize it somewhere (like the talk page on the infobox) so others will know why we are doing it this way. I am happy to wait till you are back, too. Thanks! Argos&#39;Dad 15:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Shifting away from the infoboxes, I noticed you placed some more numbers in the order of governors. I had left them blank to resolve what the official numbers are.  The problem is the Civil War era governors.  Thomas Moore and Hnery Allen were the governors of COnfederate Louisiana and George Shepley and Michael Hahn were Union governors during the same time period.  So I don't think its accurate to list these 4 as the 17th-20th governors and then start listing Reconstruciton-era governors as 21.  Do you know of any resourse that has a listing of the governors with their official order?  I've done some searching online, but nothing too exhaustive yet.  So far, things I've found are contradictory, for example Huey P Long being the 35th Governor and Oscar Allen as the 42nd (even thought there's only one governor between them).  Anyway, a topic that needs to be research more.  VerruckteDan 15:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I also struggled with this for a while, but the National Governor's Assocation | website] numbers them this way, so I went ahead and followed their logic.


 * It is confusing when you had two Governors serving at once, but I also see how each of them was a "Governor of Louisiana" and if you place them in ordinal series according tothe date they were inaugurated, it kind of works. If you have an alternative order, I would be happy to defer, as long as each of them is numbered.  I tried to play with "1st Confederate Governor" or other constructions, but at the end of the day, Governor Kellogg has to be numbered and so a hiatus or a double numbering system probably doesn't work here.Argos&#39;Dad 17:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured!
CONGRATULATIONS! Did you see the list is now featured? They don't leave a talk page message, just put the star on the list and the FL notice on the talk page. Anyway, Thanks for all your hard work on the list and articles. I will leave thank yous for Peer Review and FLC feedback folks (unless you want to - I have an idea for the template similar to what I did for LC and WDHC thanks). Congrats again! Ruhrfisch 17:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Locator map
Hope you don't mind this notice, I saw your posts relating Illinois State Parks … There exists the Geobox Protected Area template, which you might want to use for them as well. It uses the same logic as Geobox Settlement, the same field names and has the same layout, it can also make use of the same calibrated map. Actually, this is the basic idea behind the Geoboxes, to provide a uniform infoboxes for all geography related articles. – Caroig (talk) 20:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I had seen the Geobox Protected Area and was going to discuss it with Dincher and Ruhrfisch, the 2 guys that I worked with on Pennsylvania state parks. VerruckteDan 20:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I just wanted you to know it exists. I'm going to (well, hoping to get to it) cover the protected areas in the piece of Europe I live in so I'm following more such projects to tell me how to do that, I like reading about the protected areas in Pennsylvania. Ruhrfisch helped with a lot of resourceful ideas when I was creating the first Geobox, Geobox River. – Caroig (talk) 20:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Township set up
I have another question for you. I see that you were involved with the townships also for Penn. I was wondering, do you have a bot or know who does that can set up the rest of the townships for Illinois? I have been manually doing it, and I must say it is rough. Here is our list WikiProject Illinois/Townships of stuff we still have to do, and what we have done already. Basically we have EIU and SIU still to do on this map. Thoughts? Suggestions?--Kranar drogin 03:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know anyone that definitely has a bot, I should really look into the process of setting one up myself. But, all the PA township articles appear to have been create by Ram-Man who seems to still be active.  The original PA edits included the geographic and demographic information.  Another bot laster added in the categories.  So you might try contacting him/her for additional guidance.  I'd be interested in hearing the results of these discussions.  VerruckteDan 03:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I tried once before, he ignored me. I will try again.--Kranar drogin 03:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess if the bot is not being regularly monitored by someone, you could start looking around Bot policy and see how to create a bot yourself, or submit a request for such a bot. VerruckteDan 03:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Making Maps
Hi Dan, I made a Louisiana map for you - I have also made a Image:North Carolina Locator Map.PNG for User:Dincher in addition to the Pennsylvania and Illinois locator maps you know about (though I might redo the Pennsylvania map so it is cleaner). I plan to do an Ohio locator map next.

