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The Accomplisht Cook
Hi VickKiang,

I see you are very new to Wikipedia, welcome.

I'm an experienced Good Article author, and reviewer for that matter. At the very least, I'd like a chance to reply to your comments on the article, so we can discuss any issues and I can address them, which I generally do very quickly (especially in a backlog drive!). So I'd be pleased if you could undo the instant-fail and let us work on the article together. There is no technical issue with that, you simply need to undo your last edit(s) on the article's talk page, and continue with the review. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Other accounts
What other accounts have you had on Wikipedia?--Bbb23 (talk) 21:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Used to edit from IP address primarily- VickKiang (talk) 21:37, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * primarily? But you also edited from another registered account?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also had an account on another wiki, although that was several years ago- VickKiang (talk) 22:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Regional English
Hi Vick, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your edits. I wanted to let you know that I've reverted the edit you made on Hearts when you changed "probably" to "likely" because, when used in that sense, "likely" is an American term not used in that way elsewhere. Wikipedia generally prefers universal English terms where possible. Where it is not practical to avoid the use of regional terms, articles should be left in the version of English they were written in. The exception is where an article is specifically related to a given region when it clearly makes sense for it to use the English version of that region. The policy on all this is at WP:ENGVAR. Hope that helps. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for my mistake and thanks for your reply- VickKiang (talk) 20:00, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

GOCE request
Hi VickKiang, welcome to Wikipedia. I'm a project coordinator the the Guild of Copy Editors. Regarding your copy-edit (c/e) request here, did you mean to request a c/e for Scythe (board game), which you have worked on, rather than Scythe, which you haven't? If so, feel free to swap out the request; if not, no problem. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  08:47, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes. Apologies for the mistake- VickKiang (talk) 09:06, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize, we all make mistakes. :) Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  12:03, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Scythe (digital edition) has been accepted
 Scythe (digital edition), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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A tip on warnings
Editors can remove warnings from their own talk pages, it's taken as an indication that they've read them. You shouldn't revert an editor removing notices from their talk page unless it's one of the few exceptions at WP:OWNTALK. Cheers! Schazjmd  (talk)  00:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Apologies and thanks for your notes. VickKiang (talk) 00:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jack hill (footballer,born 2003)


A tag has been placed on Jack hill (footballer,born 2003) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  03:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your notice! I did not create the page, instead, I tried to move the page into the draft that was created by Ethannash23618, but thought incorrectly that the (born 2003) tag should be removed. Apologies for my errors, I have drafted and nominated them for deletion myself. Many thanks. VickKiang (talk) 03:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just was using Twinkle, it automatically notifies the creator of the existing page that was nominated, and technically you created the redirect. Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  03:49, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Draftifying articles
Hello, VickKiang,

After you move a page from main space to Draft space, please tag the original page for speedy deletion, CSD R2, so admins can delete it. Without tagging, the pages can be present without admins seeing them. Tagging pages for deletion is really made easy if you use Twinkle, an editing tool that most administrators and many editors use to tag pages. It has a lot of helpful features including posting notifications for you once you set up your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify Page Creator" and maintaining logs of pages that you have tagged. I highly recommend it. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 02:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, will do next time. VickKiang (talk) 02:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Your GOCE request
Hi there. I wanted to let you know that I have completed your Guild of Copy Editors request for Scythe (board game). Some areas may need to be looked at again, particularly the podcast references, as I do not have access to the original and am taking a best guess at what you intended. A few remaining notes, should you choose to take this to GAN: Thank you for your patience as I dealt with my disease, and I hope you are satisfied with the results. —  Ghost River  00:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There are two places where either a citation is needed or a better source is needed. These will need to be remedied.
 * That it is a Eurogame should likely be noted in the lede. See Settlers of Catan for an example.
 * At present, I have standardized all of the date formats in the reflist, whereas before they were a mix of traditional MDY and YYYY-MM-DD. If you add more references to the article, please choose one standard format.
 * Additionally, whenever possible, all references should include authors and date of publication. Most did, but some had to be added.

