User talk:Vinay089/Archive 1

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Ayaan Chawla
I strongly advise you not to try. The title is protected because of a prolonged and disruptive attempt to promote him here, with many articles under different titles, and many sockpuppets trying to influence deletion discussions: The articles showed someone very energetic at setting up companies and websites and self-promoting on social media, but did not convince anyone except his sockpuppets that he had any WP:Notability in Wikipedia's sense. Things like setting up your own company and being "Youngest CEO" don't mean anything unles the company actually achieves something.
 * Ayaan Chawla deleted four times, AfD, DRV, another DRV, a third DRV
 * A. Chawla deleted twice, AfD
 * Ayaan chawla
 * Ayaan C.
 * Sockpuppet investigations/Ron Gates/Archive - a large number of single-purpose accounts trying to promote Chawla and asking to keep his articles. Quote from one of the editors deaing with it: "This guy is so bad on creating socks that it's beyond hilarious but its already causing too much disruption..."

That history means that any new article will be looked at very closely indeed, and unless you can produce convincing evidence of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources you will be wasting your time. If streams of single purpose accounts appear to back you up, you will all likely be blocked as yet more "Ron Gates" sockpuppets.

If you still want to go ahead, first read WP:Notability and WP:Notability (summary) and WP:Your first article and use WP:Articles for creation to make a draft. If it is accepted at the AfC stage, it will probably need to go to AfD again.

Note that if you are employed or paid by Chawla, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use ("Paid contributions without disclosure" under section 4) to disclose your interest in any edits where you have a WP:Conflict of interest.

JohnCD (talk) 17:23, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * OK. It's interesting, actually today I've seen an article about Chawla in newspaper and then I searched about him and found much reliable sources. I think I should drop the idea or I'll create an article as draft for approval first will also inform you. What you suggest? Vinay089 (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you want to try, you should make a draft. I am afraid you will be wasting your time: think really hard about notability first, because the references in the deleted articles showed energetic PR and name-dropping but no evidence of actual substantial achievements. Wikipedia is quite experienced at telling actual achievement apart from PR and "famous-for-being-famous". In that context, note the comment about one of the previous articles in this DRV from a very experienced user:
 * "'The references are essentially PR. We are gradually getting away from the most naive interpretation of the GNG, that it doesn't matter where the article comes from or what it says. Notability has to be for something, and if there are references expressing coverage for nothing much, it doesnt belong in an encyclopedia. Having worked with this area for years, I am getting increasingly skeptical of the non-promotional or substantial nature of much Indian newspaper coverage, even in the best papers.'"
 * "GNG" is the WP:General notability guideline. Having a large number of trivial references does not help - see also No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. JohnCD (talk) 20:11, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I was about to create an article but found one same for the subject (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Chawla_(businessman)) created by someone else, so I've added few notable references to it. I want you to give your suggestion to me either the references are enough or I've to give more sense to notable references. Thanks Vinay089 (talk) 03:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for making the article draft. I'm waiting for your informative reply on my question. As I want to understand wether I'm proceeding in right direction or not, because I found third party notable references (Media, University, etc.). But still the created article was pushed to drafts. So I'm actually bit confused. Will be waiting for your help & reply. Vinay089 (talk) 20:53, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I moved it to Draft because, when the title has been salted, you cannot get around that by variations of the name. Also, the references are not good enough. Interviews count for little, because they are the subject talking about himself. Awards count for little. Press releases count for nothing. Anyone can set up a company and call himself CEO and make a grand website; has any of his companies actually achieved anything? What is needed is someone independent of Chawla writing about him and his achievements in some depth. See WP:Notability (summary). As user DGG said in the passage I quoted above: "Notability has to be for something, and if there are references expressing coverage for nothing much, it doesnt belong in an encyclopedia." JohnCD (talk) 21:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Bigrock worth writing?
I'm thinking to start with article of company Bigrock by Directi. Is this the notable subject, because I found third party notable references (Media, University, etc.). But still some created article was pushed to drafts or deleted. So I'm actually bit confused. Will be waiting for your help & reply. Vinay089 (talk) 20:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You can try, if you like, but please understand that Wikipedia is really quite selective about article subjects. It does not want to be a business listing directory, with entries for every company that exists. That is why WP:Notability is deliberately quite a high bar. The deleted article on Bigrock simply said "BigRock is a web hosting solution provider and considered to be India's one of the largest network. It is a subsidiary of Directi group of business and founded on 2010" with references to its website and to a press release. That is not nearly enough. Read WP:Notability (summary) again. JohnCD (talk) 21:24, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There was another version, deleted after WP:Articles for deletion/BigRock - read the comments there about references. If you want to try here, I suggest that you use WP:Articles for creation to make a draft you can send for review. JohnCD (talk) 10:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation
Because we have had so much trouble with sockpuppets pushing Ayaan Chawla, anyone who wants to write about him is now regarded with suspicion, and now there are two of you at once. I have listed your name at Sockpuppet investigations/Ron Gates with a request for a WP:Checkuser investigation, which will use technical mean to determine whether your account is linked to the previous socks. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then, if you wish to do so, respond to the evidence at Sockpuppet investigations/Ron Gates.