Here's how I make the maps - basically they are all from the Census factfinder web site here. I always use the 2000 census data and if I enter "Ohio", I get |b=50|l=en|t=420|zf=0.0|ms=ref_stat_00dec|dw=1.9557697048764706E7|dh=1.4455689123E7|dt=gov.census.aff.domain.map.LSRMapExtent|if=gif|cx=-1159354.4733499996|cy=7122022.5|zl=10|pz=10|bo=313:314:316:317:318:319:323|bl=354:355:356:357:358:393:362|ft=350:349:335:389:388:332:331|fl=381:403:204:380:369:379:368|g=01000US&-redoLog=false&-_lang=en&-_caller=geoselect&-geo_id=04000US39 this. Next I go to the upper left corner under "Change", click there on "Boundaries and Features" and turn off all labels and all features except the state and county borders (boundaries). Then I get |b=50|l=en|t=420|zf=0.0|ms=ref_stat_00dec|dw=10.50392852716582|dh=6.058983803831548|dt=gov.census.aff.domain.map.EnglishMapExtent|if=gif|cx=-82.66958249999999|cy=40.190285|zl=8|pz=8|bo=313:314|bl=|ft=|fl=|g=04000US39&-redoLog=false&-geo_id=04000US39&-_lang=en this. I copy the map (right click, or control and Print Screen) then paste that into MS Paint or Paint Dot Net and change the colors so they are consistent with the WikiProject Maps guidleines - I started with the Image:US Locator Blank.svg for its colors. I put a one pixel wide black line around the maps and save them in PNG format in Wikimedia Commons (I have an account there too).

What I like about the maps is that they are US Government work and so public domain (and I release my modifications under the GFDL). You can zoom in a lot, add streets and water and township and city borders in. Some other examples I have made starting with these are here: Image:Larrys Creek Watershed Map.PNG (started from county and township borders and creeks in the census map), Image:Fort Wayne Indiana Metro Map.PNG (several counties, left the urban areas pink), and my most ambitious county map Image:Lancaster County, PA.PNG. Hope this helps, ask if you have questions. Ruhrfisch 19:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation, I will give it a try this week. One quick thing on the Louisiana map (and maybe I'll give this a try myself), can you modify it so that Lakes Pontchartrain and Maurepas are shown (both are near New Orleans).  A lot of Parish boundaries meet in both lakes, and its been brought up that maps not showing the lakes are misleading to the sizes of parishes that contain portions of theses lakes.  VerruckteDan 19:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I will try - turning off the water bodies (rivers) also turns off the lakes, but I will see what I can do about putting them in. I know where Pinchartrain is, but will have to check on Maurepas. Ruhrfisch 02:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Lake Maurepas is directly to the west of Lake Pontchartrain, who can see it on the picture on Pontchartrain's article. Also, if you look at Image:St_Charles_Parish_Louisiana.png, you can see an example of a map showing both lakes.  VerruckteDan 02:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I fixed it and added the crescent of islands in Gulf to the east (cut off before - sorry). For some strange reason Maurepas shows up on the Census maps with water bodies turned on, but Ponchartrain only shows at 20 mile across resolution. Thanks for calrifying, I knew about Lake Borgne (from Chalmette / Battle of New Orleans) but not the name of Lake Maurepas. I also made Indiana and Ohio locator maps. Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dan, I added the 1 pixel black border to the Pennsylvania and Delaware locator maps. I uploaded new versions of each and fixed the color of the blue ocean water on the DE map to be consistent with the other state locator maps I have made (PA, OH, IN, IL, LA, NC). Thanks for catching my omission, and nice job on the Delaware map. Ruhrfisch 01:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the fix. There is actually one other thing I didn't do on the DE map, the color of the borders (both state and county) do not match the other maps you created.  I started playing around with New Jersey and came up with another question.  How did you get the higher resolution PA map?  I've been playing around with New Jersey, and the zoom options available on the Census site are either too far out or too far in.  Is there some way that you get around this?  Again, thanks for your help with this.  VerruckteDan 02:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome. Do you want me to fix /adjust the DE border colors? As for the larger PA map, it is four "too far in" maps stitched together (which is a real pain to do). I think there may be five maps in it now that I think of it, four corners and center of the state. The problem is the overlap is not always perfect so you have to play around a lot. The further in you get, the less this is a problem (so big county maps are also stitched together). Ruhrfisch 03:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If fixing the border colors is too much trouble, I'd appreciate your assistance. I don't know what the threshold is on Commons before the system lets me re-upload files.  And thanks for the explanation on the image mosaics.  VerruckteDan 22:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed the border colors so they are consistent and reuploaded the map to Commons. I have never had any restrictions there on loading or uploading, but I have also been a user there for a while already (so new account restrictions would no longer apply to me). Thanks again for making the map. Ruhrfisch 14:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

re: US county navbox
No problem. Similar things happen to me sometimes myself.

