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Eric Helms Monday
Please explain why this person is famous. --AW 21:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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Eric Helms Monday article is probably premature. It will be readded after his book on the Byrd Machine in Virginia is published this Fall. VirginiaProp 20:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Ernie Byfield
Do you have any suggestions for sources for this one? I'm sure he is notable but needs sources. Thanks! --Stormbay 00:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I will try to add a reference or two in the next couple of days. Lucius Beebe wrote about him frequently in his many writings. Also, some of the hotel and hospitality industry writings have references to him. He was apparently an intimate of many of the famous of the 30's, 40's and 50's. His restaurant, the The Pump Room, Chicago was the preferred stopping-over point for celebrities switching trains in Chicago from the 20th Century Limited to the Super Chief, etc. on their way between the West Coast the East Coast. VirginiaProp July 16, 2007


 * Sounds good to me! Good luck! --Stormbay 02:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Created page with 'Added references and external links sections to provide references. Should the "unreferenced" note be removed? It is still just a stub article. VirginiaProp July 17, 2007
 * Remove the tags yourself the next time. Does it have a stub tag? Nice fix-up! --Stormbay 17:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

OK. I wasn't sure of the proper etiquette for removal of tags. I'm new here. VirginiaProp 19:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the additions, it looks good now --AW 20:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hello! This concerns the CCG Systems article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCG_Systems

You had tagged a section of the article as "written like an advertisement." I have removed the most offending statement from it, and only left justifiable facts. For your convenience, I have cut and pasted the text:

''FASTER is a computerized database management and reporting system designed for usage by organizations with fleet vehicle assets. Initial editions of FASTER were developed for use under the BOS operating system. In 1995 FASTER was redeveloped for usage on Windows client-server platforms with an installed instance of MS SQL or Oracle. Mobile and Internet web based versions are scheduled for release in 2008.''

These are all FACTS, with cites referred in the article where needed, and without negative or positive leanings (I do not claim it is the worst or the best - only that they exist and a date given). I feel such statements are no more different than those made in article such as Windows or Firefox. As per the advertisement ruling: articles about companies and products are acceptable if they are written in an objective and unbiased style. I feel the article is objective and unbiased. I wish to confer with you, since such steps need to be taken before involving a third opinion for arbitration, as per Wikipedia recommends.

Thank you for taking the time to help me improve the article! Nargrakhan 19:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You give Windows and Firefox as examples of notable products. I agree.  Both of those products have independent, 3rd party books written about them.  They are also widely used and generally well-known products in the general populace.  A specialized piece of fleet vehicle management software seems to me to have a high hurdle to overcome to demonstrate its impact on society and notability.  VirginiaProp 21:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Company Notability
Hello! This concerns the CCG Systems article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCG_Systems

You had tagged the entire article for "notability justification." Company easily meets notability standards, as well as cite criteria. Merely doing a Google search on the keywords "Faster" and "CCG" reveals various government and corporate locations using the software, as well as further details. Just a small sample immediately found:

http://www.virginiabusiness.org:81/companyinfo/CompanyCard.asp?id=2397&login=&level=&FileNum=&a=
 * Company earns a gross revenue of $1.5 to $5.0 million:


 * Following government public works use or attempted to acquire FASTER:

City of Vancouver http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/CTYCLERK/CCLERK/980730/a3.htm

King County http://www.metrokc.gov/dnrp/swd/about/documents/2005_SWANA_Landfill-Mgmt.pdf

City of Norman http://www.ci.norman.ok.us/public_works/fleet/default.htm

City of Tampa http://www.tampagov.net/dept_internal_audit/files/apg/apfleet.pdf


 * Company is also mentioned in various news articles not associated with CCG:

Buyer Zone http://www.buyerzone.com/software/maintenance_management/rbic-right-equipment-manager.html

Responder Safety http://www.respondersafetyonline.com/500/News/Article/False/70135/News

Red Orbit http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/270232/ilinc_secures_new_contract_with_ccg_systems_inc/index.html

