User talk:VivaItalia1974

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Doni Tondo
The idea of citations is that you use things that agree with what you are saying, not say exactly what you have removed! Please also learn how to format web references properly, which is simple using []. Johnbod (talk) 12:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

In each of the link, I provided state that Doni Tondo is the sole unanimously accepted Michelangelo,

what is your agenda here? 1) To educate me on how to use or edit wikipedia? 2) or to create credible article about Michelangelo's panel Doni Tondo?
 * Both of these, obviously. Johnbod (talk) 17:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

3) Or to spread incorrect information by claiming full attribution to some questionable Michelangelo's panels when actually they are not fully attributed?
 * You need to read WP:UNDUE. Obviously, especially on Michelangelo, you can find one academic saying any kind of strange thing, but your own sources, including the Uffizi, are happy there are three adult paintings. One might query your agenda. Johnbod (talk) 17:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

1) Yes I'm new to Wikipedia, so I'm not as fluent as you in editing or referencing, etc 2) Calling it 'only undisputed' or 'only unanimous' is the most credible term to describe the work, not by referencing a newly-discovered-overnight Michelangelo in Kimbell.
 * The Kimbell is not an issue. You removed the statement that he painted 3 panels, while adding a reference from the Uffizi confirming just that point. Objective? Johnbod (talk) 17:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

3) If you go around the web or even in art books and such, words like attribution, disputed, workshop of, etc are still much being used to describe National Gallery panels (we leave Kimbell's art panet out for now) That means some parties are not ready to give full attribution to those panels yet (Given National Gallery history of attributing lesser panels to masters(read about NG's Giorgione scandal)

It's not me who needs to prove whether Doni Tondo's is the sole unanimously accepted Michelangelo's work, it is you who needs to provide citations that both panels in UK and Kimbell's panel are fully attributed to Michelangelo - VivaItalia1974
 * But you have kindly done just that, except for the Kimbel, which is not an issue here! Johnbod (talk) 17:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not denying that there are other attributed Michelangelo's panel. What I'm trying to convey is that while there are other attributed Michelangelo's panels, Doni Tondo is the only one undisputed and completed. I don't know why you're persistent in denying that? are you trying to say that both panels in the UK are also universally accepted as Michelangelo?? that's preposterous!! Not the entire art community is behind that idea, there are others who still oppose that those panels are fully attributed to Michelangelo - VivaItalia1974
 * Can't you see that the phrasing you have insisted on re-adding is just not very informative? It raises questions whose answers you have removed. Johnbod (talk) 18:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

No I think the phrase is as clear as it gets, Dony Tondo is the only undisputed Michelangelo's panel. Period. I dont know why you're trying to make it more complicated than that. VivaItalia1974

Italian masterpieces
Hi, I have edited the Doni Tondo generally, and moved the "only undisputed" point to lower down, where it can be given context (ie naming the other paintings), and reflecting the balance of scholarly views. I suggest we leave it there.

I notice the list you are working up on your user page. I have to say this is unlikely to survive if moved to article space. The page is essentially a large gallery, which many people don't like - Wikipedia used to be full of these, but they have mostly been removed - see WP:GALLERY. Also I presume the choice iof works is subjective, which also won't be liked. I don't feel strongly on these issues myself, and won't oppose it, but others will. People will say "move it to Commons", and that is a possibility. Johnbod (talk) 21:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the idea is to turn this into an article, at least the text format if not in gallery format. Though I'm sure audience would like it more in gallery format, so they dont have to click each link to see how the painting looks like.

The goal of the article is to give overview of the treasures of Italy. Unlike in countries like the US, UK, France or Spain, where all of masterpieces are concentrated in a handful major museums, that's not the case in Italy. They are spread in dozens of museums, big ones, small ones, and even in churches (The best of Titian, Caravaggio, Bellini, Mantegna, Giorgione, etc are still in churches in Italy, not in their museums). And unlike other Western Countries where the museums are well-funded and they have nice and informative websites (and often with multiple language options), many Italian museums, even the major ones, don't have their own websites, let alone the churches.

So my idea to have all these masterpiece paintings in Italy listed in one article. I'm going to start with panel paintings, then frescoes, then sculptures, ancient sculptures, etc. So yeah, it's a long term project of mine.
 * I'm not sure what you say is true of Britain, where country houses and smaller museums still have major works, or France or the US. But anyway, subjectivity of choice is likely to be a problem. Johnbod (talk) 03:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Of course I'm aware of famous small collections in the UK like Wallace Collection or John Soane House, those are well-established, well-known museums. In Italy, those are more comparable to Galleria Borghese, Galleria Doria-Pamphilj, Poldi-Pezzoli, Magnani-Rocca, Ambrosiana, Giorgioe-Franchetti, etc which are pretty well-known, well-funded small galleries/house museums. I'm talking more on the level of community or little town museums. In Italy they're known as regionale or communale or civico museums or diocesano museums. For example in the little town of Sansepolcro, the pinacoteca has a couple of major Piero della Francesca pieces, plus some works by Luca Signorreli, Rosso Fiorentino, etc. In the little town of Prato, the civic museum has works by Lippi, Signorelli, Monaco, etc. In the town of Ancona, the regional museum has 2 huge Titian altarpieces, plus Lotto, and oter artists. Same story in towns like Cortona, Lucca, Iesi, Recanati, Brescia, Spoleto, San Gimignano, Volterra, Pavia, Cefalu, Puglia, Correggio, Castelfranco, etc.

Feedback on new version of The Birth of Venus?
Hi, you noted that my image File:Sandro Botticelli - La nascita di Venere - Google Art Project - edited.jpg (based on File:Sandro Botticelli - La nascita di Venere - Google Art Project.jpg) was excessively brightened. I wanted to run a thumbnail of a new version by you (see ) to see if it's closer to the right tones. Thanks! Dcoetzee 03:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

yeah that's better
 * Thanks! I'll go ahead and upload it over my edited version at full resolution. By the way, I wanted to let you know that you can sign your posts using " ~ " at the end. This will let other people easily see that you're the one writing the comment. Dcoetzee 04:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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