Also, I might have make some modifications to the template so the map images are optional. In trying to test some for the California counties, the CA maps do not appear too well on a thumbnail scale, especially the smaller counties in terms of area. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know what you mean about the maps, especially with large states and states that have large north-south lengths (and of course California has both). I probably should have named the parameter image as opposed to map.  Since the template is still used on a minimal number of navboxes, I was considering updating this to allow flexibility.  Ideally, if maps are not used, I'd like to see county flags inorder to have consistancy with the state templates.  Just my thoughts, I'm not even sure if all counties have flags or how long it may be to get images of them on Wikipedia.  VerruckteDan 17:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll second that. The map's not too useful in California, and the template looks just fine (better) when there's no image at all. --Brianvdb 21:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Elongated Circle Shields
Thanks for letting me know. It's part of a project at WP:USRD to combine all the states that use "circular highway shields" into a single (well, two) image set. I was a step ahead of you though, the plan was always to make the conversion, and then see what shields were missing shortly afterwards. The images you pointed me towards are working now. -- NORTH talk 17:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Geobox River
Thanks Dan, User:Caroig seems to have fixed the refs in Larrys Creek - could the user you are thinking of be User:Malepheasant? Ruhrfisch 22:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I found the name, its Daniel Case. Look at Monongahela River for an example with lots of references.  VerruckteDan 22:34, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That helped - thanks (and I know Daniel Case from White Deer Hole Creek). Larrys Creek is all converted over to Geobox River - not sure I like the refs in the Geobox though, and may take them out again (they are in the article if needed). Once I decide I will convert WDHC too. Take care and thanks again, Ruhrfisch 04:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Map Dots
The Map Dots are broke again, all the maps that are on the cities aren't showing them at all. Not sure how to fix that.--Kranar drogin 22:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Caroig reverted my change to use a different image for the locator dot. I left him a message explaining the problem and my reason for the change.  I also changed back to the functioning dot, so things should be working again.  VerruckteDan 22:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Ambler, PA
I should have labeled the Ambler Main Street link better. The only reason I left it in was as a reference for the "legacy of asbestos" section. The history in the link is reasonably well written and is the only resource I could find. This is onle of those occasions where I am going to turn the tables on myself and advocate for an external link that others might disagree with. I'l leave the call to you depending on how strongly you feel. Montco 00:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I should have also described my edit better; it's also a broken link. So, while I see the benefits you describe, unless there's a current live link, it's basically useless.  VerruckteDan 00:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha. Well I did find a working link to that site.  I went ahead and replaced it and removed the direct link to ambler main street website which would be a bit more in the linkspam category.  I hope that can meet everyone's agreement.Montco 17:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:EWCrossings navbox
Hi, I tried to change the East/West "Crossings of THE" labels and couldn't without creating the new template. That's why I created it. If you could provide an example of the current template altered to reflect east/west I'd happily withdraw my comments on the delete page and accept it. Thx. --Keefer | Talk 21:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see example at Template talk:EWCrossings navbox. Thx. --Keefer | Talk 22:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm examining your Bay area bridges example to see what they did to make that work, I'll get back. Thx, --Keefer | Talk 22:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I see the change that needed to be done now and will support the deletion. Thanks.--Keefer | Talk 22:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you help scrape the pie off my face? ;)--Keefer | Talk 22:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No big deal, I've done the same thing, creating a new template and then discovering there's one out there. Hope I didn't come off too overbearing.  VerruckteDan 01:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

US state navigation box
I was glad to see that you restored the "show/hide" and "v-d-e" links to US state navigation box. Hopefully this time it won't get reverted. I made some minor changes: If you notice that either of these changes cause a problem, please let me know. -- Zyxw 18:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Removed instances of   that were not inside a link, since the color of that text is already set by the table style.
 * 2) Set text color of body cells to black (only affects text that is not inside a link). This fixes a problem on templates like Maine where the separators between the links were not visible because the text color was white.


