User talk:Vivin/Archive 4

re:re:hey
Heya,...well the name "pushpaka brahmin" in itself is wrong. Ive rewritten the ambalavasi article. Check it out. btw they had nothing to do with the brahmin community. Manu
 * Well ive edited the Ambalavasi article...just need to get the Pushpaka Brahmin deleted now. Manu

removing facts from nair art.
sir i see that you removed cited fcats from Nair article. i request you not to allow your prejudices gain upperhand over factuality. regards. M T N

you are mistaken sir. did you ever bother to read the paragraph i added? it is a specialist treatise specially for nairs and written by one belonging to that community. if marriage puberty ceremonies etc can be dealt with at length, the sexual part also needs to be treated. my opinion is that apart from mentioning this book in the article Samyogasuktha needs to have an article for itself.M.T. Narayanan 16:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Urgent Attention
Hello Vivin,

Lately i obtained a very old book (edition dated 1972) with title "Kerala" written by "Krishna Chaitanya", which vastly describes about everything any one wants to know about Kerala.Reffering to this book, i have planned to add 4 more topic to Malayalee article namely Races of Kerala, Sculpture, Painting and Crafts.I will finish this work on 22nd of July 2007.

The book was published by National Book Trust,India and was part of the series India-Land and People.I did not find any ISBN number on the book.It costed 9.50 Rs.

I want your valauble attention and full help in this venture.I don't think this book has some new editions.So can you build a database for the book from where i can give citations for my work?

Pls reply.....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 09:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hai Vivin,

I got the book in Udupi Muncipal Library.The condition of the book is very pathetic.The information of thhe book on history, sculpture, crafts, painting are all relevent.Yes of course the other contents are not relevent as it is written in it that the literacy percentage in Kerala at that time was 60% and that of whole India is 29%!

Pls reply....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 08:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

POV Issue
Dear Vivin,

I had posted a POV in the Nair article to initaiate a positive talk on the subject of Caste vs Community and cited ample reasons backed by quoting prominent Articles available including views of none less that Sreemad Chattambi Swamy,the pioneer of social reforms and authority on the Nair Community.

Someone has deleted the same. This is quiet unfortunate and is not in good spirits and defies logic.

Please take time out to visit the following to understand my point of view.

http://www.nairs.org/home.php?swami http://www.nairs.org/home.php?aboutnairs

Thanks Malabarspices 07:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Nair- A Community
Dear Vivin

As you suggested, i have put up the new topic on the issue, backed by facts. The only intention is to highlight a fact which is generally overlooked. Please go through the same. A "Community" provides perfect neutrality as opposed to "Caste" and "Tribe". Hence please relook the same and edit the "Caste" portion in the Introduction part to "Community". I am sure that it makes a lot of sense to the Whole article and will widen the scope to even earlier Historic periods.Malabarspices 07:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Community -Not Caste
Dear Vivin

I attempted for a debate brother. But things dont seem to move in the right spirits of a free media with induviduals "reaffirming" alternate views without any relevant links or documents.

I am going to start protesting via POV's ,if debates are one sided inorder to challenge such "authoritarian" views which are seemingly baseless.Malabarspices 17:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Paliath Achan
Hey vivin, Ur article on Paliath Achan states that he was second in power to the Rajah of Cochin. I found mention in the TSM volume I which states otherwise. It infact states that the Paliath Achan was the ruler of Cochin during Marthanda Varma's times and that the Cochin Rajah had retired to a village known as Alwaye. Additional sentences in the same para lead me to believe that the Paliath Achan or Paliath Menon was the sole power in Cochin and the Rajah was more of a rubber stamp who from his village residence merely attested every act of the Achan. So technically while subordinate to the Rajah, it was the Achan who was the ruler, as clearly mentioned and that deserves mention. Cya :-) Manu
 * Ok i was wrong...the Cochin rajah had become almost a mere rubber stamp by the late 18th century, during Dharmarajahs reign...and the cochin rajah sided with the british so that he could get rid of the Paliath achan..Manu

