User talk:Vic49

RE: Thanks
Thanks for creating it. ;) --Ted87 (talk) 21:31, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Paul DiMarco
I agree that it should be nominated for deletion. There is no concrete source that states that he even exists. Some of them are just info from wikipedia (his info was previously deleted from the Genovese crime family page). --Ted87 (talk) 03:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

116th Street Crew
Hi, Vic I came across 116th Street Crew page and saw its up for deletion, wondering if you could join in on the discussion. --JoeyBR (talk) 20:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Colombos/King of the Godfathers
I was working off the paperback printing. Would that have been a different ISBN number (the 10-digit perhaps)? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 02:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Re:Will Genovese, not a mobster
Just put a couple warnings on his talk page and report him if he continues. --Ted87 (talk) 02:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion Process
Hi Vic, sorry for the slow response - haven't been on Wiki for the past week. I think that deleting these articles is a good idea - wiki has too many articles about inconsequential LCN characters. This is the article for the Wiki deletion process (complicated as usual): Wikipedia:Guide to deletion

Basically, you add a special tag (I deleted the tag itself) to the top of the article. If the author wants to keep the article, he/she removes the tag. If the tag is still there after a week, the article is yanked.

Good luck and thanks for taking the time to edit the stories in this category!Rogermx (talk) 15:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Most dont even meet Notability or Notability (people)

Deletion II
I believe that you have done everthing, Vic. If there is a process problem, I think one of the Wiki Gods will help you. Again, your efforts are appreciated!Rogermx (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Lucchese family
I suggest it might be better if you took them to AfD. Someone is more likely to be able to confirm the references there, or else disprove it. I am a little puzzled--where do you think the information in those articles did come from?  DGG ( talk ) 02:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Another Gotti issue
Thanks.

If you have his book, can you see what he says about where Gotti's parents came from? Davis seemed to think they were Neapolitan immigrants. Capeci's second book took a recording of Gotti saying they were natural born citizens and it was his grandparents who immigrated here.

In the article you gave me, Raab is convinced Gotti's parents were the immigrants, but by the time he wrote Gotti's obituary he had changed his mind. If you have it, can you see if he discusses it? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 02:57, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I was hoping he would go into more detail or discuss some sort of confirmation someone did, but I guess I can go with this. Thanks. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 01:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

PROD rejected.
Proposed deletion may only be used in articles. Consider Categories for discussion instead. If the categories are new and empty, they may qualify for Speedy deletion. mechamind 9  0  00:15, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: 1963 Commission chart
Done.

File:CommissionChart1963.jpg

--Ted87 (talk) 01:22, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

South Brooklyn
I am reverting all of your recent edits to the list of Brooklyn neighborhoods. South Brooklyn is a neighborhood but it does not include any of the other neighborhoods you've put under it. Given your user status, I'm a bit surprised that you would base this on that one source you cited. Has your account password been compromised? Dave Golland (talk) 21:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

In my fever yesterday, I may have confused Red Hook with South Brooklyn. But the other thing is that the page isn't a historical list of neighborhoods, but a current list of neighborhoods. Park Slope, Caroll Gardens, etc. are actual neighborhoods now, not part of a larger neighborhood. By the same token, we're not categorizing the neighborhoods by historical town (i.e. New Utrecht, Gravesend, etc.) but by geographical region within the borough. Perhaps we could compromise: Let's make South Brooklyn one of the headings, like "southwest Brooklyn," and explain that its name derives from its location in the original town of Brooklyn, not the modern borough.

I enjoyed "Brooklyn by Name." When I get around to it I'll take another look. Arcadia Publishing has a series on NYC neighborhoods; I bought "Gravesend, Brooklyn" by Joseph Ditta at the New York Historical Society.

Dave Golland (talk) 15:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I would also advocate removing Bococa and restoring the three neighborhoods there to full status. Bococa is a realtor creation and the residents mostly prefer their actual neighborhood names (in my observation). Dave Golland (talk) 15:19, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Gotti indictment
Do you know if there's any site where I can find the 1990 Gotti indictment? I wanna add who the other two guys he was charged with murdering were. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. As far as I can tell, judging from Rise and Fall, Gotti was first charged with Paul, Bilotti, Deebee (Robert DiBernardo) and Milito, and they added DiBono shortly afterwards.
 * And on the subject, do you have any Mafia books? I am to understand Mob Star goes into more detail about Gotti's earlier career, in particular a codefendant to Dellacroce in a loansharking case he may have murdered. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:47, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

DeCavalcante crime family
Someone has just blanked large sections of the DeCavalcante crime family as a BLP violation due to the lack of references. A very strange, and dare I say counterproductive move, but I don't think I can get it restored on my own.