Nargrakhan 19:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The sources cited as independent non-interested 3rd parties are either incidental mentions, such as quotations from employees of CCG Systems in articles about the industry, or they are reprints of company press releases placed in industry publications. I admit that the notability issue is not black and white, but the independent 3rd party references seem shaky at best.  Normally, I would expect to see lengthier articles or more in-depth analysis of a company in order to warrant its notability for encyclopedic versions.  The best reference is to have a 3rd party write a lengthy, multi-page article or even a book about a company.  Having press-release-like two and three paragraph inserts in trade publications geared towards purchasers of the company's products reads too much like self-serving propaganda.  I'm still not convinced of the notability of the company or its product.  VirginiaProp 21:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you don't mind, I'll just sum both my arguments into this reply. Will save me sanity and time. ^_^ While I can understand what you are saying, note that Wikipedia does not use "magnitude" as the measure of notability, but verifiability and reference. The company meets all criteria needed for inclusion within Wikipedia (primary and secondary sources with truthful citation/reference). Furthermore, that one suite of CCG's fleet management costs $400K to $500K is not something insignificant (x270 clients that would be over $100 million). References found via a Google search, are also not totally commercial in nature: several are government documentation for procurement (requests for city budget to purchase the software client). Further detail can be obtained through public access of City Hall records. Government Fleet is a magazine publication dedicated to Fleet Management - one can order a subscription from them (free if government; must pay if not). Just because fleet management is not a "common" factor in everyday life, should not be used against it for entry. CCG is a multi million dollar corporation - what the "notability" clause against companies is for, is to prevent each and every "mom and pop stores" from having a Wikipedia article. I believe I have proven CCG is not a "mom and pop" company: counties and cities in two nations (Canada and the US) have purchased FASTER as their central fleet management software suite. These can be cited for truth through various channels that are not exclusively available to myself. Third party references are available - the meatiest of all would be the budget transcripts and requests from government entities - which obviously exist - but these are not readily found online for immediate access. Also requesting such materials can take MONTHS... I have already requested for several in the local area... but there's the processing and waiting. However, using the above examples again - http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/CTYCLERK/CCLERK/980730/a3.htm - that's a third party justification that gives it's own assessment of CCG and the importance of having it (i.e. why the city of Vancouver should pay 1 million for a new fleet system with FASTER). Another was for King County in the state of Washington - http://www.metrokc.gov/dnrp/swd/about/documents/2005_SWANA_Landfill-Mgmt.pdf - These are not commercial. These are civil agencies - no different than the military publishing their own reports and research. I imagine that each city/county does the same... although that would be independent research. ^_- Nargrakhan 01:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You seem to know quite a bit about this company and its products. What is your relationship to and interest in the company? VirginiaProp 02:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * None really. I just happen to have strange interests in obscure things. For example I'm also writing an article for High School Drama! - which is a relatively unknown game - and did various odds and ends for Sister Princess... among others. It's just that I really use Google to the fullest when hunting info. I've grown careful in covering all my bases, since two past articles I devoted a lot of time and effort upon, were deleted simply because I didn't frame them correctly... later someone else resurrected them, cut and pasting everything I did, but following the rules of Wikipedia. Sucked hardcore to see someone else get credit for my hard work. So yeah... I've picked odd "no one cares about" issues and decided to work on them. Learning as I go along... However I do live in Virginia, and I pass by the CCG headquarters on my way to downtown Norfolk (it's at a stoplight). That's how I know the company exists. Nargrakhan 03:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nargrakhan (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not trying to be difficult with you. The article is well put together.  However, I'm still not convinced that the article meets the notability standards for companies.  The 3rd party sources are marginal at best.  I will ask an experienced admin to review and offer an opinion.  VirginiaProp 19:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Understood and understandable. Admin ruling is actually a blessing. If it rules for keeping, then it should quell all future debate. If it rules for removal, then it frees up my time for working on other articles. Either way, win-win for me. ^_^ Nargrakhan 01:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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British overseas territories
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 * Thanks. I'm fairly new here, so I try not to be too aggressive.  However, your point is well taken.  Thanks.  VirginiaProp 15:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:British overseas territories
I am sure you are aware of this but ill post it just in case. Re:Breen32 Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. BigDunc 22:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The removal of the inflammatory and POV materials ("rape" "pillage" "plunder") from Talk:British overseas territories posted by Breen with no aim towards improving the article itself was entirely and completely justified and I stand by the decision. It was not "bad practice," as you deem it.  Rather, the removal of materials not related to the improvement of articles is entirely sanctioned by WP:TPG.  Particularly I refer to the following section "Deleting material not relevant to improving the article (per the above subsection How to use article talk pages)" VirginiaProp 00:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Virginia barnstar


