User talk:Vitaium

Adding ship class overview on individual ship pages
Please stop, it's not required and confusing. See WP:SHIPS guidelines. Also please note ship names should be italicised Lyndaship (talk) 08:08, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Tagging pages for speedy deletion
Hello, Vitaium,

Please review Criteria for Speedy Deletion. A G13 tag can only be applied six months after the last human edit and it is too soon for Draft:"Sacrifice". You need to check the page history with every draft. Liz Read! Talk! 02:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

September 2021
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Oceanic-class ocean liner
Hi I had to revert your new article. It was unsourced and I had to revert it. If you create a new article, it might be worth creating it is an sandbox first. Thanks.  scope_creep Talk  08:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

But Oceanic-class ocean liner represents 6 ships, not a redirect to individual ship. Vitaium (talk) 11:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Image tagging for File:Player choosing their house in Brookhaven RP.jpg
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I've been added where the image come from and who is the copyright holder. Vitaium (talk) 12:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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Brookhaven RP article
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Why now is a redirect? Vitaium (talk) 00:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

It provides the all information about Brookhaven RP Vitaium (talk) 00:30, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The main reason the article was redirected was due to the game not having individual notability. The article you created relied upon entirely on one primary source; to prove individual notability (WP:GNG), articles requires reliable, third-party sources. Panini! 🥪 01:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Abyssinia-class ocean liner


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Nomination of Abyssinia-class ocean liner for deletion
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Can you help me with publishing?
Hello, I have just submitted an article, it is showing it is in review, I am new here and don't know anything, I read somewhere, I should contact admin and tell him to review my article, so if you are an admin, can you please check my article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Mayank_Vikash# Regards, Saurav D2325292 (talk) 11:42, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Your draft submission was declined because articles about BLPs must be veriable and notable, not unsourced. For more information, see WP:BLP or contacting the admin. Vitaium (talk) 15:00, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Miraheze
Hello, Vitaium

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Miraheze for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. For more details please see the notice on the article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Miraheze&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+ contest this deletion], but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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Proposed deletion of Britannic-class ocean liner


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Britannic-class ocean liner
Hi I’ve reviewed your article and I can’t see a single source that uses the term “Britannic-class ocean liner” or anything similar. Where does it come from please? Mccapra (talk) 04:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

The source is from plimsoll.southampton.gov.uk/shipdata/pdfs/31/31b0176.pdf and Harnack 1949 Vitaium (talk) 04:24, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The plimsoll link does not make any mention of a “britannic class.” Mccapra (talk) 04:59, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And what is Harnack 1949? Lyndaship (talk) 06:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

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Nomination of Britannic-class ocean liner for deletion
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Tagging pages for speedy deletion
Hello, Vitaium,

If you are going to tag pages for speedy deletion, please be sure you are not only familiar but that you know CSD criteria very well. Review this policy page. Know what name space each criteria applies to and when it is appropriate to use them and when it would be better to use WP:PROD or nominate an article for WP:AFD. Above all, if you can understand the sentences in an article, if they are written in English or another language, they are not "nonsense" or "gibberish". Gibberish would be a page that has "dkjlWIJ#($)NNKKK!!!!L)+ku$" typed on it. That would be considered nonsense.

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UAA
Thanks for the report at WP:UAA but please note that some wikis allow organisation accounts - see Commons policy for an example, the German wiki is another. Please don't report users at WP:UAA if they haven't edited on this wiki. Cabayi (talk) 19:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Please stop
Hello, Vitaium,

Please stop tagging pages for speedy deletion. You have clearly not reviewed Criteria for Speedy Deletion as I asked you to because you are tagging pages for reasons that are not approved. Having a draft in a foreign language is not grounds for deletion. You continually misunderstand what is meant by "nonsense and gibberish". Do not tag any more pages for speedy deletion until you have more editing experience because you are not doing it correctly. Spend your time improving existing articles and other tasks. Liz Read! Talk! 02:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

November 2021
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Draft:James A. Shorter, you may be blocked from editing. Theroadislong (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Bryophyta. Theroadislong (talk) 14:50, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

CSD: Final warning
Hello Vitaium, I hope you are well. I see that has approached you a few times to caution you about speedy deletion tagging. Unfortunately, it seems that you have not taken her advice to heart:
 * This was clearly not an A1 (the subject is clearly identifiable) or an A7 (the subject is not a person, animal, organization, web content, or event).
 * This was neither a test page, vandalism, an attack page, or unambiguous advertising (and the last two of these contradict each other)
 * The same goes for this.

I also see that left you some other deletion-related warnings a few days ago ; I share their concerns as well.

Since you have not responded to any of those concerns (or to most other messages people have left for you), I feel forced to be blunt: Your current conduct in deletion-related areas is highly disruptive. If I see more issues like this arise, I will block you. Please slow down, focus on making meaningful content contributions to existing articles, and only return to deletion tagging once you are certain you are sufficiently familiar with the applicable policies and guidelines, particularly WP:CSD.

I'm sorry that it has come to this. I appreciate that you are here with the best of intentions, and I hope this can be resolved without sanctions. Please let me know if you have any questions. --Blablubbs (talk) 11:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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Talkback
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We need to have a talk
You have frivolously accused me of being a vandal, and operating a vandal-only account. And your reasons as to why you are accusing me of this are very insufficient. Pasadena, Texas (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Miscellany for deletion and a page title I refuse to repeat
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As the deletion discussion proposer, you can not close a deletion discussion. You can withdraw your proposal but that's it, even if it looks like a speedy keep or speedy deletion. I hope that's clear now. Liz Read! Talk! 22:15, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Feedback Unclear,
It is completely unclear to me why you think that removal of the label propagandist on Laura Ingraham page, is vandalism.

The issue with the propagandist on the "Laura Ingraham page" only shows up on my android Wikipedia app. On a PC it does not show up.

But either way, how do we get rid of it on the android version? It is clearly not in the spirit of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaither (talk • contribs) 05:56, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

User:*Treker/sandbox/project 88
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Most active editors do not appreciate other editors tagging their User pages for deletion. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I went through your User pages and randomly deleted some. Besides, this page wasn't eligible for a CSD G13 so the tagging was doubly inappropriate. But I advise you to spend your time in article, talk, draft and project space and not busy yourself with other editor's User pages. I can't think of a good reason why you would even wander through another editor's User space so please find other activities to keep yourself busy. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:58, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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 * @DanCherek But I actually wanted to copy and paste all of its content to grass in order to comply with WP:COMMONNAME Vitaium (talk) 03:50, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I know. But that has been previously rejected, for example at Talk:Poaceae, so another RM is needed prior to such a move. Even if there is consensus for a move, you shouldn't do so by copying and pasting. DanCherek (talk) 03:51, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * @Lightbloom When I switch to desktop view, the image is not that big. Vitaium (talk) 22:09, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It's because the image is much longer than it is wider, so for phones and other devices that display in portrait it will take up much more of the screen's proportions. Lightbloom (talk) 22:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * @Anaxial But whooper swan is in the subgenus Cygnus while mute swan is in the subgenus Olor, how is it possible then the type species is mute swan? Vitaium (talk) 23:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * If you have a better source, then by all means provide it. Although I will note that for the correct type species designation to be Cygnus cygnus you'd have to demonstrate that the genus name Cygnus was in use before it was first coined, which seems unlikely - but that's a matter of the correct name, not the identity of the species. Either way, we need a reliable source, and, if you have one, that's absolutely fine. Anaxial (talk) 06:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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