User talk:Vetrisimino0

Blocked as a sockpuppet
Note for admins considering future unblock requests: This user has been open to the constructive criticism I provided at Talk:Eritrea, while Middayexpress has not been. And it's Middayexpress, who accused User:Vetrisimino0 of socking. Policy states, "Tag-team editing - to thwart core policies (neutral point of view, verifiability, and no original research); or to evade procedural restrictions such as the three revert rule or to violate behavioral norms by edit warring; or to attempt to exert ownership over articles; or otherwise to prevent consensus prevailing - is prohibited." Possibly, Middayexpress and AcidSnow are Tag-team editing - to thwart NPOV. Also, fact check: User_talk:Ponyo has blocked User:Vetrisimino0 as an extremely likely, bordering Confirmed sock of Hiyob346, not a ✅ sock. OTOH, there was the behavior I criticized and the edit warring (with a tag team?) and Hiyob has quite the sockpuppet army. --Elvey(t•c) 00:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Elvey, with respect, repeating edits of a blocked user is not providing constructive criticism. What JohnCD indicated on your talk page about remembering to assume good faith and comment on content rather than the contributor is actual constructive criticism. What Huon is providing right now on the article's talk page is also actual constructive criticism. Middayexpress (talk) 20:04, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Some Third-party opinions
I've been asked to provide a third opinion on recent disputes. Here goes:


 * 1) Do you understand why File:Grand Kudu, Eritrea.jpg was deleted, Vetrisimino0? I'd like to hear that you do; you should after a read of .  It seems the deletion was appropriate.  (And, it's reversible with permission logged via an [[Commons:OTRS| OTRS ticket].)
 * 2) As for the suggestion to add pictures of all nine ethnic groups in Eritrea or remove the picture of two ethnic group pictures in the demographics section: From just reading this page, it looked like this had been settled, and the photos are to be left in and photos of members of other groups can be added over time (and there have been multiple other editors providing opinions already).  Good.  I would add that images should be shrunk or (better yet) merged, as at [:File:Eriamercol.jpg], so that this can happen.  However, I see File:Traditional_Eritrean_dance.jpg has replaced Tigrinya Eritrean wedding picture File:Eritrea_Eritrean_wedding.jpg.  Is this a problem?  I don't know the ethnicities of the photographed parties.  I haven't looked through the article's edit history and don't plan do.
 * 3) *Flickr has lots more appropriately licensed files. I see File:Rashaida_family.png is on the french article, so there are photos available.
 * 4) Re. Faytinga photo: I think it should stay. Re. Faytinga is half Tigrinya and half Kunama, her father is Kunama and mother is Tigrinya. [22]: The mayote site seems to be a mouthpiece for a particular set of politicial views, so I don't think it's a reliable source for much other than its own views. (My opinion would be swayed if it had a written fact-checking policy.) However, given 3 other sources Vetrisimino0 says confirm Faytinga's mother's ethnicity, it seems reasonable to belive it's true.  Can you accept that, Middayexpress?  If not, I still think her picture merits inclusion (without noting her mother's ethnicity) and 'clutter' is a poor argument for its removal here.
 * 5) I do wish to point out that a blanket order to a fellow editor like Don't remove content without prior discussion and agreement. is highly inappropriate and invalid here! The WP:BOLD guideline applies to, and allows, such edits. However, so does the part of BOLD that guides one as to how to react when one's bold edits are not left in place.  So, in other words, both of you should read / review WP:BOLD. (I see no argument for an exception to BOLD.)

So, hopefully both sides will accept my opinions, and move on to edit on other topics within and without Eritrea. There are points where I have agreed with each of you and points where I have disagreed with each of you (two each), and I believe I've been able to be fair and impartial. Hope that helps.--Elvey(t•c) 22:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

PS As for the coffee... Both photos are technically about equally poor, but good enough for use in an article. File:Coffee_ceremony.jpg is superior, subject-wise. so it should stay in. --Elvey(t•c) 22:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answers they are appriciated. Regarding the File:Grand Kudu, Eritrea.jpg. Yes, it was deleted since it was not under the correct license. The user owning the photographs gave consent for me too use them on wikipedia in a shape or form. Ive been discussing with the author to get them re-licenced and uploaded to commons using the right licence. This is very time consuming and tricky for the author. However its in progress and the author will hopefully upload them soon. Regarding the picture of Faytinga I also hope we can accept what Elvey has mentioned, there is no reason for not having it. I think we should upload it. And for the coffee picture, we could leave the existing one since Elvey mentioned that the one Middayexpress added was slightly better. Do we have an agreement?  Vetrisimino0 (talk) 00:01, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * --Elvey(t•c)

Elvey, while your initial suggestions in the menu above were somewhat constructive (and were made after Vetrisimino0 contacted you for input), they unfortunately were just a small fraction of what you actually wrote on the talk page. They are also quoted out of their full context, and omit my reply. Most of the rest of what you wrote has a markedly different tone; it is needlessly aggressive, with a lot of shouting and whatnot. Worse, you actually attempted to readd Vetrisimino0's disputed Faytinga file (!). This is not constructive in any sense. Huon's suggestions are more helpful (and polite) in this regard. Middayexpress (talk) 22:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * User:PhilKnight, I don't mean to be rude but I cannot be acountable for this. One of the account you are conneting me with have been registred but not eaven been used. The second one you are referring to has made two edits on wikipeadia and certainly not by me. And these two accounts has not been edting or been involved in editing the pages I have been editing. Maybe someone on the same network/range as me? I do live in place where there is a shared Wifi. So im asking you, based on these accounts you are refusing to unblocking me? This is certainly punitive and not preventative in any way. Preventative from what?


 * On the page its says. "This page in a nutshell: The general rule is one editor, one account. Do not use multiple accounts to mislead, deceive, vandalize or disrupt; to create the illusion of greater support for a position; to stir up controversy; or to circumvent a block, ban, or sanction. Do not ask your friends to create accounts to support you. Do not revive old unused accounts and use them as different users, or use another person's account. Do not log out just to vandalize as an IP address editor."


 * I have used this account to edit. And can you explain to me which accounts I have created to misleasd, deceive, vandalized or tried to disrupt. Or how I have created the illusion of greater support for a position, to stir up controversy; or circumvent a block, ban or sanction? I have not asked anyone to create an account to support me. Then these accounts you are accusing me for using would have supported me in conflicts wouldn't they,  they haven't. I have not revived old unused accounts and used them as different users, or used another persons account. And I have not logged in to vandalize as an IP adress editor. So how is this block justified?  Vetrisimino0 (talk) 22:55, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * AcidSnow and Middayexpress, you have now used your rights to write on my page. Your are basically spamming it. So stop it. Vetrisimino0 (talk) 21:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Based on your abusive unblock requests and comments, I have revoked access to this page. You can use WP:UTRS if you wish to lodge an appeal.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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