User talk:Virtrium

July 2009
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Istaria
Hello, Virtrium. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Woodroar (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

October 2013
I have removed the "Content Updates" section at Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted. Version history lists are considered inappropriate content; prose summaries and development history are acceptable, but preferably referenced by reliable, third-party published sources.

In addition, as I noted above, you have a clear conflict of interest in editing the article. As such, you should limit yourself to non-controversial edits such as removing vandalism. Addition of content to the article should be proposed on the Talk page, and it's best even with consensus to let someone else add it.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Re: "Content Updates" removal
 * The version history list provided is a non-biased, general summary of changes to Istaria. Below are links to wikipedia pages with similar version history lists on wikipedia:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_version_history
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_versions
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty


 * I'd like to request that the list be added back in, or please make suggestions on what edits are needed to bring the list in line with Wikipedia guidelines / standard of use set by other pages.


 * The current page has significant content for the game Horizons - which is different from Istaria. After the assets were purchased in 2007, and changes began to re-sculpt the game, the name was changed to reflect this. I've tried removing the content related to Horizons, but the edits were removed. Can you help to make this article more accurately reflect Istaria / separate out the content to accurately reflect Horizons?


 * Much appreciated for your checking Wikipedia articles to ensure accuracy and reflect guidelines. Virtrium (talk) 18:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You'll find a list of inappropriate content for articles on video games—which includes "[e]xhaustive version histories"—at WP:VGSCOPE. (Projects that govern other software, such as iTunes, may well have different guidelines.) A prose paragraph of highlights could be included, but we should allow independent/third-party sources judge what's important to include. You may find WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines helpful as well.
 * If you'd like to request help with the article, drop by Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. I think you'll find that by suggesting some independent sources, we'll be able to flesh out the Istaria time so the article isn't so focused on the earlier development. I hope this helps! Woodroar (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the link to the wikipedia guildline. I'm pretty sure that page is saying to not include "exhaustive" lists, such as every minor patch or revision. The list removed was only major versions, not an exhaustive list of every minor version or patch.
 * Please see the following wikipedia pages for examples of other games that also include lists of major versions:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_%26_Dragons_Online
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everquest
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_online
 * I'd like to ask your help in how to best revert the current page to a Horizons page, and then create a new page for Istaria. If you can provide guidance, or make the separate page, I can then reach out to players for help in compiling and building a new Istaria page with proper references. Thank you again for all your help. Virtrium (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * The articles on Dungeons & Dragons Online and EverQuest include a simple list of expansions, which, in the case of EverQuest, include links to separate articles. There is no spammy/unencyclopedic language and no links to press releases. Ultima Online does get spammy at times, but a list (at least) is justified to support (again) links to separate articles. If Horizons and Istaria are truly different games, it would be best to have separate articles. If you would like help working on the article or second opinions on the version history, feel free to start a new section at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 17:33, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I've corrected the updates history, following the same format as the Dungeons & Dragons Online page. The format is now simple and has no description that could be considered biased. I'm pretty sure this meets the criteria you've outlined above, in trying to eliminate the "spammy/unencyclopedic language", and any bias of the description text. I've left the references in place, since it seems something shouldn't be listed unless it's got an external reference (so it's not considered opinion). I'm going to start work on pulling together the major update history from the previous development teams, so those can be added to the article and to further expand the development history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virtrium (talk • contribs) 17:06, 28 October 2013
 * I've reverted your edits again. I'm going to be very frank here: you have a very clear conflict of interest at Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted and should not be editing there except in a very small set of circumstances. I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games, so feel free to continue discussion there. Woodroar (talk) 05:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames that give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website, I have blocked this account; please take a moment to create a new account with a username that represents only yourself as an individual and which complies with our username policy. You should also read our conflict of interest guideline and be aware that promotional editing is not acceptable regardless of the username you choose. If your username does not represent a group, organization or website, you may appeal this username block by adding the text below this notice. You may simply create a new account, but you may prefer to change your username to one that complies with our username policy, so that your past contributions are associated with your new username. If you would prefer to change your username, you may appeal this username block by adding the text below this notice. Thank you. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  05:35, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Since your contributions aren't explicetely promotional despite being mostly within the realm of "conflict of interest", I want to clarify this is, at the time being, exclusively a username-based block, because your username violates our policy both because it represents a company instead of an individual and because it implies shared use amongst Vitrium's staff. I would urge you to request a rename & unblock. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  05:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)