Barnstar for excellent edits
Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 11:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Celia Paquola
Hi VickKiang. I didn't realise the Daily Mail was a deprecated source. Thanks for reverting my edit. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 06:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

RfC on Talk:Joe Biden
By "discussion" I don't mean consensus; I mean discussed in the article, Presidency of Joe Biden, which states "Biden received increasingly harsh criticism from both Republicans and Democrats in the US Congress, with Republicans calling for his resignation or for his impeachment." Nythar (talk) 07:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks! VickKiang (talk) 07:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you closed the RfC at Talk:Joe Biden. You said there's a clear consensus that it's undue. I think you should remove that part because the discussion was never big enough to produce a clear consensus. Just saying your withdrawing the discussion. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Arche Nova
The page Arche Nova has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done for the following reason:

"G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page"

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, or you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Jay (talk) 10:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Fun page to watchlist
You may be interested in WikiProject Deletion sorting/Games. Also, WikiProject Games/Article alerts. Have fun! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:42, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

NHL Network Showcase moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, NHL Network Showcase, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Liz Read! Talk! 02:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, agree with your assessment. I believe this was initially created by another user (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NHL_Network_Showcase&action=edit&redlink=1). Apologies for the confusion. VickKiang (talk) 03:01, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Talk Related to "Saksham Digra"
I see that you were angry on my edit to Saksham Digra so i was trying to convince you that Saksham Digra has worked as a music producer in a movie named Karsandas Pay & Use and that,s reliable source and confirms notability and i did all those edits because it was suggested to me to edit as it was under my interest. Hsb66789 (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I had removed your unsourced update at Karsandas Pay & Use, and now I have removed your sourced update, because you provided the homepage of hungama.com and there is nothing about him there. Jay (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

If you consider my edit to be “angry”, I apologize, I only felt that the article is not notable to be a stand-alone one. I am unsure that my wording resulted in you to feel that way, but if so, sorry for the inconvenience. But I’m still unsure on the notability. Where can you find that he was a music producer? Also, apologies if this does not apply to you, but do you have a conflict of interest for Saksham Digra? If not, sorry for my mistake, and happy editing! and thanks again for contributing to WP! Also, I might have replied to someone else, if so sorry. VickKiang (talk) 11:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Question on RSN
Hi, hope you are doing well. I saw that you closed one of the RSN requests. Can you please how this process works? I think this RSN should be reviewed and closed with verdict if it is reliable for the proposed context or not, but I am not sure how it works. Thanks in advance! Abrvagl (talk) 03:56, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * In RfC (request for comments), a verdict would be needed. I don't think that you had an RfC format, so IMO a closing with verdict won't be needed, but I believe that the consensus is that the source is marginally reliable and perhaps generally unreliable as it is quite biased. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 07:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt response! I don't want to take up too much of your time, but I wanted to clarify: is a verdict for the case I raised not necessary or impossible? There is a ongoing dispute, where I believe other editor still not convinced that the source is marginally reliable. Verdict would clear things up and save everyone time. Thanks! Abrvagl (talk) 10:15, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries at all. IMO the vote indicates two editors voting unreliable, another saying it’s very biased, and two agreeing that it is reliable. It’s definitely generally unreliable for contentious claims, but marginally reliable for info about itself right now as the discussion seems be split, if you wish to use this source, I would recommend considering its bias, using it carefully for ordinary (not special claims) and finding better secondary sources if possible. Government refs are probably reliable enough to use, with attribution, for its own opinion, but make sure that the information is of due weight. VickKiang (talk) 11:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Twoset Violin sources
Norman Lebrecht's Slipped Disc blog isn't really unreliable per WP:NEWSBLOG, and in the case of, he reposted the video and made his comment about it. But if you see any more primaries then please discuss at the talk page and see if there are alternative sources that can replace them. It was pretty hard when their videos did not get much coverage, but even now, the 2 mil and 3 mil videos have secondary coverage. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark  •  sniff ) 06:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments! Twoset is a popular violin channel, and it's great that you cleaned up the article to C class! Refs 2, 9, 33 are self-published, though:

"Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field."

