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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XIX - December 2007
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WikiProject Novels template
Hi, thanks for you message. It wasn't my idea to restructure the references and allusions section the way it is previously it had more focus on the more clear cut idea of "references". They are more definite and verifiable. A change to more emphasis references and minimising the importance of allusions would be welcome. I don't agree however that they are "trivia". Also the template should make plain that the emphasis of article content is not implied by "numbers of headings" suggested in the template or discussion of these in the template. The plot element of the template is as much a reaction to the practice of many to write wholly "plot" for novel articles. It aims to give some guidance in this area rather than just leave it alone and let editor's just write screeds. At least that was the aim. We need to talk up the "real world" elements, commercial success, authorial background, literary reception and criticism, and so on. :: Kevinalewis  : (Talk Page) /(Desk)  09:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XX - January 2008
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reply to your comment on my Edit on Slaughterhouse-Five
Thanks for your comment. I actually removed the two edits that user had made ( sorry I failed to make that clear in my justification). The second edit he did was to correct his first edit; BUT this first change was some nonsense about a hidden message contained in a previous users entry and it was this I removed. Brian R Hunter (talk) 22:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Deronda
Please see response to your questions on Discussion page for this article.Thanks! ThePeg (talk) 00:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

19th-century novels task force
Hi,. I'm starting up a 19th-century novels task force for WP:NOVELS. This would cover the works of many well-known authors, including Jane Austen, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, Victor Hugo and Leo Tolstoy. If you think you'd be interested in supporting or participating in the task force, please let me know. Cheers. – Liveste [ talk • contrib] 10:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The 19th century task force on WikiProject Novels is now up and running! Feel free to add your name to the list of participants and check out the list of tasks. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Novels Collaboration of the Month
You supported Rabbit, Run, which has been selected as the Novels WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article towards featured article standard. :: Kevinalewis  : (Talk Page) /(Desk)  16:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXI - February 2008
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the Hobbit Peer review
Thank you for responding to the Hobbit Peer Review, which has now closed - as the only non-automated editor to add anything at all I thought it I should thank you for your valuable input. I'll continue to hunt down the works you listed and integrate them with the article. Davémon (talk) 09:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXII - March 2008
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WikiProject Novels - 1st Coordinators Election
An election has been proposed and has been set up for this project. Description of the roles etc., can be found at WikiProject Novels/Coordinators. If you wish to stand, enter your candidacy before the end of March and ask your questions of anyone already standing at WikiProject Novels/Coordinators/May 2008. Voting will start on the 1st April and close at the end of April. The intention is for the appointments to last from May - November 2008. For other details check out the pages or ask. KevinalewisBot (talk) 14:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Middlemarch
Hi, Victorianist. Progress on the Middlemarch article has stalled somewhat, and I was wondering if you were interested in rewriting the plot summary again. User:Brianboulton seems interested in helping out, too. I'll come along as well once I get another copy of the book. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 23:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries, Victorianist ... I wish I was that busy. Cheers again :) – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For the benefit of recent Middlemarch editors I've left some ideas about the article's future development on the talkpage and would be interested, if you have time, to have your opinion. Brianboulton (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Re recent "original research" tag, the Middlemarch article is undergoing a slow transformation. Nothing below the plot outline belongs to the revised article, which is being developed along lines indicated on the discussion page. It is anticipated that eventually all the later sections will be revised or replaced, but this is likely to be a slow process, and the article will exist in hybrid form for some while yet. Brianboulton (talk) 18:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * See my comments on the discussion page (which just got posted now for some reason). I just checked in on it today and found that section with no citations.  I understand that it's a work in progress, but a casual user checking in might take that information as part of a serious discussion of the novel, which it doesn't seem to be. I think we could safely move it to the discussion page, but I wanted to give the original writer a chance to link the comments to some scholarly work on the novel.  Victorianist (talk) 20:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIII - April 2008
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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIV - May 2008
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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXV - June 2008
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George Eliot and Kabbalah
Hi Victorianist! Sorry its taken me so long but I have just posted this on the DANIEL DERONDA Discussion Page in answer to your request about where George Eliot explicitly mentions Kabbalah in the novel:

"Here is the explicit reference to Kabbalah in the text. Its from the OUP edition (ISBN 0192817876) page 406 Chapter 38 in the section entitled 'Mordecai'. Top of the page:

"hence it was that his imagination had constructed another man who would be something more ample than the second soul bestowed, according to the tradition of the Cabbalists (sic), to help out the insufficient first - who would be a blooming human life, ready to incorporate all that was worthiest in an existence whose visible, palpable part was burning itself fast away."

