User talk:Vivin

Your shamefull words "pot, kettle, black"
The only reason why I did not revert Sukhdev Singh Babbar yet, is because I could not get time to read your vandalized version. Regarding your comment: pot, kettle, black. - Remember I have never called you "hypocrite" even though.....Also Remember!
 * On one hand, you are trying to get Hindu Taliban deleted And on the other, you shamelessly want to support Sikh extremism.
 * On One hand hand you want other editors to not to delete the text from the articles without discussion and on the other you do the same vandalism where you could get a chance.

Atleast those editors are better than you who believe in justice, who do not keep bias in their editing. If I opposed Sikh extremism then I did not support Hindu Taliban either.

If other editors have started calling you User: Hkelkar, it is NOT their fault. Maybe ..... --Singh6 (talk) 05:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Get your facts straight. I'm not trying to get Hindu Taliban deleted. I haven't even worked on that article other than voting in the AfD. A lot of people post here on my talk page, and if you'll notice I only respond to a few of them. Tinu said that the IP is a sock of Hkelkar. Not me. Jeez. -- vi5in [talk] 17:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, calling the cleaned up version "vandalized" is quite rich. -- vi5in [talk] 21:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Singh, If you have misunderstood, let me clarify i dont believe Hkelkar == Vivin. I was commenting of the IP sock who commented on this page --  Tinu  Cherian  - 03:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tinu :) -- vi5in [talk] 04:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hey Vivin! How are things going on with you? Haven't heard from you in a while. I can see a stream of contributions, so I was wondering what was going on... Anyways, feel free mail me sometime when you're free, it would be talking to you again. Cheers! Arjun G. Menon  (talk  · mail) 06:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Vivin! I got your e-mail that you send from WP - will reply soon. You're right, people do oppose me on WP. (see Talk:Upanishads). I think it's a good idea to cast away an article (i.e. stop editing it) when there is too much opposition to what you are doing. The Malayali article was a fair case as I should have been more familiar with the naming rules of WP. But that was not the case with the Upanishads article. Anyways, happy editing - and keep in touch! Arjun G. Menon  (talk  · mail) 09:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)



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Hi there
Please see wp:Ignore all rules and please don't disrupt my constructive edits in the future. thanks, I know I can count on you 68.149.137.181 (talk) 22:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Excuse me while I laugh uncontrollably. -- vi5in [talk] 23:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

RE:Hi Enzuru
Thanks! Hopefully we can fix up this article. -- Enzuru 04:03, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I give up
I don't know how we can get anywhere with that article, where every single source is not acceptable. Not only that, but they eerily check my talkpage to see what Satanoid says to me and then link to it, I don't even have privacy on this issue. Count me out of this one. -- Enzuru 09:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It'd be great if you can get a mediation. And I hope we can both survive through this nutty holiday season. -- Enzuru 18:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Nair Photo
Dear Sir, Please add photos of a) Mohanlal b) Dr G Madhavan Nair c) Lt. General Satish Nambiar d) KPS Menon e) Vijay Nambiar in Nair. Atleast one or two female also like Kamala das or Shobhana. Please remove AK Gopalan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.97.172 (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Reinstating Good Faith
Please can you and roadahead put aside your differences and let us move ahead with the Sikh Extremism project and try and move ahead with this project and try and bring some balance to it. I have noted from past involvement in such disputes you are fair minded like Roadahead, so let us try and create some consensus. Regards.--Sikh-history (talk) 16:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I read your message on my page and I think the tact you have adopted is the way forward. The sticking point is the initial definition. You are correct Roadahead may not have wanted it to exist but given Satanoids previous history and overt vandalism of Sikh articles:


 * It is easy to see why he has this attitude. Now the article is here, my main concern is to maintain some neutrality and use sources with ISBN sources, and use quotes from articles where necessary. The Sikh question as has been presented by Satanoid in the article is too simplistic. It has nothing to do with religion, but to do with politics (Khalistan, water rights, language, culture etc). --Sikh-history (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that there is more of a political tone to Sikh Extremism, but the religious aspect cannot be ignored. I think we can explore this better once we agree on a set of sources. Then we can explore the use of the term within these sources and craft the article that way. -- vi5in [talk] 18:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Jatts aren't the descendents of Scythians, it's only a theory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sogdianprincess x (talk • contribs) 13:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

The theory is very weak. No doubt they are Indo-Aryans but Scythians have left their mark everywhere! They might as well claim Arab, Turk-Mongolian, Persian and Afghan or British ancestry too. Everyone these days claims Scythian herritage, Bulgarians do too. The only rightful owners to Scythian ancestry is Ossetes, Ukrainians and Pashtuns.


 * ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sogdianprincess x (talk • contribs) 04:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you party to this action by Satanoid?
At user talk:sinneed: "If you can acknowledge in fairness what I and Enzuru and Vivin have said I think we can comply with your demands ?" I am concerned this editor may be using your name in this without permission. sinneed (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Avicenna's notability
Please vote on this issue. Thanks! -- Enzuru 03:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm a minimalist, I'm totally not into distros like Ubuntu or PC-BSD. My favourite (Linux) distro for the desktop is Slackware, and for servers Debian. Vanilla FreeBSD is much like Slackware, as well as vanilla OpenBSD (which I recently installed with openbox as my window manager for kicks). Unfortunately in this Win32 world I end up working with Windows servers and Microsoft's awful interfaces. Anywho, I encourage you to ditch desktop environments eventually, and switch to vanilla window managers and a good terminal (urxvt is my favourite personally, but I think aterm and mrxvt are rather good too). -- Enzuru 22:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I write code, C, C++, Python, XHTML, CSS, Java & JSP (hate hate hate...), C, PHP and maybe something else, but my coding knowledge is actually weak, I'm trying to bolster it up, I still write like an amateur. I used to be a vim follower but recently I became an apostate and switched to emacs, and I'm hoping to learn lisp next to make it all the better. And my sitation is opposite, once I hit university I had like no time to really tinker around, I'm on break right now so now is the time I can. -- Enzuru 23:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And I am running a Windows machine for my gaming right now, I am waiting on both Starcraft 2 and Diablo III, more the latter. Me and User:Emilyzilch have been playing Spore quite a bit too. -- Enzuru 23:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I switched to emacs for a multitude of reasons, including extensibility. And I am only using some Microsoft stuff since I'm doing a contract project where I'm updating some guy's Visual Basic 6.0 program to C with the added features. -- Enzuru 00:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Fake Duplicate Articles created by propagandists

 * 1) Kunan Poshpora incident
 * 2) Gawakadal massacre
 * 3) Chattisinghpora, Pathribal, and Barakpora massacres- duplicate propaganda of Chittisinghpura massacre

Could you look into them?Ontopofcosts (talk) 20:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Tagging Kashmir articles
Putting NPOV tags on all the articles on Indian military massacres in Kashmir without so much as bringing up objectionable passages on the talk pages is just making me doubt your objectivity. All the statements in these articles are fully referenced with human rights reports and articles from the Indian & international media. Kabuli (talk) 21:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:SOAPBOX and WP:COATRACK. I really wouldn't bring up the issue of objectivity. You'll notice that I only put one article up for AfD. The other articles definitely have basis in fact and can be salvaged. But they're not that well-written and are definitely written from a subjective point of view. -- vi5in [talk] 21:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Gawakadal tags
I didn't remove ANY tags from the Gawakadal page in my last edit. I simply put in my fully referenced statements, while leaving your tags intact. Seriously, do not edit out fully referenced statements for no reason, simply because you feel like they don't cast India in a favorable light. Kabuli (talk) 21:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I'm sorry about the Gawakadal article. I mixed up the edit between two tabs I had open on my browser. My mistake. I'll go ahead and revert myself. -- vi5in [talk] 21:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

More Kashmir articles
Please take a look at Wandhama massacre as well then. The article is poorly written, is dripping w/ partisan language, and doesn't even cite a source anywhere in the first 2 paragraphs. Kabuli (talk) 21:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

More issues
Also, May I suggest watching the 2006 Malegaon blasts, done by the Muslims. A lot of pro-Pakistan editors are deliberately trying to conflate it with the 2008 Malegaon blasts, where this sadhavi whoeversheis and the Army Colonel presently stand accused.Ontopofcosts (talk) 11:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Similar problems also exist in Kashmir Conflict, with pro-Pakistani cabal lobbying for by-passing wikipedia policies to put racist POV in those articles and use wikipedia to incite war and genocide in South Asia. See Talk page discussion oldidBarracuda the song (talk) 03:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Lalit Jagannath
When you can spare the time, could you look into the edits of lalit Jagannath? ALL of his edits are biased, slanted against India, and undue weight based on tendentious anti-India misinterpretation of his "sources". He has completely trashed Economy of India (compare it to Economy of Pakistan), and his edits deserve close scrutiny (particularly his edits to Education in India). he seem to have no understanding of WP:NPOV at all, and all of his attacks are on high-ranked high-visibility India articles. Please do take a look at this stuff. Thanks very much.72.179.43.32 (talk) 08:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Photos in Nair section
Dear Sir, The Photo album in Nair section is good but all the poeple are already expired except Shashi Tharoor and Mohanlal. Don't we have any more great people living in the Nair Community at present? And what was AK Gopalan's contribution to Nair community? Please add photos of some living legends like Dr.G. Madhavan Nair (ISRO chairman), Lt. Gen Satish Nambiar (UN under secretary), Vijay Nambiar( Foreig secretay GOI) and atleast One living woman like Parvathy Omanakkuttan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.244.218 (talk) 06:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry for taking this long to reply. I'm sure there are more pictures. The issue is being able to find free and fair-use images of the people in question. If you're able to provide, or know where I can get them, please let me know. -- vi5in [talk] 20:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