Figured I'd let you know. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

removed names, they dont have articles
Hello,

I see you do a good job with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobsters_by_city

There are other pages that might need same work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_mobsters_of_Irish_descent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish-American_mobsters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_American_mobsters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_criminal_organizations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Kevin P. (talk • contribs) 22:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Whacking Castelle and Vitulli articles
Vic, I think deleting these articles is a great idea - there are too many Cosa Nostra articles that fail the notability requirements. I also appreciate your request for my input - I wish all the editors were as gracious as you are. 65.37.8.237 (talk) 17:15, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Mariano Zagone
Hello Vic49. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Mariano Zagone, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Rosario Dispenza
Hello Vic49. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Rosario Dispenza, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 02:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

CSD rationale
I notice you tagged Anthony Stabile as a G12. The material comes from. That particular page isn't very clear on licensing (or perhaps i missed it), but ]http://wiki.thesopranos.com/Main_Page this page] implies that everything has a license like Wikipedia. I think they've done an abysmal job at clarifying their licensing, but I'm not convinced this is a G12, which requires unequivocal evidence.

I'm sure you will agree there are other problems. Even if the license is OK, the attribution is nonexistent (or I missed it). However, I'm going to decline the speedy on this basis. It has been reported to Copyright problems for the experts to sort out. You are free to pick another CSD category, if you think one applies.-- SPhilbrick  T  14:46, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Geneovese
In regard to this page, please note that WP:CSD does not apply when there is a redirect from the main article space to another page in the main article space. Furthermore, one reason redirects are used is to help people find articles when they misspell the names. We even have a template and a category to deal with that. Consequently, I declined the speedy deletion request. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Oops, sorry
Didn't mean to remove your edit from the template for Organized crime groups in NYC - I see you put it back, so it's all fixed now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.107.247 (talk) 18:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

CSD A7 on Joseph Amato
Hi, just dropping by to let you know that I have challenged your WP:CSD A7 tagging of Joseph Amato. Criteria A7 has very strict criteria for application, specifically the article must not even indicate why the subject is important. Whether or not being the head of a crime organization is sufficient to meet the WP:BIO notability guidelines, it is enough to survive CSD criteria A7. If you still believe the article should be deleted, I suggest you pursue an alternative deletion process WP:DP. Monty 845  17:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Massaro nickname controversy from "Anthony Baratta" entry
I see that you undid an edit on the Anthony Baratta entry from user "Ninelongnights" of Joseph Massaro's corrected nickname. I am 100% certain that his nickname was indeed "Joey Bang Bang."

To understand why you undid the correction, I looked up the information in the references related to the statement that mentions his nickname (reference notes 2 and 3). Although the nickname is mentioned in "Gangbusters: The Destruction of America's Last Great Mafia Dynasty" By Ernest Volkman (note 2) as "Joey Bang" on page 308, it is also mentioned in "Jerry Capeci's Gang Land" By Jerry Capeci (note 3) as "Joey Bang Bang" on pages 133, 142, and 327. I can assure you that the latter source contains the correct nickname, based on first-hand knowledge.

I understand that this message can not be considered a valid source, but either way that the nickname may be mentioned in the Anthony Baratta entry, it will be correct according to one source and incorrect according to the other. I edited the nickname back to "Joey Bang Bang" and I am starting this discussion on the controversy to help you understand why it was edited in the first place, and to avoid any sort of edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.60.8 (talk) 06:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Mafia templates
Hi! I wonder if you could take a look at this and maybe share your opinion on how to move forward with the Mafia templates: Template_talk:Mafia

I think it would be of great benefit to this subject area if we were to make it easier to overlook by having templates in all articles related to the American and Sicilian Mafia. For example, I just recently happened to come across your very good contribution about the New Jersey faction of the Genovese family. If we could work out a well defined and inclusive template it would be easier to find such articles and to establish a context from any one article. Shoplifter (talk) 21:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm on vacation the next few weeks and will be off-wiki for awhile. I just wanted to alert you to this bot request I put up yesterday:


 * Bot_requests


 * Hopefully they will run a bot that will add the template to all articles in the Italian-American organized crime category. Shoplifter (talk) 22:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Great work on the Lucchese template. I was inspired to make one for the Genovese family: User:Shoplifter/Sandbox_2 It's a bit different to comport with the articles available. I wonder if you could have a look and revise it as necessary. I'm not exactly sure how to classify current and former members (i.e., people who are in prison seems to be regarded as "former" members, but obviously that cannot be the case if the person is still actively involved in the family). Feel free to make any changes you see fit. Shoplifter (talk) 12:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Should Casso's cops be included in the Lucchese template? The template is on their page, and given they were convicted it should be safe enough. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:55, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Morello crime family
When editing the Genovese template I naturally came across the articles related to the Morellos, and there's a great deal of discrepancy between them. For example, Antonio Morello is claimed to be the first boss and the eldest brother of the Morellos in his article and in the article on the Genovese family (although it was said he died of natural causes in the latter and not by gunshot as in the former, I changed it), and so I revised the article on Giuseppe Morello to conform to this. But when I noticed that the family history was way off in between the different articles, I started looking for sources to find out what the consensus really is. In this one of few good sources I found Google books "Antonio Morello" is not mentioned at all or included in the Morelly family tree. It says in the article on Giuseppe that some believe him Antonio to have been cousins and not brothers.

Are you perhaps aware of what the historical consensus is or do you have any other sources which we could use in straightening out the historical record and making these articles conform to one another? Thanks. Shoplifter (talk) 05:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I've straightened out the record to accord with the Critchley source (unfortunately it's not available in full at Google books, but the family tree and some of the text clarifies plenty of issues) in the articles on Giuseppe and Nicholas Morello. Left are the articles on the Morello crime family, Genovese crime family, Ciro Terranova and Ignazio Saietta. Also, there's a few related articles which should be included in the Genovese template, e.g. Charles Ubriaco, Joseph Fanaro and Tommaso "The Ox" Petto. One of the crucial points I haven't found a source for is whether the 107th Street Mob actually was the precursor of the Morello family - I presume this is true, hence the lede to Giuseppe's article. Anyway, I'll let this stuff lie until the AfD on Antonio Morello is sorted. Shoplifter (talk) 08:51, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Joseph Fanaro
Hello Vic49. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Joseph Fanaro to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. Courcelles 05:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Gambino template
This one was a bit difficult; lots of names and sometimes the article doesn't clearly state how exactly the person was/is involved in the family. Feel free to make any revisions as always. User:Shoplifter/Sandbox 2 Shoplifter (talk) 08:06, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Thinking of working on Gotti again
Do you know where I can find a list of all Gotti's codefendants in his first RICO case? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:30, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Giacalone's 1985 case, yeah. I have Mafia Dynasty, Rise and Fall, and Five Families, but all of these list a few of the big names (Gotti, Ruggiero, Johnson usually) but finish with "and others". Maybe I'll check NYT myself later. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 18:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Found it!

Six co-defendants: Gene, Johnson, Leonard DiMaria, Tony Rampino, Nicholas Corozzo and John Carneglia. Ruggiero wasn't in that trial apparently. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 18:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Never heard of The Book of John Gotti, and the cover doesn't look like it's from a formal publisher. I've been working off Mafia Dynasty, Gotti: Rise and Fall and Five Families. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Julie Morrell
Hello Vic49. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Julie Morrell, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:58, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Jack McManus
Hello Vic49. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Jack McManus, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 13:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Joel Cacace
Hi, Vic I was reading the Joel Cacace article and it said Cacace was a friend of Colombo crime family capo Luca DeMateo. I only found one Ref supporting Luca Demateo and found another mobster named Michael Dematteo in an indictments  who is the capo? --LibertyZip (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I found LUCA DIMATTEO was released from prison March 2007. Check out these indictments February 26, 2003 and Feb. 27, 2003. --Vic49  (talk)  16:13, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Also found this Judge Deals Blind Card Dealer A Break by John Marzulli (December 18, 2004) New York Daily News "associate Patrick Piccirillo ran an illegal Caribbean poker controlled by Colombo family capo Luca DiMatteo; Patrick Piccirillo brother Ralph was also a Colombo family capo" --Vic49 (talk)  18:07, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * In the Carmine Sessa crew there was a man named Mike DeMatteo United States of America v. Michael Sessa --Vic49 (talk)  18:28, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Whack DeMartino)
Had forgotten that I wrote this article - agree that it does not meet notability requirements. I have tagged it with G7. I appreciate you reviewing these articles (including mine).Rogermx (talk) 16:24, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Ralph Natale is up
Unfortunately, I don't have my copy of The Last Gangster on hand, so all I've got is a stub. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks good I've added it to Template:Philadelphia crime family, I dont known much about the philly mob. --Vic49 (talk)  20:35, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Also on the subject of the Philly Mob, do we know for sure if Nicky Scarfo Jr was ever made with them before the Lucchese family?


