User talk:Vgaiyfi

September 2022
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 * Is it not possible to create a subsection called "Question"? They exist in the article 2014 Donbas status referendums. Vgaiyfi (talk) 16:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Vgaiyfi! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of 2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree&#32;at, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. Rsk6400 (talk) 14:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I really hope we don't get to something like an edit war; but certainly a unilateral action like the one you are performing (removing the article's content and claiming that there is consensus about it at the same time, when there isn't) is not tolerable. I have expanded my answer on the article's Talk page, which is the correct place to talk about infoboxes. Vgaiyfi (talk) 15:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on 2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. ''I didn't claim there was consensus. In the absence of consensus, you may not restore your preferred version. The next time you restore the infoboxes, I'll take it to the edit warring noticeboard at WP:ANI/3RR.'' Rsk6400 (talk) 15:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * In the absence of consensus on a proposal that was discussed (the non-inclusion of infoboxes), the use of infoboxes should not be restricted. There was no consensus for not adding them. Therefore, if you consider that it is necessary to remove them, it would be necessary to reach consensus to support your proposal. So, please don't claim that I am restoring the article to my "preferred version", since there have been many users who have made modifications to the article after the infoboxes were added (and re-added) who have not removed them (one user, for example, added the title to the first two infoboxes, which I had not done). I think you are the one who is acting unilaterally and trying to keep the article in your "preferred version". Vgaiyfi (talk) 16:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Thank you. Rsk6400 (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring at 2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine
 You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Per a complaint at the edit warring noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 03:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I never claimed that there was consensus to remove the infoboxes. I only stated WP rules which say that in the absense of consensus we keep the status quo. You even stated that you knew the relevant guidelines. Rsk6400 (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, if there is no consensus to remove the infoboxes, then why did you remove them? In this case, respecting the status quo means keeping the infoboxes until consensus is reached to eliminate them (see the RfC about it). Vgaiyfi (talk) 14:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "Status quo" means "the state as it was before" the conflict began. And the conflict clearly began when you added the first infobox although you had achieved no consensus at the talk page. To put it simple: There were no infoboxes before you added them. Rsk6400 (talk) 15:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You claim that "the conflict clearly began when you added the first infobox". No, the conflict began when you deleted the infoboxes that were added as part of the development of the article. They were re-added because, although there was a discussion about it, there was no consensus not to add them. Vgaiyfi (talk) 23:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There were no infoboxes from Sept 20 to Sept 27, i.e. for (some hours more than) a week. This time also includes the time of the first discussion on the talk page, and the time of the "referendums" being conducted. Given the huge amount of edits during that week, I think we really can call the version without infoboxes the "stable version", i.e. the status quo. Rsk6400 (talk) 06:31, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

October 2022

 * Don't be silly. You've been here since 2014-09-03. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Okey, I understand the reason. But I have not incurred in abuse since I have not used both accounts in the same discussions, nor have I edited the same articles. The only reason why I created this account is because of privacy. As far as I know it is allowed to have a secondary account for such a reason. Vgaiyfi (talk) 01:12, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Your edits overlap on one important article, and you have not met the requirements of WP:ALTACCN. "Because of privacy" sounds nice, but you'll have to come up with something better than that. And to make sure that you will reconsider your disruption (that is, non-neutral edits that seem to support Russian propaganda), I'll post a template below with some information on arbitration on Ukraine-related edits. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What is the article where my edits overlap? As far as I know, since I created this user, I have not used the other account at any time. Regarding the content about Russia and Ukraine, we can talk about that as much as necessary. But what matters more to me are the accounts, as I don't think I have incurred in any abuse proper to the use of multiple accounts. Vgaiyfi (talk) 01:29, 1 October 2022 (UTC)


 * , I'm wondering. If this editor sticks to their one account (the other), and accepts a topic ban on Ukraine/Russia, I might could go with an unblock--although I have not yet checked to which extent they have disrupted other wikis (I have filed a global block request). What do you think? Drmies (talk) 01:54, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That would work for me. --Yamla (talk) 10:01, 1 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Please, check everything you consider necessary. My account, the main one, is something valuable to me; it's been years on Wikipedia. Before losing it, I would accept a topic ban. Vgaiyfi (talk) 02:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm so angry, I just have to say this: You wasted a lot of editors's time (including mine) with your repetitive way of discussing and edit warring. And I was still thinking, "Maybe they really are a new editor acting in good faith." I wasted my time trying to point out and explain all the relevant rules to you. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:18, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Just one question: have I ever used my primary account to argue with you about anything concerning Russia/Ukraine?? I have not used both my accounts at the same time to reply to you. So, where is the abuse then? I have defended my opinion and I have not wasted anyone's time. I have also spent time replying to you, but I don't see it as a waste of time. Apart from that, I never said I was a newbie; on the contrary, I stated that I knew the guidelines to which I was referred. Vgaiyfi (talk) 14:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I pointed you to WP:ALTACCN. You've been here for eight years or more; I shouldn't have to go over that with you. What Rsk6400 is feeling, that's one of the reasons that socking is so incredibly disruptive and destructive: it undermines one of our most basic tenets--WP:AGF. And yes, I'm calling it socking, since it's not an "alternate account" until those guidelines are followed. So here is what I will do: I am going to DS topic ban on your other account, and this account is going to remain blocked. And I am going to revoke talk page access here so we don't have to go from one talk page to another, and if in six months or a year some admin needs to figure out what happened, that will make that easier. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)