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Did you really served in Iraq?
I thought there were no Malayalees in Iraq. Axxn (talk) 04:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey old friend...
... I am not seeing you around these days ? hope things are ok ! --  Tinu  Cherian  - 05:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Hope to catch u in Wiki soon. Axxn (talk) 08:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Classification of Nairs as per Chaturvarna
The article contains total misrepresentation on the classification of Nairs in Caste heirarchy. Nairs were classified as Shudras though they enjoyed a much higher position than that associated with Shudras. Their position was at it's peak from 15th century to 19th century AD. Nairs are not allowed to wear the sacred thread, which are worn by Kshtriyas. The caste system in Kerala was not exactly synonymous to Chaturvarna. For example, there are no Vaishya community in Kerala though members of Ezhava, Christian, Muslim and Chettiar communities were involved in trade. ’

Classification of Nairs as per Chaturvarna
The article contains total misrepresentation on the classification of Nairs in Caste heirarchy. Nairs were classified as Shudras though they enjoyed a much higher position than that associated with Shudras. Their position was at it's peak from 15th century to 19th century AD. Nairs are not allowed to wear the sacred thread, which are worn by Kshtriyas. The caste system in Kerala was not exactly synonymous to Chaturvarna. For example, there are no Vaishya community in Kerala though members of Ezhava, Christian, Muslim and Chettiar communities were involved in trade. ’

Hai...
Hey...Know me??????

Also you look so dormant now.....Did you orphan Nair article????

Pls Reply...

ARUNKUMAR P.R 10:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

You are Back!!!!!
Yipee!!!!!Vivin is back on Wiki......Hope to see ur edits soon......  A r  u  N KumaR T  a  l  K 03:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Its great to see you back....I myself was out for almost 1 year....I still remember the days when i got into trouble and you rescued me from it.....I feel silly for those bygone days...I made such silly statements and irked some editors...... :D....

Then, I hope that you will be active now on.... Did you pursue your MBA???

 A r  u  N KumaR T  a  l  K 03:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Nairs and Chaturvarnya
Hello Vivin

The Brahmins were monopolizing the scholarly realm of the whole of India and they interpolated their own agenda at all places. The Chaturvarnya system is similar to the Class system proposed by Karl Marx, which was later propagated by Marxist scholars. The Chaturvarnya system is never seen in its full application in any part of India. Only in some parts of UP, we can observe some semblance of Chaturvarnya attitudes. But Nemesis is catching up. Recently the socio-political situation in UP is showing an absurd pattern with Brahmins joining with Mayawati for political and financial benefits. The development of castes in India was a long drawn out procedure. The so-called Brahmins were all migrants in all parts of India, whether it is Bengal, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, Karnataka or Kerala. Wherever they went, they created hierarchies to suit their financial and social status. But, these hierarchies were never commensurate with the ground realities. [The same is the case with Marxists who assign status as Bourgeoisie and proletariat to people according to their foolish class theory.] In original Sind, caste system was non-existent and Brahmins had to be imported for priestly jobs. Mighty groups like Yadavas, Jats, Kayasthas, Marathas, Thevars (Maravas), Kammas, Reddys, Bunts (Matrilineal Shettys of South Karnataka to which Aishwarya Rai belongs) and numerous other similar castes were classified as Sudras by the self-styled Pundits belonging to the Brahmin community. Lord Krishna belonged to the Yadava community and interestingly Brahmins do Pooja to Him. The Brahmin caste itself is an assorted community with many groups assuming Brahminship clandestinely. The Brahmins thrived on the business of knowledge. In fact, the creators of knowledge were mostly from other castes or communities. Brahmins were just collecting, preserving and using it. They imparted knowledge only selectively for their own benefits. The classification of Sudra is done by the ruling class by referring to the Pundits, just as we are nowadays referring to any printed text and assigning authenticity. This is a tricky case.

The Brahmins, in connivance with the few elevated fake Kshatriyas of Kerala, had deliberately assigned “Sudra” status to Nairs. They propagated books like “Kerala Mahatmyam” for that. By strictly adhering to the criteria for Kshatriya caste, Nairs can be classed as Kshatriyas, if we follow the Chaturvarnya. But things became hotchpotch. The claim of being “Nagavanshi” is disputable. It is better to do away with the Chaturvarnya nonsense. Similar claims can be seen elsewhere. Pallas of Tamil Nadu claim that they belong to “Devendrakula Kshatriya” caste. Actually they are from Scheduled Caste division. Pallas are constantly battling with Thevars leading to fisticuffs and murders to get proper status in society.

