User talk:Very Bad Lion

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AfC notification: Draft:Albert Goldbeter has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Albert Goldbeter. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 08:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Albert Goldbeter (April 15)
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Drmies (talk) 14:15, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


 * If you ever want that article to make it into mainspace, you will have to start adding secondary sources, instead of piddling with citations of primary ones. The same applies to Michael Mackey, which lacks any reliable secondary sourcing. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What exactly do "secondary sources" mean? Very Bad Lion (talk) 14:48, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Wait--for real? Secondary sources are things that talk about a certain topic. Your topic is a person; your sources should talk about that person, not things written by that person. You were directed to Verifiability in 2019, which says "Base articles largely on reliable secondary sources"--with a link to Secondary source. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Very Bad Lion (talk) 16:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Albert Goldbeter (April 27)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Dan arndt was:

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Dan arndt (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I am somewhat confused I think. In my original submission I was dinged for having too many references to Goldbeter's work, so I cut that down substantially but still left reference to three of his most significant papers as well as two books--using footnotes, so I am unclear about the first objection.  Then the second comment "lacks significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources" does not tell me exactly what is lacking.  An example might help, and thanks in advance for suggestions and help. 2003:E4:973C:4A73:85A:6A35:AB0B:AFBA (talk) 06:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Albert Goldbeter
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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 07:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Albert Goldbeter


Hello, Very Bad Lion. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Albert Goldbeter".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 06:15, 27 October 2023 (UTC)