 * Thanks for the cleanup, I'll let you know if I see any problems. And thanks for your efforts in converting so many counties to the US county navigation box.  VerruckteDan 21:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Denver
Hey, no problem. I should have given you longer to get it all corrected. I just happened to check in at the same time you were making the edits, so I didn't really give you a chance to correct it on your own. Most of the edits were good, I just had taken the time to size the flag + seal so they are same height in infobox, etc. so there were a few things I wanted to add back in once you were done. --MattWright (talk) 01:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I see your reason for the map/seal sizes, I had always just let them go to the Geobox default. The beauty of Geobox; customization while still maintaining consistency.  VerruckteDan 01:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Where did you get the metro area figure so I can reference it? Thanks. --MattWright (talk) 04:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The metro population was a number previously listed, and based on the demographics section, this figure is for the Denver-Aurora Metropolitan Area. So, I just added up the areas of the 10 counties of the Denver-Aurora area.  VerruckteDan 04:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Denver Copyedit
Haha no worries. I have done it myself, only worse, numerous times. Keep up the (otherwise) good work! :) Jmlk17 22:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Main Line navbox
User:Ruhrfisch suggested that I contact you regarding my idea of creating a navbox for the Pennsylvania Main Line. I noticed your splendid work on the Pennsylvania county navboxes. I figure that categories might include: municipalities/Philadelphia neighborhoods/communities and CDPs, colleges/universities, private schools and public secondary schools (e.g., Haverford School, Radnor High School, etc.), culture (e.g., Chanticleer Garden, Merion Cricket Club), and perhaps other geographic topics (R5 (SEPTA), U.S. Route 30 in Pennsylvania, etc.). I recognize that one obstacle is that there's no generally accepted definition of what geographic areas are or aren't in the Main Line, but I figured that the development of a navbox might help to lend some navigation coherence to the currently scattered Main Line topics in Wikipedia. What do you think? Spikebrennan 01:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * A Main Line Navbox sounds like a good idea. I agree that defining the geographic boundaries of the Main Line could present some difficulties.  I'm sure there will be lots of debate about areas that should or should not be included.  I checked out the Main Line article and see that there has been debate there over inclusion, and that you've been involved.  I think a good starting point for defining a geographic area would be the towns listed on the Main Line article.  Another option to consider would be the Main Line Chamber of Commerce's definition of the Main Line (Bala Cynwyd west to Frazer, with US 202 as the northern boundary and Route 3 as the southern boundary), though that might be a bit broad.  I'm far from a Main Line expert, so I'll limit my contributions in any debate on the boundaries (I grew up near Downingtown, decidedly outside the Main Line).


 * Another issue I think you should tackle early is to establish guidelines on the topics that will be included in the navbox. Otherwise  it will likely grow to a size that makes it a less effective navigation tool.  The county navboxes are limited to municipalities and communities in order to keep the template tight and focused.  Topics like including secondary schools concern me as that topic could become very large.  I'm not sure, but I'd imagine there's a large number of high schools in the Main Line area.  Including all of them may be excessive.


 * Anyway, with that said, I'd be more than happy to give feedback to you as you develop the template. Good luck with it, and I'll be in touch.VerruckteDan 01:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Your observations are very helpful. I've decided that cleaning up the Pennsylvania Main Line article itself ought to have a higher priority than a navbox.


 * On the other hand, I've taken a crack at creating Template:Sports in North American Cities and would be grateful if you could take a look. Spikebrennan 21:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

South Blooming Grove
It is a village now. I told User:RMc to first create the article, then put it in the template. Daniel Case 15:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

And look how he responded to me. Oh dear. Daniel Case 05:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link about the establishment of the village. I had based my revert edit on the Blooming Grove, New York article.  Its ashame, that RMc is being combative.


