User talk:Visorstuff/2003 Archive

Mormon Missionary Article
I'm an RM as well (see http://www.bucketobits.com/about.html). A Mormon missionary article might be fun to create and I think I made a good start on the missionary article. I only want to create it if it makes sense (i.e. it is needed). We'd have to create links to it from the pertinent articles (there are a lot of articles about the Church in the 'pedia). If you think what is in the missionary article is sufficient, let's just leave it. If you think the topic needs a seperate article, we can remove what I have on the missionary article and use it as a starting point. Let me know... &mdash;Frecklefoot 15:26, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Viewing Wikipedia List of Articles
Sorry, I don't know how to view religious articles any easier than what you are already doing. The special pages functions were very nice. Hopefully some generous benefactor will help beef up the wiki servers so that we can get those functions back. —B 19:51, Oct 27, 2003 (UTC)

The List of articles about Mormonism is well done, a much needed piece and I'll contribute where I can. Lots of changes to those articles since my last edit about 3 weeks ago. B 03:43, Dec 7, 2003 (UTC)

I don't want to step on your toes, but I made some significant (provisional) changes on the List of articles about Mormonism. In particular, as per its title, I think this article needs to reflect Mormonism in general, and not just the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Second, I rearranged the outline a bit. The way that articles on Mormonism have been progressing, some parts of the outline have been overfilled, and some of the articles seemed out of place. I'm still not sure the way I arranged things is the best way, but I think it's a little better. Please take a look and see if the new organization makes sense. Since you did all the significant work on creating the list, I would tend to defer to your judgment. COGDEN 08:46, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Meta-article of Interest: Naming conventions (Mormon)
Given the inconsistency (including my own) and continued confusion on naming Church, Latter-day Saint and Mormon related articles and the use of similar terms in those articles, I've created the new meta-article to help normalize the convention. —B 17:14, Nov 12, 2003 (UTC)

"Mormonism as a Christian religion" page
Visor, the page as it stands says what I was driving at. The reason I deleted the "saved by grace" comment was because the wording of the sentence, as it stood, implied that the LDS believe in grace-alone salvation and the Calvinists, etc., do not: I thought that the sentence as I left it implied that the LDS believe that grace is not sufficient for salvation, which is my understanding of LDS doctrine. The sentence as currently modified says more or less what it should: I think it's still misleading in that it implies that Catholics and Mormons have identical beliefs about salvation (which they do not -- Purgatory is one obvious difference), but I can't come up with a clearer way to note that many Protestants believe in sola gratia as the principle of salvation, the LDS and the Catholics (and some Protestants) disagree, but the LDS are not in full agreement with either the Catholics or the non-Calvinist Protestants regarding the workings of salvation. I hope I gave no offense -- none was intended. Have fun editing, Jwrosenzweig 22:39, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

What a page! Kind of seems out of place in an encyclopedia. Perhaps that is due more to its tone than its content. I had one question: Is the first sentence factual? Do MOST Christians not consider Mormons as Christians? Is this a verifiable assertion based on a worldwide opinion poll? Using words like MOST is a big responsibility, and I think we should stick to MANY unless we can back up our assertions. Also, I would like to try to write a better NPOV first paragraph. User:Hawstom


 * Totally agree - it's hard to take a poll - I'll make the change. That said, however, although the denominations accept the LDS Church as Christian, many of their adherents and clergy do not. Visorstuff 00:22, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Update: I think the page is taking a better form. I have discussed core issues and direction extensively with Mkmcconn and Wesley. It appears we are sensing a direction and purpose. I think there is a positive future for the page. See what you think. Hawstom 19:25, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I appreciate your frankness. It is needed in the discussions. You are both well-steeped in Wiki NPOV and unbending on what is NOT Mormonism. I seem compelled to be somewhat more accommodating in my writing, but your style is needed. Fringe stuff is good fodder for the Ed Deckers and Tanners, but doesn't describe at all the faith of millions of Mormons. Thanks. Tom 23:01, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Merging Mormon "Controversies" articles to parent articles
Take a look at this discussion --> User_talk:Eloquence Any thoughts? B 19:00, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

COGDEN, please come on over to User_talk:Eloquence and help us think through a convention for dealing with controversies. (Should I perhaps start a page for this topic?) Hawstom 08:41, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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Kudos
Amazing work on the Mormonism related articles page. I hope I am not one who has added links to pages that do not exist. I would probably not be described as a proliferationist, but as a minimalist or deletionist (if it ever came to that). As it stands, I am nothing but a novice trying to be respectful. :-D. Hawstom 22:19, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)