User talk:Vis66WHal

September 2023
Hello, I'm 331dot. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Fawaz Alhokair have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Vis66WHal. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Vis66WHal. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. 331dot (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello
 * The edit made was purely for demo purposes. I can confirm that, as of this moment, Sep. 28, 2023, I am not being paid by Fawaz Alhokair, directly or indirectly to promote his presence or any content related to him, through any channel, including Wikipedia. If and when, the role changes to a paid-for editor, I will readily disclose the details of the employer or (client), and the nature of the affiliation. Again, I reaffirm that I have no financial stake in promoting any individual or organization on Wikipedia to date. And agree to comply with all its content policies. Thank you. Vis66WHal (talk) 07:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What is your association with him? 331dot (talk) 08:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Potential client for personal branding exercise Vis66WHal (talk) 08:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If he is a potential client, then you are editing with the expectation that it might win him as a client- that is a form of compensation that triggers the paid editing disclosure requirement now, even without him actually being your client. 331dot (talk) 08:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Even if I am wrong, you still have a clear conflict of interest you need to disclose. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Every marketer aims for client wins! It was a one-off edit to demonstrate a completed profile. Having him on the potential client list (among others) does not constitute a commercial relationship. On-going editing would be the role of his PR agency. Vis66WHal (talk) 10:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't have profiles, not a single one, we have articles. Yes, every marketer aims to win clients, so every marketer should make the terms of use required disclosure. You don't have to have a "commercial relationship", you only have to edit expecting to get something in return, such as a client which would be very valuable to a marketer. You must make this disclosure; you may be blocked for failing to do so. 331dot (talk) 19:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)