I've been seeing all the work you've been doing on Virginia related topics and for the WikiProject, and I think it's time you got a barnstar - a real VA barnstar. Glad to have you aboard, and keep up the good work.-- Kubigula (talk) 02:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Words of encouragement are always appreciated.  Any pointers or hints are also welcome.VirginiaProp 02:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You seem to be doing just fine so far. Don't hesitate to ask if you ever want advice or assistance.  I can't promise satisfaction, but I'm usually happy to help.-- Kubigula (talk) 03:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Werowocomoco
Thanks for your help with Werowocomoco, which is degenerating into a potential edit war. We seem to have a bull-headed editor on this one and Powhatan's Chimney, ironically an article I started. Mark in Historic Triangle 03:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Virginia wine
Howdy, a goal of mine is to eventually get the Template:American wine filled with blue links of articles of the wine industry in each state. There is currently not an article on Virginia wine. Would you be interested in starting on and I'll be glad to pitch in. I know I've got a nice Cab Fran from James River winery somewhere in my cellar. :) AgneCheese/Wine 19:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I will be happy to give it a start. I'll try to get to it in October. There is some interesting history with attempts at Jamestown and by Jefferson and some interesting pre-Prohibition history of wine in Virginia.VirginiaProp 23:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a great foundation for an article. :) Especially the Jefferson part. Another wishlist article on my list of articles to eventually work on is Thomas Jefferson and wine. There is enough info out there to merit its own article and the current Thomas Jefferson article is a bit lengthy as it is. AgneCheese/Wine 06:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Ruth Fisher
Thanks for the kind words. Mark in Historic Triangle 05:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Encyclopedia Virginia
Thanks for the heads up - looks like we will have some competition. You're right that it could be a great source.

That also reminds me that we really need to put out another newsletter.-- Kubigula (talk) 02:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Nat Turner
Review the history of the Nat Turner. I merely reverted the vandalism by the contributor before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.185.0.47 (talk) 00:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa! I just saw two revisions by you - one having vandalism in it and the other not.  You must have revised it twice and only removed part of the vandalism the first time.  Additionally, I saw the anon IP account and jumped to a conclusion.  My apologies. VirginiaProp 00:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem.  Peace. 74.185.0.47 00:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. I do try to rate when I can.  However, I'm not familar with the importance and class criteria that your WP Universities uses.  Perhaps I'm being a bit cautious, but I only try to assess when I am fairly familiar with the particular Project. VirginiaProp 18:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I find that the standards don't vary dramatically among and between most projects, so I tend to just go with whatever rating's already been assessed for another project, or take a quick look at it to decide.  To each his own, of course. :) Esrever 22:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Removal of Assessment from Ferguson Center for the Arts
I "de-assessed" the article because I extensively re-worked the article and felt that a review was warranted. I have now added references also. I apologize for the inconvenience. I am a relatively new user and this is my second major edit. Thanks for your help. Let me know if I do anything else wrong. Also feel free to remove this from your talk after you have read it. Thanks, (Nicolaususry 02:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC))
 * No problems. You didn't do anything wrong.  Editing tags are useful and you should view them as help when you are creating an article.  The tags make sure that the article gets put on a list that other WikiPedians can view of articles that need various types of assistance.  Article creation is collabarative on WP and assistance can be very helpful.  Most of us don't have the time or resources to create an article and take it to full GA status on our own.  Also, tags are a way for an editor to mark something that needs to be improved, but for which he either doesn't have the time, the knowledge or the interest in improving himself. VirginiaProp 13:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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 * Hi. I visited the image page prompted by OrphanBot's change to List of NHLs in VA.  Photo appears taken from this webpage.  It appears you had believed (reasonably) that it was in public domain because that webpage is one of the National Park Service.  However, National Park Service copyright information statements indicate that not all photos on NPS webpages are public domain.  Those with separate credits, such as this one credited to Virginia DHR, are not public domain.  See WikiProject National Register of Historic Places for some expansion on that, with link to NPS copyright statement.  I am removing the licensing assertion that was with the photo.  Thanks for trying to help;  on this one it just isn't working out though. doncram (talk) 12:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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