I am sorry that this is necessary, but this case has caused a great deal of disruption and wasted time, and we need to make clear that people cannot use Wikipedia for publicity purpose by persistently setting up more accounts. If you are not "Ron Gates" the checkuser will make that clear. JohnCD (talk) 21:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * I can understand your concern, no worries whatever the formalities are required you can do that. But I don't appreciate your this expression, because as a editor I was looking help from you. I think this is kind of racism against indian biographies (Companies, Persons, etc.) needs to be reported to the Wikimedia Foundation. You're a senior editor/administrator to me and we all are here to contribute to this encyclopaedia, so:
 * If you think someone's biography is waisting your time then don't work on that, somebody else will do that.
 * Asking for help on a subject which is blocked by you is disturbance?
 * Who we're to decide someone's establishment as the person we're here talking about has:
 * - Received Appreciation Letter by Prime Minister's Office - India
 * - Awarded with prestigious Young Entrepreneur of the Year award
 * - Titled as India's youngest CEO with a heart of Gold by The Hans India
 * - Covered and featured by leading Newspapers, Magazines, News Portals
 * Do you still think your statement "Anyone can set up a company and call himself CEO and make a grand website" can be applied on this subject/biography.
 * I as a random person to this subject and going through the complete history/revisions, I'm able to understand only one thing the person having maximum PR can be added to Wikipedia otherwise not.
 * NOTE: This discussion is not only about one anonymous person, but about anyone (Company, person, etc.) that deserves to be in encyclopaedia.
 * I'm sorry if I've used any wrong words by mistake, not writing anything by intensions. Vinay089 (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * NOTE: This discussion is not only about one anonymous person, but about anyone (Company, person, etc.) that deserves to be in encyclopaedia.
 * I'm sorry if I've used any wrong words by mistake, not writing anything by intensions. Vinay089 (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I've used any wrong words by mistake, not writing anything by intensions. Vinay089 (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I've used any wrong words by mistake, not writing anything by intensions. Vinay089 (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * No, asking for help is not disturbance, and I have spent quite a lot of time giving you the best advice I can. What has been disruptive is eight deleted articles and eleven sockpuppets so far. It would be disruptive if more articles are created with different titles, or if the draft is repeatedly submitted without adequate references.


 * It's not correct that "the person having maximum PR can be added to Wikipedia otherwise not". PR by itself is not enough, that's the point. What gets someone into Wikipedia is actual achievements, sufficient to cause people independent of them to write about them in depth in reliable sources.