Then on page 427 Mordecai talks about himself in terms of the Gilgul, or Cycle of Lives (Reinicarnation), a Kabbalistic tenet of Kabbalah:

"It was the soul fully born within me, and it came in my boyhood. It brought its own world - a medieval world, where there were men who had made the ancient language live again in new psalms of exile. They had absorbed the philosophy of the Gentile into the faith of the Jew, and they still yearned toward a centre for our race. One of their souls was born again within me, and awaked amid the memories of their world. It travelled into Spain and Provence; it debated with Aben-Ezra; it took ship with Jeduda ha-Levi; it heard the roar of the Crusaders and the shreiks of tortured Israel. And when its dumb tongue was loosed, it spoke the speech they had made alive with the blood of their ardour, their sorrow, and they martyred trust: it sand with the cadence of their strain... ... While it is imprisoned in me, it will never learn another."

Spain and Provence were major centres of Kabbalah, the famous School of Provence being the first to print a book on the subject, the Bahir (Book of Illumination). Whether Eliot believed in these ideas or whether she was inspired by them in a poetic/conceptual sense is up for debate but the ideas are there, and are hinted at elsewhere too. For instance, the name Kalonymos, which is given to the character who helps Deronda once he has understood who he is, is the name of a major Kabbalist from Spain (in Catalonia I believe). There's no reason to suppose Eliot may not have heard or read about all this through her friendship with Immanuel Deutsch. ThePeg (talk) 12:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)"

Thanks for your patience! Hope it enhances your view of the book! ThePeg (talk) 12:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Calling all active WP:NOVELS members
 WikiProject Novels Roll Call WikiProject Novels is currently holding a roll call, which we hope to have annually. Your username is listed on the members list, but we are unsure as to which editors are still active within the project. If you still consider yourself an active WP:Novels editor, please add your name back to the Active Members list. Also feel free to join any of our task forces and take a look at the project's Job Centre to get involved!

Next month we will begin the coordinator election selection process. We hope to have more involvement and input this time around! More news will be forthcoming. Thanks, everyone! María ( habla con migo ) 14:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Novels - Coordinator Election
Good Evening. I imagine none of the seven of you who will be getting this identical message will really know who I am, so I'll briefly fill you in. I joined the project four months ago, and recently I took up the role of writing the newsletter with help and mentoring from The Ed17. Between us we decided - in an attempt to revitalise the Project - that a Coordinator Election could get people interested. So, the point of this. An election has been set up, and in an attempt to modernise it, it will be a bit shorter and possibly sweeter - one week to sign up, three weeks voting.

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WikiProject Novels - Coordinator Election
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Coordinator Election
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The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - July 2009
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WikiProject Novels - August 2009 Newsletter
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New WikiProject Novels initiative
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WikiProject Novels Collaboration for February
Thank you everyone who participated in the January Collaboration, it was quite a success with 5 new C class articles, 3 stub kills and several articles were removed from our backlogs. In support of the Great Backlog Drive, the WikiProject Novels Collaboration for February is going to help remove backlog candidates in the backlogs related to WikiProject Novels. Please join us, and help us wikify, reference, clean up plot sections and generally improve Novels content, Sadads (talk) 21:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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Truman Capote Award for Literary Criticism
Do you have a source for your post adding Mark McGurl as the 2011 winner? I can't find it at the Iowa Center for the Book website or elsewhere on-line. Thanks.--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It'll be announced shortly. You can remove it, if you like, but it's official. Victorianist (talk) 05:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You may be correct, but under WP:BLP assertions like these are supposed to be backed up by reliable sources. In the absence of any verification, I think Wikipedia policy requires us to remove this; I'll certainly be happy to see it restored as soon as there's any confirmation.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it makes more sense to use the "citation needed" link as we await the official public announcement to arrive on the internet. But everyone in the English Department at UCLA knows, and I think outside the department as well. I think it's a little bit pedantic to limit the citation to just stuff published online. If you really need confirmation, why don't you call the Iowa people? I can't believe it's really that pressing to wait for an official announcement for this article when there are, oh, a million or so other articles that have factual errors in them. To each his own.