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Vincent Malo
Could you provide the source for the comment under the picture of the Madonna and Child stating that the vivid colours clearly refer to Rubens? Although Malo apparently studied under Rubens, his colours are more subdued like those of van Dyck whom he may have known in Genoa and who had a strong influence on Flemish painters working in Genoa. Even the hands of the Madonna are more in the style of van Dyck than that of Rubens. The image is of low quality and the red in the image is not vivid but garish. I have doubts about whether this is in fact a painting of Malo (could be workshop) because the face of the Madonna has hard lines rather than the soft lines in the paintings at the Rijksmuseum (but again this may be due to the poor quality of the image}. However, there are similarities to paintings made by Flemish painters in Genoa such as Malo and Jan Roos who often combined still life and figure painting. Not sure whether the defects of the painting resulted from restoration after it was damaged.  Do you know of any source at the museum giving details about this painting?   Regards. Caravaggista (talk) 09:15, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Do we really can make such suppositions (about workshop)? the painter referred in his style to diffenrent colleagues - Rubens, Teniers and van Dyck as evidenced in paintings from Rijksmuseum. Besides I think that Malo's paintings from Rijksmuseum require conservation. Vert33 (talk) 23:54, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

We know indeed very little about this artist but the red on that painting is not Rubens red but just very ugly red (maybe due to the poor quality of the image or poor restoration) so I will remove the comment about that if we do not have a source for this statement. We also seem to lack any other information on the painting from the museum that holds it.Caravaggista (talk) 02:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Your mission
I can see that you are on a mission to change all paintings on wiki with paintings from Polish museums. Wiki is not intended for the promotion of your country's museums and the paintings in Polish museums may not always be the best examples for a particular artist. Could you reconsider doing this because such narrow nationalist agenda is a little against the wiki spirit.ArteGod (talk) 13:36, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Which for example? If you consider some of my edits as inappropriate, please discuss them, rather than go for nationalist agenda yourself. I am located in Poland and I have good accessibility to works located in this country, so why I cannot put good examples of my work (located in those museums) here (always in good quality, good description, the best examples for a particular artist and released to public domain)? Your comment is highly inappropriate and nationalistic! - Vert33 (talk) 13:47, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

In Pieter Bruegel the Younger you replace a painting with an original theme (the Village Lawyer) developed by Bruegel the Younger with a painting which is a copy of a painting by his father. No good reason for that other than to put a painting from a Polish museum in there, as far as I can tell.ArteGod (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, as it was his speciality mentioned in the article (pouncing technique), highly individual despite being a copy. I will not conduct such extremely primitive discussion. As I have mentioned before, if my editions raise your concerns please discuss them either in article's discussion section or administrators' site. Otherwise I will raise your inappropriate behaviour. Vert33 (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

It is still only a copy whereas the other is an original invention of Pieter the Younger. It seems that if you replace a picture it is great but if others do it is vandalism.ArteGod (talk) 15:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree, . Lower quality pictures appear in articles with this theme, and promoting a certain country's painting is NOT a good idea, but WP:Tendentious editing. Hafspajen (talk) 23:25, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I certainly do NOT do this. It's my right, like anybody here, to use image which fit my editions. If sombody disagrees with this we can discuss on the site which is dedicated to it. I will not not accept any further xenophobic, racist and discriminating theories in my talk page!! I can see that you are very eager to discuss but I think that discussion on above mentioned topic was solved. Vert33 (talk) 07:13, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Could you name examples confirming your above statements?! Please note that: Making accusations of tendentious editing can be inflammatory (...) It can be seen as a personal attack if tendentious editing is alleged without clear evidence. First someone making only Dutch associated editions in wiki accuses me on nationalism and now this. Following example from is certainly not a good idea. Vert33 (talk) 07:44, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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