 * Yes, I think "Anyone can set up a company and call himself CEO and make a grand website" is quite applicable here. The company has been going for five years, but its forum has a total of 9 posts by 2 people. The management team seems to be largely Chawla's family. LinkedIn shows it as 1 - 10 employees, though 50+ "employees and resources". Either way, this is not a big or fast-expanding company, and there must be thousands like it in India. JohnCD (talk) 11:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * I understand that Chawla's company might not as big as Microsoft or other notable companies, that's why if you can see I've not touched anything about Chawla's company but rather chosen to write on him (on basis of reliable references) or Bigrock (which is competitor of Chawla's company). Bigrock in India, have a value like Godaddy.
 * I'm still confused that if a person have received a recognition from Government to Media, but he is still not notable:
 * - Received Appreciation Letter by Prime Minister's Office - India
 * - Awarded with prestigious Young Entrepreneur of the Year award
 * - Titled as India's youngest CEO with a heart of Gold by The Hans India
 * - Covered and featured by leading Newspapers, Magazines, News Portals
 * OFF-TOPIC: Concerns related to Chawla's company not his article:
 * - forum has a total of 9 posts by 2 people
 * As seen in history that the forums was launched recently. Is forums post is the indication to notability?
 * LinkedIn shows it as 1 - 10 employees
 * As seen in history the company was reflecting above 50 employees.
 * I'm not here to create something which is not notable, because it's not worth and as I feel Wikipedia is not meant for that. That's why I'm being very fare with terms and looking to create article which have notable references like Chawla, Bigrock, etc.
 * I think this subject is being considered as Spam which it should not be, but for now I'm leaving this topic to other editors.
 * But yes I'll be seeking your help in future with other articles. I also request you to help understand on Notability References Type. I really appreciate your helpful nature, thanks for all your help! Vinay089 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not here to create something which is not notable, because it's not worth and as I feel Wikipedia is not meant for that. That's why I'm being very fare with terms and looking to create article which have notable references like Chawla, Bigrock, etc.
 * I think this subject is being considered as Spam which it should not be, but for now I'm leaving this topic to other editors.
 * But yes I'll be seeking your help in future with other articles. I also request you to help understand on Notability References Type. I really appreciate your helpful nature, thanks for all your help! Vinay089 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think this subject is being considered as Spam which it should not be, but for now I'm leaving this topic to other editors.
 * But yes I'll be seeking your help in future with other articles. I also request you to help understand on Notability References Type. I really appreciate your helpful nature, thanks for all your help! Vinay089 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * But yes I'll be seeking your help in future with other articles. I also request you to help understand on Notability References Type. I really appreciate your helpful nature, thanks for all your help! Vinay089 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * You don't need to keep repeating all that, I read it the first time. All these points have been raised in the many previous deleted articles. There are so many awards that "award-winning" is more or less meaningless. A Nobel prize counts for something, but "Young X of the year" doesn't. Who knows how many "letters of appreciation" the PM's office sends out? With interviews, one can get an idea of whether the interviewer is asking probing questions, or just letting the subject tell his story. None of those are "significant independent comment" which would mean someone else writing about him.


 * The reason I looked at at Chawla's company is that if he is notable for anything, it is for setting up a company, and that depends whether the company itself is anything out of the ordinary.


 * For guidance on what Wikipedia means by notability, read:
 * WP:Notability - the key words are "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Entries in lists are not enough. Anything put out by the subject, or based on press releases is not independent.
 * WP:Notability (people)
 * WP:Notability (organizations and companies)
 * WP:Notability (summary)
 * WP:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability


 * If you are not sure, consider using WP:Articles for creation. That way, you can create a draft and send it for review by an experienced user, who will either accept it or give you feedback. Then you have a chance to improve it, whereas if you post it directly it may get deleted. JohnCD (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for all your help, concern and guidance Vinay089 (talk) 06:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Vinay

Thanks for mentioning me in your comment.

I would like to add, however, that the article on Bhavin Turakhia is perfectly legitimate, and if you check my record on Wikipedia, I have done several edits to improve wikipedia, and they are always neutral and verified.

I have been trying to find the discussions page wherein I can approach the team of administrators and place this case; however, I cannot seem to find the link. Can you please help me by directing me to the url so that we can have a discussion.

I look forward to your reply.

Thanks, Najeeb

PS: I re-created the page with no nefarious intention, and I mentioned in my save comment that everything will be backed up with references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Najeeb1010 (talk • contribs) 09:26, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reaching out, as per my suggestion you must quit writing about Turakhia brothers. Otherwise there are high chances of block on your account by Administrators. Because as per the decision of many Wikipedia members & especially Administrators there article is not notable and is Delete. Being an Indian as per my experiences with the Wikipedia is that, here mostly foreign entrepreneurs are valued more than Indian businesspeople.