Ref 2 feels okay as it is a very basic info, and 9 is also of question, and a better ref is probably needed but it is barely all right. The same is for ref 33, but I am unsure on that the event is notable enough. Other refs are reliable enough, but school events are very routine, and do you think it's notable enough to be mentioned? If you have any more comments, please discuss in the article's talk page, and many thanks for your work on this article about this violinist duo! VickKiang (talk) 07:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Medical Advantage company
Hello VickKiang, I don't understand why you removed the page I created for Medical Advantage. I thought Wikipedia wants pages for bona fide companies. I created the Levenger company page 11 years ago, and it is still live here on Wikipedia. This doesn't make sense that you removed the Medical Advantage page so quickly. Wikipedia already has a bad reputation for being unfair, so you shouldn't have done that. At least let me edit it as you see fit. Grattan33 (talk) 04:24, 3 July 2022 (UTC) grattan33 Grattan33 (talk) 04:24, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Grattan33, thanks for your contributions! I did a Speedy Delete (CSD) under criteria G11 (advertisement), because it's like an advertisement. and it doesn't follow NPOV. The admin Athaenara deleted it, though you're welcome to create a better draft that is neutral. The Levenger Company article doesn't really always follow NPOV, but isn't an "unambiguous advertisement or promotion", as the there are all right sections. Otherwise, happy editing! VickKiang (talk) 04:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Summoner Wars (Second Edition) page concern
Hi. I took the freedom to leave a message regarding the subjected page move. The move is not proper as the refs are not suitable for notability. The refs are commercial. Hence, I request you to move to draft space. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 08:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What is the line that "the refs are commercial"? The cited refs include Dicebreaker and IGN, both considered RS, and Tabletop Gaming is also all right. Also, is this a test edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Summoner_Wars_(Second_Edition)&diff=1096557503&oldid=1096557459&diffmode=source)? If you feel that it shouldn't be in mainspace, feel free to nominate for AfD. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 08:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @VickKiang please revert back to draft. AfD is not my intention. I'm working to improve, not to delete. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 11:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not convinced. Why do you think this doesn't meet GNG? The three refs are reliable per my previous link. See also here. This article requires improvement, but I think it meets GNG, if this is at an AfD I will vote weak keep or keep, so could you explain why this need to be drafitified- I am open to all options, but the only one you purposed is "the refs are commercial", but IGN and Dicebreaker, while not the most insightful, are easily RS. VickKiang (talk) 11:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * VickKiang Kindly recall WP:BURDEN. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 11:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean this? The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. Where do you think a ref is missing- probably for the 2021 Gen Con Tournament, which is only a primary ref and you can rm yourself- yes, some are weak, but WP:NOTABILITY is met. IMO further discussions could be at article talk page. Rules handle the Gameplay section, the Reception is also okay. If we continue to disagree, I might ask another other experienced editors at BTG, but I think we're covering notability issues, where do you think the article's OR, NPOV or verifiability is flawed that it shouldn't be a mainspace one? Please also reply to this comment on why you don't feel the article is notable, otherwise, many thanks for participating and trying to help with this article! VickKiang (talk) 11:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * VickKiang The refs 3,5,6,7,8 are suitable, but not the rest as 1,2,4 are advertisements. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 02:25, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Why are they ads? Ref 2 and 4 are so, but the official website are fine for basic gameplay details, I removed them. But there is consensus that ref 1 is RS (RS), where did you get that it's sponsored? IMO it meets notability, three or four refs count towards GNG, what does WP:BURDEN affect this article and if it should be draftified? Many thanks for improving this article! VickKiang (talk) 02:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @VickKiang ref 2 and 3 are primary sources. And ref 1 is advertisement because it is dependent on the primary source's blog. Primary sources can be used for notes or Official website section, but not in the References. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 02:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is it a primary source? In the discussion listed:

Appears generally reliable in it's topic area to me. Professional editing staff. Not clear that the review scores themselves are relevant, but for news in the space and descriptions of the games themselves, certainly appears on it's face to be reliable.

