User talk:Vertisis

February 2013
Hello, I'm 99.12.243.171. I noticed that you recently removed some content without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry: I restored the removed content. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! 99.12.243.171 (talk) 16:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I'm 99.12.243.171. I noticed that you made a change to an article, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. 99.12.243.171 (talk) 16:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

June 2014
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Edge Games, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. McGeddon (talk) 14:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), such as at Talk:Edge Games, please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either: This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when.
 * 1) Add four tildes  ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment; or
 * 2) With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button (Insert-signature.png or Signature icon.png) located above the edit window.

Thank you. czar ♔  18:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Potential conflict of interest
Hello. It'd help the conversation at Talk:Edge Games if you could explicitly clarify whether or not you have a conflict of interest with regards to the company, just so we know where we all stand. Having a connection to the company is fine, it just means you should follow WP:COIADVICE and largely avoid editing the article directly, although you'd still be welcome to remove material that "unambiguously violates the biography of living persons policy". --McGeddon (talk) 09:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Would appreciate you answering this before making any more direct edits to the article. --McGeddon (talk) 17:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Please sign your posts.
Please sign any post you make on a talk page, it makes life for everyone else so much easier. If you need help, please read WP:SIGHOW which explains how to do it. Thanks. - X201 (talk) 17:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * X201, Czar agreed to the proposed changes, and I believe you only asked for clarification of the three cites (being the same 3 already in the article) -- can I now make the changes or did you have a further comment to make? Vertisis (talk) 01:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

May 2023
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing certain pages (Edge Games) for Edge Games. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text at the bottom of your talk page:. -- ferret (talk) 19:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Final warning
Hello, I'm Serge, an Admin here on Wikipedia. Your every edit appears to be in regards to POV push views related to Edge. It doesn't really appear you're absorbing any of the advice or warnings given to you on our policies and guidelines related to sourcing, neutral writing, etc. It just looks like you're pushing a singular agenda without much subtlety.

Wikipedia is not the place to "Right Great Wrongs". It's not the place to settle grudges or whitewash history. And yet your every edit feels much more like that than someone interested in writing an encyclopedia.

So, I guess this is my way of saying "let's get this wrapped up". You're exhausting the community with all this, and you're not here for the right reasons. If you need to make a closing comment, great, but otherwise, it's time to move on to something else, as this is getting disruptive. Sergecross73  msg me  19:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * May I ask what you are referring to? I am an independent person not connected to EDGE Games who can see that the EDGE Games page is full of false statements and inaccurate statements. I have been presenting clear, well sourced, arguments as to why the page needs edits. In response, editors like ferret are refusing any edit even if it is supported -- as my proposed edits are -- by solid, reliable secondary sources. So why would I be blocked? Why am I being warned? I have no interest in a POV push. although those who edited the EDGE Games page some years ago clearly had a POV push to color EDGE and its CEO Langdell in a bad light, adding false statements to the page to make EDGE look bad. Trying to correct errors is an entirely legitimate exercise especially when, as with my suggestions, the proposed edits are backed by good cites. Indeed, as an admin, can you please help get this page back to its more neutral state it was in before it was hacked by POV persons in 2010? Vertisis (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In my defence, having initially refused to accept my proposed edit regarding when EDGE Games was founded, after many paragraphs of back and forth in talk ferret and the other editors finally took my point and made the change I was recommending.
 * So to reduce my suggested edits to being a POV push is unfair. I am just trying to get this page back to the neutral page it should be, before all the deliberately negative and false edits were made to it by those with POV push views. Vertisis (talk) 20:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know who you are, but you're clearly violating WP:IDHT all over the place. Please disengage, or yes, your account will be blocked. Sergecross73   msg me  21:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comments like this violate WP:CANVASS too. Yet another reason to stop. Sergecross73   msg me  22:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Are multiple, multi-paragraph responses throughout the day your idea of wrapping up and disengaging, or are you just flat out ignoring me now? Sergecross73   msg me  01:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

May 2023
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text at the bottom of your talk page:. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Unblock (re ferret); re Edge Games page
Vertisis (talk) 17:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, see, there's a little history for you on this. We could not do partial blocks from pages back then, it was not a technical feature of the site yet. If the capability had existed for me to do so, I absolutely would have done one back then as well. -- ferret (talk) 17:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yet as MrOllie noted when I first tried to edit the page at this time, what transpired in 2014 was, while contentious, an amicable exchange where we ended up agreeing on what edits would be done. All I was trying to do was correct errors noticed since 2014, not relitigate the same issues again. This is what MrOllie said:
 * "Note that the current version was heavily edited in 2014 at the prompting of Vertisis, a very long and contentious drafting process that resulted in a draft accepted by myself, Czar and Vertisis."
 * That does not sound like an incidence where it would have been remotely appropriate to block me editing, even if you had had that option back then, since we reached a draft accepted by all three of us. I note you were not involved in the final agreed edit in 2014, according to MrOllie. Vertisis (talk) 18:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I never wrote anything of the sort. MrOllie (talk) 18:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I copied and pasted without checking. The post was to MrOllie from Ferret:
 * Note that the current version was heavily edited in 2014 at the prompting of Vertisis, a very long and contentious drafting process that resulted in a draft accepted by myself, Czar and Vertisis. -- ferret (talk)
 * I thus amend what I said to clarify that having said this Ferret that does not reflect a member of 2014 where a reasonable consensus between you, Czar and me, following a lively discusssion, would have justified blocking me. Vertisis (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "..does not reflect a memory of 2014..." apologies for typo Vertisis (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Appeal block all editing privileges (ScottishFinnishRadish)
-- Deepfriedokra asked me to reply to him and the system tells me I can only do so by editing this appeal block. In reply to Deepfriedokra:

I was not blocked for editing anything as the record shows. I was blocked for having a discussion in "talk" about what future edits would be appropriate on two pages (EDGE GAMES and TRADEMARK TROLL). I was told my discussions of possible edits were being disruptive, but the discussions were entirely healthy exchanges of opinion, and in my case, at least, were supported by numerous secondary source cites to back my proposed changes. Nothing I was writing in the "talk" sections justified totally blocking me from writing in any talk section anywhere on Wikipedia. In the past we have had a number of editors join in "talk" and we only make an edit to the page when there is agreement to do so among the editors. We did this approach in 2014 for this same page. Other editors are currently being invited to join the discussion on these two pages "talk" sections and I see no justification for blocking me from taking part in the discussions given no edit would (or should) be made to either page without consensus of the editors discussing edits in "talk". Please reinstate me and let me continue the reasonable discussions. I was not doing edits when blocked and wasnt warned I'd be blocked because of edits I had made. I assure you I won't make edits to pages, I only wish to be part of the process of editors discussing potential future edits, which is a reasonable ask and not in any way contrary to Wikipedia guidelines. Vertisis (talk)


 * Thanks, but I was not seeking a reply. Please make out a new unblock request. Thanks-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@ Deepfriedokra I don't understand. You literally asked me to reply: "Please describe how your edits merited a block, what you would do different, and what constructive edits you would make. Thanks."

Are you saying the only way I can give you that reply to your questions is to open a new unblock request? When I am being warned not to make numerous repeat unblock requests? This system doesn't make sense. Please clarify how I reply to your questions.Vertisis (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vertisis (talk • contribs) 17:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Pings only work if they are done at the same time you signed your post, so DFO did not get your ping since you did not sign. That said, yes, that is exactly what you're being directed to do. The above unblock request is declined, so now you can open a new one heeding DFO's instructions to try again. I'll go ahead and give you a hint: You were asked to drop these topics repeatedly above by Sergecross, and did not. The fact you're not editing the articles (in fact, could not) and used the talk page does not lessen the disruption you were causing. Which is why 3 separate sysops have taken action against you or warned you of impending action against you. It's a good time to step back, before your next appeal, and ask yourself why it might be that everyone you're interacting with here hasn't accepted your sourcing or interpretations of them. Again, 3 sysops (Myself, Serge, and SFR) have warned and/or blocked you, and a fourth (DFO) has declined your first appeal because you fail to understand the nature of your warnings and block. -- ferret (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

ferret Thank you for your response. I have now signed my prior entry and apologize for not doing so before. I will heed your advice and not appeal the block for the time being. However, deleting the perfectly good statement and cite that Langdell said he has only sued 2 people since 1990 was an unsupported edit that should be reversed. That was not a disagreement with my sourcing or interpretations, it was a simple fact that there is no source that shows the deleted statement was out of date and thus it should be put back in, in my opinion which I believe is neutral and unbiased.Vertisis (talk).
 * Continuing to litigate the issue that got you blocked rather than making a proper appeal is unlikely to go in your favor. In regards to your claim though, it's simply wrong. The source made two statements: Edge Games also dismissed allegations that it's "lawsuit happy", stating that prior to 2009 it hadn't sued anyone other than Future. In fact, Edge Games itself was sued twice, once by Velocity Micro and once by Cybernet Systems.. It never said "Edge has only sued 2 people since 1990". So not only was the statement out of date, it was also unsourced and failed verification. -- ferret (talk) 19:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

ferret Sorry but I cannot allow a clear error like that go uncommented on. Read further down the deleted cite and you will see it says: ""Edge does not make a habit of taking legal action over the Edge mark: in the past 20 years Edge has only ever taken only two legal actions: one against Future Publishing (in 1994) and a second against EA (in 2010) - and the latter was because Future required them to do so." So Langdell did state that it had only sued two people in the past 20 years. The deleted edit was entirely correct, WAS SUPPORTED by the cite (was sourced) and there is no reason to believe it is out of date since there is no more recent source mentioning any new lawsuits since 2011 when the source article was published. The deleted text and delete source should be put back. And if you are critical of my responding then you really do need to think about how you are editing pages since my recommendation was entirely reasonable and accurate and is not deserving of any rebuke. Vertisis (talk)
 * You're right on one part. I searched the article for "sue", not "legal action". My bad. However, these are still Langdell's direct personal claims, and ultimately irrelevant. The number of exact lawsuits is unimportant in that many many many sources document continual threats of lawsuits, with the Trademark dispute section noting more than 8 such cases. But none of this helps you appeal your block. -- ferret (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not getting involved in this, but I just want to point out how bad you're making yourself look from the viewpoint of a Wikipedia Admin. I know it may not be intuitive to you, but from the "Wikipedia culture" perspective, this is a very bad sequence of events. Its hard to imagine a worse attempt to getting unblocked. I know you probably won't listen, but I can't help but tell you that you're not even close to being on the right track. If you want to get unblocked, there's all sorts of guidance at WP:UNBLOCK. What you're doing here is absolutely not the way though. Good luck. Sergecross73  msg me  22:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) I gave you a final warning about WP:IDHT and disengaging because your discussions were becoming disruptive.
 * 2) You ignored me complete and kept going.
 * 3) A second admin noticed your behavior as well, and independently came to the conclusion that your conduct was inappropriate, and blocked you.
 * 4) You've been blocked for a few days and you're still not disengaging in the dispute.

Request to remove block
Vertisis (talk) 22:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Request to unblock

 * I've already reviewed your appeal once. Another admin will review this one. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Vertisis, if unblocked, what articles do you plan on editing? Z1720 (talk) 16:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)