 * I couldn't find any references saying he was a made man in the philly mob. I don't know he could have been? His father was the boss and he didn't leave the philly mob until 1989, then he went to the Lucchese family. --Vic49 (talk)  20:35, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of James Episcopia for deletion
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Persico confusion
Vic, I think DeRoss is Allie boy's uncle by marriage. Allie's other uncle is Alphonse Persico (no senior). Allie's father is Carmine Persico Junior. DeRoss and Carmine Jr would be brothers-in-law. If you wish to fix this mess that I probably created, please do so!Rogermx (talk) 00:10, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Vic, I don't have any other source naming DeRoss as Allie's brother. Sorry - thanks for making the changes. I also appreciate your efforts to cull out the non-notable Cosa Nostra articles (including Abbatemarco). Rogermx (talk) 23:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Corallo mugshot
Yes, looks like it is an FBI mugshot. I don't know what the Wikipedia Picture Police will say about it, but worth trying. Also, agree with you on whacking Testa.Rogermx (talk) 18:57, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey Vic, I uploaded the Corallo mugshot File:Anthony.corallo.jpg. Let me know if any problems. I also marked Aparo for speedy deletion. Rogermx (talk) 18:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC) Aparo was declined for author deletion - can see remarks on my talk pageRogermx (talk) 19:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Gangster notability
Pat Testa reminded me - you think John Franzese Jr would pass? He did turn states and testify in court, and I can't find information on a previous deletion. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The AP story explicitly names him as an associate. I'll throw it in. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 00:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
v/r - TP 18:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC) x2

FYI
Vic, I recently signed up for NY Times digital subscription. That means I can get archive articles for free. Let me know if you need a particular mobster article and I will get it for you. Keep up the winnowing effort - I think there are other Lufthansa heist articles that aren't notable. Rogermx (talk) 16:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Got another one for you: Raymond Wean. He turned states evidence, but it doesn't look like his testimony accomplished anything significant. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 18:34, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

DeLeo image
Give this a try: Ralph Deleo mugshot Rogermx (talk) 18:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

FBI posters
I found the FBI missing poster for a Chicago mobster I made the stub for a while ago. You think I'll have any problems uploading it? Was the Joe Bonnanno poster deleted for probably being derivative of a personal pic used for identification or for something else? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Lucchese
I found this website where native speakers repeat a name that enter. I guessed at how it should read and am probably wrong - why don't try Lucchese there? http://www.forvo.com/languages/it/ Ciao! Rogermx (talk) 03:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Times Article
Vic, you won't believe it, but I was reading that article today (they tried to deport Three Finger Brown twice!). It is a PDF - how can I get it to you? Rogermx (talk) 03:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Vic, Lucchesse's mom was named Maria and the father Guiseppe. Here is the M'Granery PDF URL. Rogermx (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of William Devino for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article William Devino is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Have been wanting to delete this one for a while, now.