Yeah, like I said, it looks like it is useful for things like reviews (which is not subject to reliability concerns anyways, only establishing that the person whose opinion you are citing is recognized as worthy of listening to their opinion) and rather banal information like the names of game designers, release dates, gameplay mechanics (which can also be sourced to the game itself), etc.

I believe there's consensus that it is generally reliable, not a primary source (it is an analysis of the primary source) if you disagree about the consensus, we should go to RSN. Otherwise, I don't think this discussion on my talk page is that helpful, a third opinion is needed if we continue to disagree. Thanks. VickKiang (talk) 02:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * VickKiang why you have skipped this para of the ref 1 link content On publisher Plaid Hat Games’ blog, it was announced that Summoner Wars: Second Edition would be releasing in May, with pre-orders available now.? Please note that, I have cleared that my intention here is not to delete but to improve unless a bias like D. B. S. Jeyaraj. I mostly keep citings. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 02:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It cites a publisher's blog, yes, but even a publisher blog can be used for mundane details about themselves, see Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, and did you read the site's editorial policies? The consensus is that it's generally reliable for mundane details, and the blog isn't the only source that's used there. Do you think that merely the release of a game is a highly controversial, exceptional claim? VickKiang (talk) 03:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * By the way, I am probably more of a deletionist than not, but the refs used are suitable IMO for such a basic detail. I am unsure that why you consider the article to be an unreliable ad, could you explain? You consider that I haven't read the article well, but did you read the previous lines from the RSN noticeboard- basic news details and release dates in this site are reliable, which includes this one? If you view this as unreliable, then what in your opinion constitute a reliable ref for BTG articles? I don't think you have replied to these. Many thanks for your help! VickKiang (talk) 03:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * VickKiang yes I do. Do you think that merely the release of a game is a highly controversial, exceptional claim? as the para connects link to the primary source's blog. Moreover, I don't want arguments here. I am here to citing and editing, not for other issues. I have edited a couple spelling. If your opinion is viable, let's end it here and shall try to improve the article. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 03:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * C/e is welcomed, but please don't do test edits on the article for Summoner Wars. I will start a discussion at the BTG WikiProject. Unfortunately, I still disagree with your view, but that's all right, disagreements are normal and helpful to an extent. Again. many thanks for your contributions and helping to improve the article, happy editing! VickKiang (talk) 03:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * hi again. Please do not drag me into controversies as I was blocked in March with restriction up to 7 September. I replied there as you tagged me. But can't go for more as 2 Administrators are there to observe my edits everyday. About Review policy page, that's their website, they can write whatever makes them safe. Sorry I can't land more in those discussions. Hope you will understand my situation. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 04:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies if I resulted in any controversies, while we disagree, I absolutely believe that you are a good faith editor now, and thanks for actively improving this article. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 04:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

COI Unidrax
There is no conflict of interest. Corruptlaughs (talk) 01:33, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, if so, please remember to follow the NPOV guidelines instead of writing an ad-like draft. I will post a welcome soon on your talk page, many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Xiol (Archaeological Site) (July 10)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Johannes Maximilian was:

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Mistake
Made a mistake here, rm XfD closer and rv my silly edit, apologies! Another one here, see Talk:Niagara (board game)VickKiang (talk) 10:07, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

2O
I just prodded Dungeoneer (game). Perhaps you'd like to rescue this, or if not, there's the Template:Prod2 you can use. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:59, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