 * P.S. Nice work on the various river articles. I noticed you added the Geobox a while back and did a great job gathering up the discharge/tributary/source/etc information.  VerruckteDan 21:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

More locator maps
Hi Dan (oder soll ich "Hallo VerruckteDan" schreiben?), have you tried purging the maps on Commons? Since they are there and just transcluded here, I think you have to purge them there first (as well as here again after). I had noticed the Pennsylvania locator map was not showing the updated color version, but not noticed the others. I also just noticed I need to fix the black border on Wisconsin. If this doesn't work, I will check an archive where I fixed a similar problem once before. I am working on KY and TN maps. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch 01:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Did purging on Commons work? If it did not, since the locator templates are "tied" to the map, is it possible they are tied to a particular verion of the map (so they link there despite updates)? I am not sure how the lat & long -> locator dot trick works, but saw you have to put in the map dimensions to do this (although the map sizes are mostly unchanged). I uploaded the KY map (listed on my user page and at WikiProject:Kentucky) and should finish TN today. Ruhrfisch 13:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Purging the Commons didn't work, so right now I'm at a loss. I'm gonna play around a little more in the next day or two, see if I can come up with a solution.  I'm not totally sure how the whole thing works either, lots of embedded templates (probably part of the reason I can't figure out how to purge things).  I just know how to set up a map so that it works, with a little bit of trial and error.  VerruckteDan 22:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like the problem is with the thumbnail image of the map. I followed the instructions at Purge for purging the thumbnail, but it didn't work.  VerruckteDan 22:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried fixing the PA map (purge, clear my browser on Commons and here) but no success. We could ask at the Wikipedia village pump technical or there is also a Village Pump on Commons. I would ask here since the map is here. Do you want me to ask or do you? Ruhrfisch 03:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not real versed in the Village Pump, so if you don't mind, can you pose the question to them. VerruckteDan 23:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I will ask it - sorry I missed this reply until now. Ruhrfisch 04:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I watch your page but missed this somehow - I feel bad it has been so long and apologize again. VP is a bit daunting so I want to be sure - which maps and templates exactly should I ask about? Thanks, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, it happens. The problem's are as follows:
 * Pennsylvania map: the most recent version (April 25) is not the one that appears on the image page on Commons. But as I'm trying to summarize this for you, something has changed, and it now seems to be displaying a map with the darker state borders.  But the county borders don't look right, and I don't think I'm going crazy.
 * Additionally, the Delaware, Illinois and Louisiana map do not display the most current versions in Wikipedia.

And like we've discussed in the above discussions, I've tried to purge everything I can think of. The images, the thumbnails, the Geobox location templates, and the individual pages on both Commons and Wikipedia.

Thanks for your help, let me know if I need to clarify anything. VerruckteDan 03:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I listed it here: Village_pump_%28technical%29. Feel free to correct or tweak. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Port Vincent, Louisiana
I had added some history of Port Vincent, Louisiana and see that you have removed the information. Would you please explain? Susan Mack


 * I removed your edits to Port Vincent, Louisiana because it was in violation of copyrights. The text you added appears to be cut and paste from http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/livingst/history/town/pvincent.txt, this violates the copyright policy of Wikipedia.  Secondly, had the text not been copyrighted, it was still improperly placed.  Large bodies of text should not be placed into the Geobox.  Hope that clears up your questions.  VerruckteDan 13:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I see that I had misplaced the information and will be more careful in future posts. As for the copyright comment, the information contained is part of the history of the area. The information I included was a restatement of facts that also happen to be on this website. The website is a quick reference but this information can be found in other publications such as the Livingston Parish History, Part I (see Port Vincent page 85, C33) (and was written by the Edward Livingston Historical Society who also posted the information on the website) and various newspaper articles (I don't have the exact cites as I read the cut out articles at the French Settlement Creole Museum.) Also, check the bottom of the webpage and you'll see the various sources for the article. So the information is not "original" nor unique which is what is typically required under copyright. Information on how mercantile goods were transported to and from New Orleans to and from central LA can also be found in "The Pirates Laffite" by William C. Davis, published 2005. The specific route was through the Rigolets to Lake Ponchatrain through Pass Manchac to Lake Maurepas to the Amite River and continuing west, up river as far as a small shallow draft schooner (the preferred ship of Lafitte and cohorts) could go which was Port Vincent. (vice versa on the return trip) And Pierre Lafitte was one of many who used this route to get slaves from New Orleans to sell to the planters of Central LA and S. MS. Which is why Vincent Scivique's story about his former association with Jean Lafitte has an air of truth to it. ANYWAY...so would it be more acceptable to post something to the effect "History of Port Vincent. see website xxx"? Can we say that Port Vincent was named after Vincent Scivique, a native of Italy (note the website does not reference the city nor his exact birth and death dates as I had)and prominent local merchant? That Port Vincent was formerly the Parish seat (1872-1881) and it was here that the courthouse burned down on Oct. 15, 1875? This information is what it is. I appreciate your insight as I am obviously new to this forum. I hope to add further information so I look forward to continued feedback as to form and content. SM