Licavoli Family hoax
Someone recreated the fictional Detroit Licavoli family under a different name. One of us should get all names we can think of for this hoax redirected and locked to Cleveland. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

PS This is the guy - we may need to make a bit of a cleanup. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow. All of them. Thanks. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Civello crime family
Hello. I've noticed your efforts regarding organized crime articles and I would like your advice about the California-based Civello crime family. Nothing in the article checks out. I can't find reliable sources that verify this family's existence. Is this a hoax? • Gene93k (talk) 18:20, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll speedy it myself. For reference when it goes here's the creator. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Phil Mangano pic?
Looks old enough for the copyright to have expired. What do you think? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

American Mafia induction rituals
I literally just discovered this article. Adding it to the template. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Casso WPP-dropping article
Putting this here if you need it. Would add it myself now, but would probably get into an edit conflict. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Current commission members
Should we just scrap that section of the Comission article? It's just speculation at this point. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 01:58, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You can take it down, no reference for the current commission members anyhow. --Vic49 (talk)  23:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

You know anyone with a Gangland subscription?
I finally got Crittle's book, and I think I might be able to fix up Joseph Massino, but there's still one thing I know I need.

During Vinny's last trial Joey actually said that Sonny Black wasn't killed over Donnie Brasco, but as far as I can tell no one but Capeci picked up on it. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 02:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * As far as a knew Rogermx only had NYT archives, but I'll ask. I'm also registered on that forum under the same username, so maybe I'll PM someone there. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 00:19, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Bonannos
If I recall correctly, wasn't the pic up before and deleted? I'll try to find the deletion rationale and see what I can do.

And don't be afraid to pitch in on Big Joey if you can. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ta. Hopefully I'll get the right ISBN number for that edition. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bartolomeo Vernace
Some new guy created a bunch of mediocre, poorly sourced articles. This one in particular might actually be noteable if cleaned up. Thought I'd give you a heads up. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not entirely sure if I could use it as a source, particularly as I can't even link it, but sounds interesting at any rate. Thanks. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I knew I saw that "we don't have to" comment somewhere!
 * Thanks...now just to find some way to cite it. The Biography Channel website seems to put up one full episode on rotation, so that won't do much good. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I have seen it before, but given it's not an explicitly sanctioned posting it would probably be a copyvio link.
 * And I'm not sure if that info would go in early life or early mob work. I know I've still got to include the J&S social club and the Infante murder, and finish reffing and expanding the '86 and '04 convictions.
 * Two other things I'm not sure about, do you think "Grand Finale" and the Robert Perrino murder are relevant to Massino himself? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 01:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Massino's restaurant legit work. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 02:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

One more thing I just noticed when I redid the infobox: where did the old birth place of New Haven come form? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 18:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting, got the DOB right but made up the place. Biography Channel puts it in Maspeth, but all the books I've got just say he grew up there.
 * I tend to avoid using TruTV as a source because I'm pretty sure it counts as a tertiary source, but what do you think about Bio? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Born Jan. 10, 1943, in New York," - close enough? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd had seen that on the Bio channel page, but I wasn't sure if it counted as a tetriary source, and if that would be a big deal at FAC. Still, seeing that I can probably fall back on it if the LAT isn't enough.
 * And KotG mentions three daughters as well, but the preview doesn't have the full page. There's also a Daily Mail article that I had cited before, but it looked like a pretty blatant plagiarism case. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:38, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hadn't realized the name connection. It's probably safe to go with three daughters, though I wish we knew what happened to the middle kid. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

KG
I've been looking for a mod to find King Genovese so I could ask them to check if he's a sock of this guy. The MO isn't a perfect match, but they share traits of counterproductive mafia-related edits, video game cruft, and blanking their talk pages, and KG showed up just after Evan got his first block.

Just if you find someone to talk to first.

On an unrelated note, I just hit the NYT paywall limit today. Might hold me back a bit on Massino. Thanks for trying to find his birthplace. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I was checking a 2011 NYP article in the refs to see if there was a more recent statement on the matter when I noticed this:


 * Them - April 13: In an effort to thwart wiretapping feds, he also shuttered the family's social clubs, and insisted that meetings be held in foreign nations or obscure locations within the United States.


 * Us - February 9: He closed the long-standing social clubs of the Bonanno family and often conducted family meetings in foreign countries or remote locations within the United States.


 * I'd say we weren't exactly plagarized, but it looks like they may have referenced us. I'll think about replacing it. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, Sixth Family concurs on high school. I'll replace it shortly. --Lenin and McCarthy  |  (Complain here) 22:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ta. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Joey
All that's left now is the lead, and then the cleanup will be finished. I ordered a cheap copy of Unfinished Business, the only source without a Google preview, and there's still the Gangland article, but besides that it's almost done.