GAN
VickKiang, have you forgotten you are reviewing Resplendent quetzal? You seem to be editing actively in other areas, so I just wondered. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:15, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Apologies for this error! I don’t know why I keep forget to come back to this GA talk, and I definitely need to do much work with this. Apologies for this neglect, I will try to continue reviewing. VickKiang (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Remind
pinging myself to remind on reviewing GA. Thanks ! VickKiang (talk) 11:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Reverting edit
I have explained why I removed the content on Harry Lambert page 92.80.154.227 (talk) 06:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you revert back the edit? There is synthesis of published material and some sources linked don't even mention Lambert directly. 92.80.154.227 (talk) 07:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies, but I disagree. It's synthesis-like, but a lot of refs, such as this, still refer Harry Lambert somewhat. Yes, it's way too long and unencyclopedic, but IMO c/e and selectively summarising is better than just rm all content, which is like content removal or disruptive editing to some other editors. Discuss more in that's talk page, thanks! VickKiang (talk) 07:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

August 2022
Hello, I'm VickKiang. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. ''Self-warning as I'd opened a couple of usernames, but accidentally reported the wrong person. I realised this, but another bot already had already rv it. During the days before August 4th, Wikistress increased for me, which resulted in this error. I considered retiring but failed horribly (I'd realise that I can't retire for now)... so am warning myself, though I'm still semi-retired.'' VickKiang (talk) 08:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Don't retire :)
I've just noticed your commented about retiring at WTBG. If there is anything I can help you with on-wiki, please don't hesitate to ask. It is always a pleasure to find some other active wiki editors interested in similar things; I'd hate to see you go. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for your kind comments and awarding of the barnstar! I probably won't be active in mainspace at least for the next few days, but won't be fully retired, as sometimes I still want to edit. Tomorrow I might have a look at newer Game-related AfDs... if I've time, but thanks again! VickKiang (talk) 11:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Scythe (board game)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Scythe (board game) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 15:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Scythe (board game)
The article Scythe (board game) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Scythe (board game) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 11:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pass! VickKiang (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
At some point Vick you have to let them have the last word, as fallacious and full of holes they are, and let everyone read it for themselves. Andre🚐 01:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. VickKiang (talk) 02:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Your attention needed
This page has been created after the draft declined here. Please do as per your capacity. -✍NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯  07:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've drafitified via script, as I'm not a page mover or AfC creator, probably can't do much more, see Draft:Ransi gaon (village), but thanks for the heads up:) VickKiang (talk) 09:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Ransi gaon
https://censusindia.gov.in/nada/index.php/catalog/23434 is reference. MahendraPrajapatKhejarla (talk) 12:05, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

You can check MahendraPrajapatKhejarla (talk) 12:06, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend you add the ref and submit to AfC, many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 21:57, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

