User talk:Vgriffeth

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Hello, Vgriffeth, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! RJFJR (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your clarifications. Good idea to write something on your user page about your interests; that way, when you contribute to Wikipedia, your name does not light up in red. Wikipedia has a learning curve; if you decide to contribute more extensively and run into questions or issues, write something on my talk page and I'll try to help.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:12, 4 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the tips! I've made anonymous edits in the past mostly to medically related articles, but I will start using my username instead. Vgriffeth (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Great. Wikipedia is a cool encyclopedia because of sharp folks making contributions!--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:09, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Women's rugby content
Hey. Thanks for your message. I agree there is not enough coverage of women's rugby on English wikipedia, but I don't think the eligibility guidelines are really much of a problem. Think of WP:NSPORTS as a guide to what the community thinks would meet the General notability guidelines (often abbreviated GNG). GNG basically states you need two independent reliable sources that significantly cover the subject. The reason the article on you got deleted is because the closing administrator believed their was only one of these sources, although I think the other sources were reliable, and were significant when taken together – however I understand the admins decision because it was a fine line. In many ways GNG is our way of outsourcing notability to a third party -- if a topic is well covered by trusted independent sources then it is notable, otherwise it is not.

So the major problem we have with women's rugby is a lack of reliable independent sources. If we had plenty of those, then we could write a large number of articles (such as biographies) without too much trouble, and without having to worry about them being deleted. You can't write encyclopaedia articles without these sources (because Wikipedia does not engage in original research). Of course this lack of good sources reflects the media's lack of coverage of the sport. My contributions here are basically dictated by the sources I have access to (books etc), which is why my edits are what they are.

So if we can find reliable sources, then the main problem becomes finding enough people to write the articles. But this problem is the same we have for a lot of topics (especially ones that suffer from systematic bias). What I've done is add a few sources that I've found to the resources page at WikiProject Rugby union -- which can be found here. These are not necessarily independent sources (a profile published by USA Rugby on one of their players is not independent), but they're still going to be useful. The Black Ferns are lucky because the New Zealand Rugby Museum (which is independent of the NZRU) had a lot of mini-biographies on their website, and we can still access some of these through webarchiving services. That means if we can find another article out there on them, then they meet GNG (because we have more than one appropriate source).

Anyway I think the best thing to do is see what sources you can find – if you find anything of general use, feel free to add it to the resources page I linked to above. As you're new to wikipedia, you may want to be aware of our conflict of interest guidelines. I'm not sure whether you know any of those people you want to create articles on, but if you do, you may want to be careful regarding COI. If you find some sources on those three then we can think about creating articles on them. I can help you if we get to that stage, but you may want to have a look at Articles for creation as well. Anyway hope this helps and answers some of your questions. -- Shudde  talk 10:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I see you've created the article Emil Signes. I will have a read through and try and give it a little polish sometime this week. Are you confident it meets WP:GNG? Only other advice is that at the moment nothing links to it, so maybe there could be links added from articles on some of the teams he coached, such as United States national rugby union team (sevens) (which needs a bit of a rewrite actually, and has no history section at the moment). - Shudde  talk 09:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Emil Signes
Gatoclass (talk) 18:43, 2 July 2014 (UTC)