User talk:Visuall

CNGS Image
Hi there,

Can you send me the link for where CERN/LNGS have released image into the public domain please? It's not attached to the image and my experience with CERN is that they don't allow any images to be released in this way, though I can't say for LNGS. Cheers Khu  kri  20:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Khukri,


 * The image is included in the paper the LNGS released publicly: http://static.arxiv.org/pdf/1109.4897.pdf.


 * (Sorry for the delay, I've submitted many times via Firefox, but always got "The connection has timed out.").


 * Visuall (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, I just asked over at WP:PHYSICS and papers with their associated images are not considered released into the public domain even though the paper may have been published on the ArXiv, the author or the employer is still considered the owner of the works. What we need is something that shows that this paper or the images have been released into the public domain, something along the lines of how Wikipedia allows all of it's information to be used freely as per WP:CC-BY-SA. If we cannot resolve this unfortunately I will have to remove the images under copyright rules. Cheers Khu  kri  06:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, I've updated the referred license of the paper hosted on ArXiv to WP:CC-BY-SA.
 * Visuall (talk) 19:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough, you can't just put a tag on it, you need to provide proof that the image isn't copyrighted, a link that specifically states that this work has been released into the public domain. Sorry to keep on at you, image copyright is quite a serious issue for Wikipedia. Regards Khu  kri  05:30, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

You seem to have misunderstood the text on the ArXiv license page. Articles submit to the arxiv are released under one of three possible licenses. These can be public domain, or creative commons, but by far the most common is that the work is released under a minimal license granting arxiv the right to redistribute the article and not much else. This is the default option when submitting articles, and also the safest for the authors with respect to getting the article published in a top journal. Unless specific proof otherwise is given, it is likely the OPERA paper was released under this minimal license. In that case, the images from that paper are not free to use on wikipedia.TR 08:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Timothy & Cheers,
 * I've sent an email with regard to the license of that paper to arXiv, but still don't know what license the paper uses. The following is the email replied by arXiv. What should I do ?


 * "Dear Visuall,


 * Please note that arXiv does not hold copyright to any material posted.
 * arXiv only requires the right to freely distribute an article. Please see:


 * http://arxiv.org/help/license


 * for more information.


 * The author(s) of the paper would have to give consent for their material
 * to be used in such a manner.


 * arXiv admin
 * arXiv admin


 * On 9/30/2011 1:44 PM, visuall wrote:
 * > Hi arXiv,
 * > Some images included in paper Measurement of the neutrino velocity with
 * > the OPERA detector in the CNGS beam 
 * > were uploaded onto Wikipedia, but I don’t know whether such images are
 * > copyrighted or not. The question I would ask is, what's the license the
 * > paper uses ? Could such images be distributed on Wikipedia ?
 * > Paper id: _1109.4897 _ (PDF)
 * > URL: http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897 (Summary page)
 * > Thanks,
 * > visuall"


 * Thanks,
 * Visuall (talk) 18:29, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Timothy & Cheers,


 * I've also sent emails with regard to the license of that paper to LNGS, CERN and the PDF maker Antonio Ereditato yesterday, but still no reply has been received at this time. Could you please tell me what should I do ?


 * Thanks,


 * Visuall (talk) 12:45, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Timothy & Cheers,

I've received a reply to the email I sent to the PDF maker Antonio Ereditato, the following message text is what he wrote:

"No problem...this is public material. Thanks, Antonio

______________________

Prof. Dr. Antonio Ereditato

Albert Einstein Center for Fundamental Physics Laboratory for High Energy Physics University of Bern Sidlerstrasse, 5

CH-3012 Bern

Tel: +41 31 6318566 FAX: +41 31 6314487 Secretariat: +41 31 6314064

antonio.ereditato@cern.ch

On 30/set/2011, at 21:12, visuall wrote:


 * Hi Antonio,


 * Some images included in paper Measurement of the neutrino velocity with the OPERA detector in the CNGS beam were uploaded onto Wikipedia, but I don’t know whether such images are copyrighted or not. The question I would ask is, what’s the license the paper uses ? Could such images be distributed on Wikipedia ?
 * Paper id: 1109.4897 (PDF)
 * URL: http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897 (Summary page)