New page reviewer granted
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Made a horrible mistake, trying to copy a redirect template from Just Stupid! to an UFO article (it's easier than searching for the original template page, which isn't in my page history), ended up with changing the redirect to Just Stupid! instead, fixed now, but I didn't read the preview... VickKiang (talk) 09:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Daku Kali Bhawani
Thanks for your vote here. Was wondering if Daku Maharani is notable. This source mentions the film three times, two in passing mentions. Finding films for low-key films are hard and 3 is better than 1 (Daku Kali Bhawani is only mentioned once). Do you think the film is notable (btw, did not do a WP:BEFORE yet). DareshMohan (talk) 05:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I couldn't find significant RS per a WP:BEFORE search, there are books with one mentions, so the film seems less than notable. I see that you've changed your vote, though, has rescued lots of subpar articles before, so I've asked a ping from that editor if sources are found. Thanks! VickKiang 07:10, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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Billboard signature
Hey, you may want to read WP:BILLBOARD, as I think your new signature runs afoul of it a bit. It's an essay, and I actually don't agree with it as blanket advice, but in the case of your current signature the brightness is quite jarring (take it from someone whose signature looked like this for far too long) signed,Rosguill talk 22:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! How about this?  VickKiang  22:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that looks nice signed,Rosguill talk 22:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Night in the Lonesome October
What is the actual point of bothering to put work into creating content for this website when you clearly don't want people to do that? My article for Night in the Lonesome October by Richard Laymon was a stub, but it was carefully researched and contained a reference, more than enough for someone to build on. To just delete all that careful work without even warning me just shows how much contempt this website has for its userbase. No wonder you're haemorrhaging money and having to beg for donations. JH 30 1991 (talk) 11:52, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I missed one of the Proquest reviews. Now, with two refs, IMHO notability is borderline. However, the statements you stated were inaccurate. without even warning me just shows how much contempt this website has for its userbase- a) I'm too a user (see WP:NPP), b) I left you a message with suggestions before converting the redirect, informing you about the notability guidelines. But you might be confusing me with the Wikimedia Foundation staff member- To just delete all that careful work without even warning me just shows how much contempt this website has for its userbase. No wonder you're haemorrhaging money and having to beg for donations- I am neither a staff member nor an admin, only the later can actually delete pages.  VickKiang   (talk)  20:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Re: the closure
Tbh, I spent a few minutes thinking about how to respond to that. I'd feel a bit dirty for outright thanking you for preemptively endorsing my closure (feels too conspiratory), but I do feel it's important to tell you that I'm grateful for the sentiment of support. God bless! —Compassionate727 (T·C) 01:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Notability of films
There is an established consensus that a film with at least two non trivial references is considered notable. With some extra effort it is often possible to add more references or a plot summary to improve the article. Inwind (talk) 08:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You assume I don't know WP:NFILM, but where does it constitute that there are at least two non trivial references which are also RS? Also, I'm could you do better than WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES? Besides, your statement is inaccurate and fails to well summarise the criteria- The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. I had no luck other than finding 1 2, which are likely unreliable, could you please provide the refs per WP:BURDEN? Update: Notability is still borderline, but I've removed the WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES question. Thanks!  VickKiang  (talk)  21:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Being an inclusionist myself I am not happy about the deletionist approach that any article which is not well sourced has to be deleted. I am always happy to support other wwikipedians by improving articles if possible. With a quick google search I found another reference from Corriere della Sera for Agadah. I presume that you are happy now, that the artice is properly referenced. Inwind (talk) 14:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your reply, however for I am not happy about the deletionist approach that any article which is not well sourced has to be deleted- I dislike your calling that I am a "deletionist". Unfortunately, my search apparently only found this from a similar website, so I asked you in the talk page as you're likely more familiar with the subject matter. I presume that you are happy now, that the artice is properly referenced- Again, IMHO the properly referenced is open to interpretation- do you mean verifiable or notable? I'd have no issues to mark an article as reviewed as long as it clearly passes notability. Right now, the two reviews IMO guarantee borderline notability, please also see the two reviews I linked above which are non-reliable (second one has the "blog" in the URL). However, I still appreciate your work in creating and improving articles, despite my disagreements with notability. Should we discuss further, let's go to the article's talk page instead of my UTP. Many thanks for your help, and best!  VickKiang  (talk)  20:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Mistake
Made a mistake with moving List of British DJs to draft- after the mainspace redirect is R2ed will move it back.  VickKiang  (talk)  04:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Apologies, was there anything I did wrong? Many thanks!  VickKiang  (talk)  22:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * That was my bad. I must have clicked 'review' just a second after you did which marked it as unreviewed. <b style="color:white">Waddles</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b>

Speedy deletion nomination of Snihurivka
The blanking was an act of vandalism. Xx236 (talk) 06:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, are you referring to this? I wrongly assumed the editor requested G7 through blanking, but it was removed by another IP fortunately. I've marked the redirect as reviewed a while ago. Many thanks!  VickKiang  (talk)  06:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

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https://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5338/ – might want to check to make sure it's not the same or part of it. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 03:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, but I think that's referring to Museum of the Mausoleum of the Nanyue King. See 1, 2. I don't think they are exactly the same place, though I might be wrong. Thanks again for the notification!  VickKiang  (talk)  03:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * About the other site- this and this doesn't look like the same place (correct me if I'm wrong), thanks!  VickKiang  (talk)  03:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Updating that has found a couple of decent sources, if you found more refs as well please share it at the AfD. Many thanks!  VickKiang   (talk)  06:02, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 13:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)