So...you think I should go to GAN or PR first? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd say ask on the GAN talk page. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Martin Krugman
Hello Vic49. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Martin Krugman, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''The article is not substantially the same as the deleted version. A new deletion discussion is required.''' Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:13, 4 July 2012 (UTC)


 * And again. Please don't keep adding the speedy deletion tag, it fails to meet criterion G4 and such behaviour is disruptive. Thanks,  W a g g e r s  TALK  10:04, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Falcone-Borsellino image
Hi, maybe you could have a look at ? - DonCalo (talk) 19:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect AfD notices
Hi, just wanted to let you know that you've accidentally placed two incorrect AfD notifications on my user talk page. I am the creator of neither of the articles in question, the author is [this guy. Thanks! --[[User:IShadowed|IShadowed]] 21:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Massino GAN
Finally got a review. There's a little more cleanup recommended, if you think you can help. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 07:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's done. Should I take it to peer review now or wait until the Cacace trial starts up? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably, though that definitely will wait until the trial wraps up. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Bufalino Page
While some of your edits n posts are accurate,I have noted you base a hefty percentage of your posts on one outdated and sometimes incorrect source and when someone tries to correct erroneous information or sources you edit their corrections out. Ego has no place in the realm of truth. Please research your edits and posts for veracity before you erase the hard work of others. On the above referenced page your dates, names, means of death, number and names of living and dead members and associates are in many cases incorrect and this can easily be verified by numerous free online resources,however, you continue to automatically edit away all postings to the page simply because the info conflicts with your erroneous information.I wish you would verify before editing.Thank you.Genoeffa (talk) 11:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Bufalino Page
Added some information to the page as well as some sources. I have much more info and sources but its getting late or early depending how you look at it. I hope to add more on the evening of August 3rd, 2012. New to this Wiki editing so please bear with me.Anyway, pleasure to meet your aquantince and thank you for your courteous reply and consideration to my edit.Genoeffa (talk) 09:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC) Thank you.


 * The reference you posted on your clean up for Russell BUfalinos appeal from his APalachin conviction is incorrect. You replaced my reference with a cite for an appeal from an I.N.S. inquiry board's decision, not the Apalachin appeal. The original reference from Justia is correct. Also, the onewal.com site which you have yourself used as a reference states in it's Scranton Bosses section that Joseph Barbara was a member of the Buffalo family there are also archived F.B.I. wiretaps where Stefano Maggadino nanes BArbara as a member of the Buffalo family. The Informer Journal April, 2011 issue, which I habe cited in my revision, also lists Barbara as a member of the Buffalo family. Informer Journal is a reference qualify monthly publication  written by Genealogy researchers who have an interest in Organized crime history. The cited issue is abailable on scribd.com for 5 dollars for the printable issue or you can find snippets online for free. I find that much of Capeci's material on current events is mostly accurate but on historical issues he sometimes repeats tje same old inaccuracies  that unfortunately sometimes take a life of their own. In reference to John Sciandra, he was not murdered.  He died of a heart attack in 1949; also listed on the same issue of informer journal I cited as well as tje onewal.com site both you and I cited. I plan on working on tje page again this evening.  Be glad to hear your opinion. Take care. Genoeffa (talk) 00:31, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Toto Catalano
I saw KG's latest sock made an article for him, but frankly it looked lacking enough that it might as well have been completely rewritten.

I'd been looking into him a little just to verify he existed for the succession box on Joey Massino. He was apparently an underboss and a Pizza Connection defendant, so he could be notable.

Couple online refs:
 * NYP release from jail. (and BOP record)
 * NYT
 * Time magazine (date almost certainly wrong)

Also some references in Donnie Brasco: Unfinished Business, but I haven't read through the entire thing. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:30, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Sam Monaco
Hello Vic49, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Sam Monaco, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The page was created before the user was first blocked. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 19:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Freddy Massaro
Hello Vic49. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Freddy Massaro, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The page was created before the user's block. Thank you. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 19:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please note that CSD G5 only applies to pages that were created in violation of a user's block or ban. If the user wasn't blocked or banned when they created the page, then G5 doesn't apply. Best — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 19:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

FBI mafia structure chart
Was looking for a Vinny Ocean mugshot, and eventually found an FBI chart explaining the structure of a mafia family here. If you think it's useful I can upload it (if you don't have a Commons account). --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

KG's back


I thought he might have finally gotten the hint - he registered at that GangsterBB forum I'm on (even sent me a PM yelling at me) and linked to a "RealCosaNostra" Wikia he (unconvincingly denied he) started. But no.

