User talk:Viki3000

Welcome!
Hello,, Welcome  to Wikipedia! '''I hope you like working here and want to continue. If you need help on how to name new articles, look at the Guide to Layout, and for help on formatting the pages visit the Manual of Style. If you need general help, look at Help and the FAQ, and if you can't find your answer there, check the Village Pump (for Wikipedia related questions) or the Reference Desk (for general questions). There's still more help at the Tutorial and the Policy Library. Also, don't forget to visit the Community Portal &mdash; and if you have any more questions after that, feel free to post them on my New-Users' Talk Page.'''

Additional tips:
 * Here are some extra tips to help you get around Wikipedia:
 * If you want to play around with your new Wiki skills, try the Sandbox.
 * Click on the Edit button on a page, and look at how other editors did what they did.
 * Always give a short explanation of your edits in the edit-summary box.
 * You can sign your name using four tildes, like this: &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;. Always sign comments on Talk pages, never sign Articles.
 * You might want to add yourself to the New User Log
 * If your first language isn't English, try Contributing to articles outside your native language
 * Full details on Wikipedia style can be found in the Manual of Style.

Happy editing! --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Some problems and advice
Thank you for joining us to edit, and we appreciate your enthusiasm. You need, though, to make sure that you've read at least some of our policies and guidelines before making large-scale edits (I've included some useful links above), to make sure that your edits use correct punctuation, spacing, capitalisation, grammar, etc., to explain what you're doing (in an edit summary and possibly on the article's Talk page), and to give citations for any claim that you add. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to leave a message at my talk page. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Naidu
Your edits not only introduced grammatical problems, but changed the article from clear Wikipedia style to unclear, rather messy, non-Wikipedia style. Remember that your edits are seen immediately by readers &mdash; which could be hundreds or even thousands of people. If you want to edit in stages, why not edit off-line, on your own computer, and then add the changes when you're completely happy with the result? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The initial mistake in thinking that you were simply vandalising the article was mine, as I'd missed your message to me which went to the wrong page (also my fault), and so I'll overlook your latest message. However, you need to realise that your edits to Naidu, now that you know the problem, can only be classed as disruptive at best, vandalism at worst.  You need to look at how a Wikipedia article should be presented (check the links I left for you above), and then see how to introduce the changes that you want to without destroying the correct format (as well as giving adequate citations).
 * I hope that you'll be willing to learn to edit in accordance with our guidelines; editing here can be interesting and pleasurable &mdash; but if you carry on trying to edit in defiance of our policies and guidelines, it will be neither. As I said, feel free to ask me if you have any queries, or if there's anything that you don't understand, but don't keep insisting on your edit to Naidu; it could lead to your being blocked from editing, and I don't want to do that. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Your message
Thanks for your message. The problem is that, while an article might need improvement, that doesn't mean that any change to it is welcome. It's important, for example, not to remove Wikipedia style, not to introduce new claims with no sources, not to add material that's severely wrongly formatted, etc. The first and last of these, other editors can tidy up (though you shouldn't make them do so if you can help it), but not the second. I keep offering help and advice, and have given you links to some of our pages that give guidelines, help, etc. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

en.wikipedia.org
As you admit in your comments to Mel's page, you have difficulty in English. I suggest you stop editing until you are proficient in English, or have a capable person check your edits before you enter them. Although I understand the basics of several languages, I wouldn't presume to edit wikis in those languages. 76.186.106.159 02:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is my business, as much as it is yours. If you cannot make quality edits, you shouldn't be here. Signed 76.186.106.159 00:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Attempt at peace
While the anonymous editor is right that, because English is obviously not your first language, you make a lot of mistakes, that's not a huge problem here. We don't insist that everyone who edits does so perfectly. There are plenty of editors around who will clean up syntax, spelling, etc. (though it's important to try to keep the need for that to a minimum by checking what you've written, making sure that there are spaces after punctuation, and so on). You're certainly just as welcome to edit as anyone else.

The problem is that you're making quite large-scale changes, and that they undo a lot of work that others have done before you; you're removed the standard layout of articles, removed Wikipedia coding to produce bolding where it should appear, added unformatted and incorrect headers at the top of articles, etc. Moeover, you haven't exxplained why you're making the changes, not even in edit summaries. If you could just correct mistakes and add new information, giving sources and explanations at the Talk pages and in your edit summaries, then other editors would happily overlook any mistakes in English, and help to tidy up after you.

We don't want to drive away new editors; we'd much rather you stayed and helped us, and we'll do as much as we can to help you. On your part, though, you need to make the effort to learn about how Wikipedia works, and to fit in with our policies and guidelines.

I hope that you'll do that, and join in the long job of improving articles here. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)