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Daniel Hale Williams

 * Daniel Hale Williams edit done on: 00:39, 30 March 2015‎

I removed a citation, with text and reference, due to the fact that, the date a surgery report is published on, does not necessarily determine the date the surgery was performed on. There are valid sources that have been referenced, that state the dates each surgery was performed on. Dalton's surgery was done in 1891, while Williams was done in 1893. According to Shumacker, Dalton's record was not published until 1894 and Williams record was not published until 1897. So if we use the same logic that the previous editor used, Dalton was still the first. (see the references in the article)

I also removed the reference to the cited book since the book is not a scholarly reference for providing the date that the surgery was performed on. In the footnotes of the book by Dunn, a source for the date that Williams performed his surgery is cited but that source further references another source and so on. I was unable to locate the final source which was a reference to a work by 'Hill L.L. Med Rec 1902; 2:864. If anyone finds this source please research it and reply if necessary. Any finding contrary to Henry Dalton being the first to perform surgery of the pericardium to repair a wound, would conflict with the two sources by Shumacker and Horatio Wood, and this would definitely be controversial. At the very least, it should open up a discussion. The citation I removed was: "Henry C. Dalton had successfully performed pericardium surgery to a repair a wound in 1891, with the patient fully recovering. However, the news of Dalton's operation was not published until 1895, two years after William's operation. * Dunn, Rob The Man Who Touched His Own Heart Little, Brown and Company 2015 pp22-24. ISBN 978-0-316-22579-3."


 * Daniel Hale Williams edit done on: 07:10, 30 March 2015‎

Corrected the ordinals designating the order of precedence in the Career part of the entry. Re-added the reference to the source by Wood. Corrected the statement about Romero and Larrey. Based on the cited sources, it appears that Romero and Larrey can and should be designated as the first heart surgeons of the modern era. Perhaps such a statement is best left to a Wikipedia entry detailing a history of heart surgery. Comments suggestions welcome.


 * Hi Vino land; I'm the editor who made the previous edits. Actually, you make good points - I agree with your points about the references and which surgery was really performed first; especially since this seems to talk more about which was performed rather than documented first. The reference I was using - Dunn's book - was the one that stated that William's surgery was documented first, and that Cornish was stabbed in a barfight. However, I would agree that the Shumaker book probably takes precedence. Also, Dunn's book has references of its own - I might try to go through those later and see what I can pull out. Thanks! Tauzoon (talk) 03:52, 31 March 2015 (UTC)