I did some editing in the Nair page deleting some unsubstantiated assertions which may create communal frictions. I finally gave up because of the intimidating attitude of some editors. Yes, we could have highlighted the courageous resistance of Nairs to repulse Haider’s onslaughts on Malabar. We could have highlighted the Guerilla war conducted by the Nairs by retreating to the Western Ghat forests during Tippu’s control on Malabar for about 9 years till 1792. That was a relentless war. Tippu’s proclamations to Nairs to stop war were imploring in their style and sometimes witty even. Such details could have been added without communal overtures. You may please see the Discussion page of Nair.

According to C.V. Raman Pillai, Nairs are the Kannu and Karalu of Malayala Nadu who have protected the land from time immemorial. It is true that you have fulfilled the inherent duty of a Nair by participating in a real War. Congratulations!!

som123 164.100.1.17 (talk) 11:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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Bye and Happy Christmas


''Please accept my advanced Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.I will not be able to wish you on those days as I will be taking a Wiki break for one month starting tomorrow. Also wishing you a Happy editing.. :) '' arun  talk  06:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Nair page
Belated Happy new year Dear user Vivin, you use to actively and impartially moderate many discussions in the nayar page against incorporation of incorrect peacocking and balancing views of multiple users. Your participation is very much missed on the talk pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.147.157.18 (talk) 10:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I haven't been active on Wikipedia for a while - been rather busy. Will try to get on the Nair page soon! -- vi5in [talk] 21:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

If I could get your opinion
Hello, I noticed that you tagged this article with a POV tag once but then removed it in a subsequent edit. After reading through the article, I have come to the conclusion that the article is referenced with credible sources but I feel that the article does have a certain POV feel to it. I was just curious what prompted you to remove the tag that you previously inserted and whether you think the article in its present state suffers from some form of bias. Thanks, Vedant (talk) 02:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The limited number of referenced sources was my thought too. However, there doesn't seem to be much information related to the incident at Lal Chowk from other sources. While I have issues with the editor's motives, I believe his edits to be well-researched and well-written which is why I decided to remove the POV tags. Thanks anyways for taking a look at the article. Vedant (talk) 00:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

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paliyath achan
hi vivin, as a part of a docu fiction that we are doing for the paliyam museum at chendamangalam, i'm trying to read upon the paliyam tharavadu and the kovilakom there. would you be able to help me? my email id is mayhemrem@gmail.com Pls write in to me if you are willing to help. cheers, remya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.117.217.130 (talk) 17:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

New article
Wotcher,

How about starting a new article called "Langauges of Kerala" ?

(Rameez pp (talk) 08:01, 2 May 2011 (UTC))

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hi
hi,this is krishna from chennai in madipakkam.just i selected my new kid name vivin, so i want to know the meaning of vivin. cheers, krishna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.214.79.118 (talk) 18:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Kerala folk dance-Sangha Kali
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Rajkumar Kanagasingam
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Paliath achen revision
Dear Sir,

May I please know as to why you have deleted the paragraphs on the Paliyam satyagraha? It holds a great importance in the history of Kerala and is strongly interlinked with the Paliath achens. The paragraphs i added were from a pdf file that i found, which had the topic something along the lines of labour class efforts in Kerala during and after independence. The Paliam satyagraha is one of a kind, which kind of united the different castes of Kerala and was something like a unified struggle. In addition to this, the article mentioned about the press' reaction to the issue and the Paliam family members at that time. Although some members were silent on this issue(which includes my ancestors), there were obviously others who thought that this was wrong and rebelled against it.The one's who were orthodox and in their own rights had their reasoning of the roads belonging to the Paliam family thereby making it their private property. I thought this point was key to be highlighted(Sorry that I put in the names of some members, forgot to remove them while I edited). So, do you not think,considering all the points that I have given above, that we should re-edit the Paliam satyagraha subheading in the Paliath Achan page? Or maybe we could make a new page for it separately as well? Pedia.01110 (talk) 19:53, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It was largely original research and read like an essay, along with a large amount of editorialization. Also there was a lot of information that was repeated. Maybe the whole thing can be rewritten. I left some of the key parts in when I deleted the changes. vi5in [talk] 03:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello again,
 * Any idea abt the history of thekke madhom(Present Nss Karyogam) in Paliam? I was hoping you would be having some info abt it since you belong to the family......when i checked Paliam online tripod website, it was mentioned beside Paliath Kochunni Achan(who I can't say for sure if he is my great-great grandfather or not since it is a name that is homonymous in the Paliam family through generations). I was just inquisitive abt this man since we really don't have much info abt him except for the fact that his daughter married another Paliath Achan(my great grandad) . Hoping for a reply....thx Pedia.01110 (talk) 06:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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