User talk:Very Sweaty Betty

Love it...Love the group and what you ladies are doing.

Keep up the good work.

72.177.237.182 (talk) 02:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010
Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for publicity and/or promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully.

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Probably not. See WP:FAQ/Organization for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, or organization. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit again. Consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead.
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If you believe this block was made in error, please see how to appeal a block. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:51, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Phantomsteve
 * You do realise that you probably wouldn't be able to create another article about Very Sweaty Betty, even if you change your user name? There are two reasons: firstly, you would have a conflict of interest (making it hard to write in a neutral way); secondly I can see no evidence that the group meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion (see here) and specifically the criteria for the notability of groups (see here). Given that, could you please tell us what area(s) you intend on editing, with some specific articles which you would like to edit, and what content you would plan an adding? --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 13:32, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I take your point - it's not easy to write neutrally. I would begin by removing the Facebook bio. The rest of the text is factual - regarding the history of VSB support group, I know I'd need to neutralise it - maybe remove some of the mentions of "very sweaty betty" and replace with "the support group", that sort of thing. I know it sounds a bit lame but I have fibromyalgia which affects my brain, it might take me a while to get it right.

Very Sweaty Betty (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not dispute that it is factual - however, we need independent (see here) and reliable (see here) sources to verify the information. I couldn't find anything at Google News or Google Books with that name, and no reliable sources at Google Web search. As such, I do not think that the group meets the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. However, not only web sources need to be used - has the group received independent coverage (i.e. not press releases) from the media?
 * Incidentally, the convention at Wikipedia is that reply below the message we are responding to, not at the top of the page (that's why I moved your reply down).
 * Finally, I am declining your unblock request, as it appears that your only interest in editing Wikipedia is to create an article for the group, which would not be suitable, as I have already mentioned. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 14:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello again Phantomsteve.

Fair enough, point taken - and I'm not arguing, but I don't understand why everything has to be documented in Google to make it 'reliable'. There's an electronic 'paper' trail for absolutely everything we've done since day one as it's all been online. You only have to look at the website to see it's genuine. In fact, if you look at the first tv documentary, you'll see that we were in fact mentioned on that. This is a mainstream, primetime, factual, medically astute television documentary - it doesn't get more reliable than that.

You mentioned that I only want to contribute to this page (or words to that effect) but that's not entirely correct, who knows what else I might be able to contribute to Wiki in the future, we all have to start somewhere. I'm disappointed with the assumption you made, if I'm honest, there's no actual fact in it...!

Very Sweaty Betty (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please put any new comments at the bottom of the page, not at the top!
 * As for my assumption that you only want to work on the group's article - I based that on the fact that you have made no mention of wanting to edit other articles, and even in your last message, you only say who knows what else I might be able to contribute to Wiki in the future - perhaps you could tell us what kind of articles you would want to edit, and what you would add to it?
 * Regarding the TV documentary (I presume you mean the channel 4 one?) - the documentary was not about the group, but about Hyperhidrosis, and a member of the group took part. This does not impart notability to the group - the mention of the group was not significant (in terms of the amount of air time).
 * You are welcome to add a new unblock request (below this message!) if you wish; as I have already declined a request, another admin would respond to it. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 19:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)