 * Susan, certainly you can include information from the various publications you mentioned above, just not whole sale word for word. Since you appear to have access to multiple sources of information on Port Vincent, I think the best course of action would be to write a section (or more) on the Port Vincent article combining details from all your sources.  Make sure you use the proper citation templates, such as Template:Cite web or Template:Cite book (all templates can be found at Category:Citation templates).  The more facts you can cite the better.  Wikipedia articles are often undercited, and one of the goals of any WikiProject such as WP:LOUISIANA is to improve the quality of articles with citations playing a key role.  You can also include an "External links" section with links to websites for further information.


 * Hopefully these suggestions are helpful. Good luck with the article.  If you have other questions, or wanna get a second opinion on something, I'd be glad to help.  VerruckteDan 22:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Bryn Mawr
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bryn_Mawr%2C_Pennsylvania&diff=131459791&oldid=131440438

No, dude. See, you are going to have to, HAVE TO include this information. Unless you make an article about the separate mailing address, you will have to include this information. You may not like it, but I know that a lot of people consider Radnor/etc to be Bryn Mawr (I have relatives in the Philly area), So the US CDP definition will have to share space unless you find some other way of making a new article - And besides, didn't I do a wonderful, wonderful job of explaining it in the paragraphs? WhisperToMe 18:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I decided to deal with this by moving the information about the "Bryn Mawr" postal areas (i.e. what is not in the CDP) into a separate "Bryn Mawr mailing address" postal infobox. WhisperToMe 19:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Misc
Hi Dan, I see no one has commented on the village pump yet. Not sure what else to do but wait and see - I could ask at Commons' pump if we got no response here.


 * I can wait a few more days to see if any answers come up.

I also wondered if, now that the Protected Areas of Pennsylvania is a navbox, would the map State parks of Pennsylvania map fit in it as once discussed?


 * The navbox does have a parameter to add a picture on the right side. But given that the state parks are only 1 of the 5 types of protected areas listed, I'm now thinking that the map should not be added.  Additionally, the addition of the map about take up a lot of valuable space on the right and would greatly increase the navbox's vertical footprint.

Finally, I was trying to make the navbox for the Susquehanna River, but need a template to follow. I have an incomplete table just for the West Branch here which you've seen, but when I tried to adapt the county nav box I just broke it. Any general navbox to use you know of? I would like to do the whole river with sections on the lower river, major tribs (Juniata River, West Branch, Chemung River, etc.). Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You should be able to get the look you want with Template:Navbox generic. Below is an example for the West Branch.  VerruckteDan 04:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dan! I will wait on the village pump and am fine not including the map in the template. I appreciate the template very much and will use it. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dan, as you know I would like to add a navbox to every stream in the Susquehanna River system and now have three different versions of possible navboxes to add, which I would appreciate any and all feedback on. The navboxes and some questions about them are here: User:Ruhrfisch/Frog. Since it is in User space you can add comments right in the page (it is one of my sandboxes, so I don't use the Talk page for it generally). Thanks in advance for any feedback, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The Susquehanna Navframe is done, I think. Any feedback before I paste it in everywhere would be appreciated - thanks for all your help so far. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your feedback. I will be adding the template to all the Susquehanna tribs over the next day or so. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Any interst in Cumberland Valley Railroad?
It could probably use some help. Thanks. Smallbones 15:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Burholme
I noticed that you have been dealing with the user edits on this article as well, the user has also likes to edit the article for Burholme Park, The edits are similar to edits that were don a while ago on Fox Chase and on Fox Chase Cancer Center. I believe that the user could be associated with the Save Burholme Park group, and is using the articles as a sounding board for the views. Just figure i give you a heads up, incase you hadn't seen the connections. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up, I hadn't checked into anything beyond the User Contributions of the IP address used for these most recent edits. VerruckteDan 22:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for improving Template:Visitor attractions in New York City
much appreciated dm 02:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)