 * Thanks,


 * visuall"

Visuall (talk) 10:22, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi there, very well done. You just need to follow the instructions here and your done. Thanks for taking the effort to follow up on this, Wikipedia is certainly improved by having these images on it. Kind regards Khu  kri  16:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Cheers, both File:CNGS layout.jpg and File:OPERA_experiment.png are in OTRS pending. Thanks, Visuall (talk) 16:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cheers, I received a reply to the email I sent to the CERN Press Office approximately 4.5 hours ago, the following message text is what they wrote:

"Hello,

All CERN images have CERN copyright and if you want to use them you have to follow our conditions of use: Terms of use for CERN audiovisual media Use of CERN audiovisual media denotes agreement with the following terms:

CERN provides the image free of charge for educational and informational use. The image is provided “as-is” and the user shall hold CERN free and harmless in connection with its use. The image may not be used in a misleading, inappropriate or offensive manner, in a military context, in advertising or promotion, or in a manner that suggests any kind of endorsement by CERN or its personnel. CERN is to be credited as the source of the image. CERN retains copyright in the image. Download and use of the image does not amount to a transfer of intellectual property. The image may not be sold, distributed or otherwise made available for use by third parties. CERN reserves the right to alter or delete images without notice.

Best regards,

CERN Press Office CH - 1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland Tel: +41 22 767 2141/3432 Fax: +41 22 785 02 47 Press.Office@cern.ch

On 30 sept. 2011, at 20:53, visuall wrote:

Hi CERN, Some images included in paper Measurement of the neutrino velocity with the OPERA detector in the CNGS beam were uploaded onto Wikipedia, but I don’t know whether such images are copyrighted or not. The question I would ask is, what’s the license the paper uses ? Could such images be distributed on Wikipedia ? Paper id: 1109.4897 (PDF) URL: http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897 (Summary page) Thanks, visuall"

Thanks, Visuall (talk) 13:20, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey, this is as I originally thought, the CERN copyright rules are incompatible with Wikipedia's free licencing, but as you have the authors agreement that it is released into the public domain you should be on solid ground. Cheers Khu  kri  13:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cheers, I received OTRS's response just now, the following message text is what they wrote:

Dear visuall,

For images to be hosted on Wikimedia Commons, they require the copyright holder to provide a specific release under a suitably free license, which allows anyone to use them for any purpose, including commercial usage and derivative works (subject to applicable laws). If this can be supplied, then the content may be hosted on Wikimedia Commons and then used on Wikipedia. It's not quite clear if the response means the material is available for public consumption or whether it's actually supposed to mean "public domain" release with no copyright on the material.

Thank you for your understanding!

Yours sincerely, Adrignola

-- Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org --- Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, please contact the Wikimedia Foundation by certified mail at the address listed on http://www.wikimediafoundation.org"

Thanks, Visuall (talk) 14:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cheers, I've added tag to both the files. Thanks, Visuall (talk) 16:10, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Adrignola, I've sent a new email to the paper's author Antonio Ereditato. This is the second time I bother the author with such a copyright question, I'm not sure whether a reply could be received. Thanks, visuall (talk) 08:19, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Adrignola, Just as my supposition, I've received no reply to the second email I sent to the paper's author Antonio Ereditato as of this time. If you really consider that such statement as "No problem...this is public material." is not clear enough, then yes, you could delete such images ASAP. Thanks, visuall (talk) 16:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to hear it. Confirmation of public domain status would have been of benefit.  If we get such confirmation, the images can be used.  For now I must do what I must. – Adrignola talk 20:27, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cheers & Carl & Timothy & Túrelio & Adrignola & Stradivarius, I've re-uploaded both the images to enwiki, under Non-free with permission license. Thanks, visuall (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Carl & Carnildo, I've added "di-replaceable fair use disputed" tag to both the images. Thanks, visuall (talk) 11:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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