Filed a new sock complaint. I dunno - just wait to speedy everything once it's finished? His sourcing appears to have gotten even worse. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:44, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. Thought the block would take longer. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 00:22, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

References for The Tanglewood Boys
I'm no expert but WP:SFN appears to be for articles wholly sourced from books, where this article has the vast majority of its references to web pages. So wouldn't it make sense to add the book title to the one named reference it refers to? Like I said I'm no expert. -- Patchy1 00:31, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Not sure myself but I used the SEN format for the article. One question whats "reformatting in the history section" mean could you explain. I know you didnt put up the banner but if you understand what it mean it would help. --Vic49 (talk)  23:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm I would ask Kilakk, since they put it there. It might have something to do with being a list of dates/points instead of paragraphs? I'm not sure. -- Patchy1 00:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Massino
I've made the update. I was gonna take it to FAC again soon, but I'll put it off to see if he has anything new to say on the stand. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 23:19, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Lucchese list
Beautiful. Congratulations. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 00:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Galante
Well, the cover is way too recent for copyright to have expired. You might have a FU case if there's enough sources on the picture being sensational...or something. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:14, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Frank Cali - Gambino boss?
Not sure if you heard this, but this site said that Cali got promoted.

It's been repeated in the Daily Beast and in USA Today-except-it-isn't. I'm not sure if it's worth a post. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure if that is true. The articles say the Gambino family has 700+ mobsters, and is the strongest family in the coutry. This article "America’s most powerful Mafia family active in unions: indictment" the Genovese as #1 family. Capeci didnt put a story out about Cali as New boss. He had one for Crea, and last week about Mancuso and DiFiore. Might have to wait for more news sites like times, daily news to report that Cali is boss.--Vic49 (talk)  22:46, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

The first pic looks good - just wish there was more info on it. Not sure if the second one is worth uploading though.

And actually, I can't find explicit confirmation on either being FBI in the sources. I'd wait for a bit.

Or maybe look to see if the first is in Tony DeStefano's new book. Apparently it was on his site at some point--Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 00:46, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Re: Copies of deleted articles
Cheers! ˉˉanetode╦╩ 03:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

"American Mafia (Cosa Nostra)"
I realize I put it in the Massino article's lead, but it just looks awkward. I only ever used the term "Cosa Nostra" once in the rest of that article anyway.

Looking at the work you've done on Tommy Lucchese and Steven Crea, I think I might've inadvertently set a standard for Mafia articles, and I'm not sure if it's a good one. Your opinion? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I only linked there because the Sicilian Mafia article has more info on both names.


 * And I guess Cosa Nostra has a place as the "official" name of the Mafia - it's just I thought the wording was awkward, but I can't think of anything better. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 21:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, that just makes it longer. The more I think about it "Mafia (Cosa Nostra)" sounds better. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:01, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd say just Cosa Nostra. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 22:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Luciano pic
Sorry it took me so long to look it over.

The LOC page credits the picture to Associated Press, so it's not usable under the NYWT&S donation. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 18:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Sal Vitale
So I'm thinking about working on Salvatore Vitale, and I realized I can't find anything saying when he got married. I know it happened, and that Joey Massino was the best man, but that's about it.

You know anything? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Citing Crea as boss
I just checked Mob Boss on Google Books - its "where are they now" section names Crea as the current Lucchese boss. Probably would be a good ref to suppliment Capeci's website. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 00:49, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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The three crime families of Hamilton
Hi there! I stumbled upon your user page and noticed the info you had on the three crime families of Hamilton. What are your intentions for that info? Would you make individual pages for each of the families (the Musitano crime family already has a page), or create a collective page of the three families and name it something like "The three crime families of Hamilton", or maybe you're still trying to find more info? I'd be happy to help with anything to get the info into an article as soon as possible as crime family info really lacks on Wikipedia from Canada. Thanks. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 18:55, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Organized crime
I've also made a large dent into the Italian-Canadian mob if you'd like to add stuff.
 * Luppino crime family
 * Papalia crime family
 * Johnny Papalia
 * Paul Volpe
 * Kenneth Murdock
 * expanding Musitano crime family
 * in midst of expanding Rocco Perri

Have you got any info on the Guelph Sylvestro crime family or early families like the Serianni, Scaroni, Scibetta?

Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 16:48, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Buffalo family
Hey there. I’ve noticed you added some info to your user page about the Buffalo crime family and Hamilton families such as pertaining to the Luppino crime family. There’s been a user adding recent info to the Buffalo page, but from blogs and possibly some unreliable sources. Is aboutthemafia and cosanostranews really reliable sources? For example Joe Viola the underboss of the Canadian faction; there aren’t really any other sources that support this. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 15:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, I just came across the information from that website and was going to do more research before posting any of that information. I want to clean up the Buffalo article needs more references. The Hamilton families are considered part of the Buffalo crime family before the family war and some members are still connected to the Buffalo family. Vic49  (talk)  15:59, 14 January 2018 (UTC) )

Frank Valenti
Hi. Sorry for getting back to you so late, I've been occupied with a few things. Yes Frank Valenti was a boss, or at the minimum he was a higher up. I've not looked into it with a huge amount of care but I can. I did have some sources claiming that he was a boss, finding them again won't be a problem. In the meantime I would suggest editing the Frank Valenti page as it claims he was a boss from 1964 to 1972. ThePlane11 (talk) 17:48, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

List of past Lucchese crime family mobsters
Just letting you know that I've performed some very simple merges, as agreed, of Peter Chiodo, Christopher Furnari and Salvatore Santoro to List of past Lucchese crime family mobsters. However, feel free to amend/correct/trim (of course) in situ. Klbrain (talk) 04:32, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you. --Vic49 (talk)  14:36, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Categories in mobster redirects
In this edit, you again remove all categories in the redirect, eliminating any meaningful means of navigating to the article. Your edit summary points to a broken link, but when I found the intended page I see no consensus that would forbid the redirects from having categories. Am I missing something? Alansohn (talk) 23:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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Philadelphia crime family
Hi Vic. I've been having a dispute about the "current membership" section at the Philadelphia crime family, where a user edit warred by completely removing the section citing BLP issues, and now the page is fully protected for five days. I know you have worked on the section, and although the sourcing is pretty good, it could use improving. One example is for Lancelotti. I have added the section to my sandbox where I will try and improve it enough for article space. I am asking for your help to get it there. Feel free to edit that page. Thanks, <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 04:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I will try and help. --Vic49 (talk)  00:20, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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I rewrote the the information. Please review.


 * In December 2004, Bergen County Prosecutor arrested dozens of mobsters including Joseph "The Eagle" Gatto for operating illegal sports betting with ties to offshore wire rooms in Costa Rica. The indictment identified Joseph "The Eagle" Gatto as a soldier in the Genovese family, who was in control of father Louis "Streaky" Gatto's old number rackets. According to the New Jersey authorities the Genovese crime family operates in New Jersey with three captains. The three capo's identified were Angelo M. Prisco a capo who controlled Jersey City and Bayonne waterfront, Ludwig "Ninny" Bruschi a capo who controlled rackets in Northern New Jersey and Silvio Devita the capo who controlled the family's rackets in the Newark area.

Thank you --Vic49 (talk)  19:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The final sentence is identical to what I already removed once.— Diannaa (talk) 19:59, 3 April 2021 (UTC)



I will replace the last sentence with the following.


 * Authorities identified the three captains who were operating from Northern and Central Jersey as Angelo M. Prisco, Ludwig Bruschi and Silvio Devita. It was also stated by New Jersey authorities that the Genovese family was the most powerful and most active Mafia family in the State.

--Vic49 (talk)  14:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That version is okay from a copyright point of view.— Diannaa (talk) 14:17, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks--Vic49 (talk)  14:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

DeCavalcante crime family page
For the DeCavalcante family page, the street boss was not Guarraci, but Joe “Red” or “Milk” Merlo, his position was confirmed by Giovanni Rocco the undercover agent and by Douglas Schofield the co-author, and the description of Milk is the one of Merlo. Dave09811 (talk) 18:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Which page is Joe "Red/"Milk" Merlo identified in the book as Street boss?--Vic49 (talk)  19:29, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Lucchese family edits
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Photos from Gangsterbb.com and The Black Hand Forum, two organised crime based websites. How do I specifically upload photos?

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