The Nair Community
Dear Vipin,

Please find some relevant data and authoritative texts for your reference. See i thought all over again and again. "The Nair Community" is really apt.

http://www.nairs.org/home.php?aboutnairs http://www.nairs.org/home.php?swami http://www.nairs.org/home.php?keralahistory

http://www.nairs.in/social.htm http://www.nairs.in/nair.htm http://www.nairs.in/different.htm

http://www.shelterbelt.com/KJ/khnairs.html

Kerala
Hello Vivin,

Finally i have found the web address of the publisher of the book-Kerala.It is here.Pls have a look at it.

Yes..Yes, I have found its isbn number: it is

ISBN 81-237-0751-7, ofcourse that of new edition.

Pls reply....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 12:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Paliath Achan again
Hey vivin, uve added a picture of Paliath Achan in the article. Could u add the years between which he remained so..is it the last minister of Cochin? or is it a later Paliath Achan? Do add the date. Cya Manu

Malayalam_language
Please see "-r ending for personal names" in Discussion.Bharatveer 12:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)Bharatveer 12:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hai
Hello Vivin,

My work finished earlier.Sorry that i could not contact you.I had given the ISBN of the book?Have you reviewed it?Pls reply...

ARUNKUMAR P.R 09:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Userpage Tampered
Hi Vivin,

Seems like someone really wants to play around with my profile.

Can you help revert it to the Old Form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Malabarspices

Please also help finding out whos doing this mess.

Thanks

Malabarspices

Thanks
Thanks for the input.Malabarspices 12:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Nair
Hi, You might want to look further back in the history on this one. There was a section partly deleted which I did not revert for fear of reverting to a worse version. Cheers Kevin 23:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Vivin
Can you please explain me, why Rama's Setu is renamed to Adam's Bridge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathurr (talk • contribs)

Hi Vivin
Arunkumar P.R 06:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Vivin are you there?
Hello Vivin,

Its long that i heard from you.I am happy to say that i will be adding one more section to page Malayalee on 22nd july.Also, its my feeling, you are a well experienced wikipedian and has been in wikipedia for a long time. I think you must stand as a candidate for the admin post.I will give you a strong support.:)

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 05:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

help sought
sir, a friend suggested me that I contact you about a problem with an article. i made some postive contributions to nayar (not nair as the name is) yday. one called manu came and removed all changes. he gives the reasons as that namboodhiri spelling I used is not in use here. as you know, namboodhiri is the now more used spelling. an internet search will make this clear. so, i t hink namboothiri should me renamed as namboodhiri, which is more usual spelling in modern period. i also request you to warn mr manu about removing positive contributions. thank you. tranquilmind Tranquilmind 06:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Best of Luck!!!
Hello Vivin,

Best of luck for the MBA course.My support is with you always.:)

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 06:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

hey...
hi vivin.. ma name is arjun and im related to da paliam family ... da list of valiyachan's ws wrong towards da end... i edited it ....np..but i jus wanted u to know t....da valiya achan nw is vikraman achan ...hez ma grand pop's bro...but i'll make it complete as soon as i confirm when he became da valiya achan....ok..tc... cya. arjun[aka]jun...

Re: Garbage on the Nair page
I was going to revert it but ud already done that...neways we will leave a mesg stating why its been reverted..and good u reverted the list of notable nairs too...the article looks kinda too long and monotonous coz of that...i guess it was better separate only...neways Manu
 * See i have pointed out some animated contents in Nair article to its talk page. I was expecting a constructive discussion on that points. But expectation was never met.Even, I was forced to reply to some of the comments there. See i have not edited any content from that artcle(though i could have done so.) which is not the case of other users like Manu who remove the content without any discussions. I think you have got my point. Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 16:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well yes, but the issue seems to always degenerate into pointless caste-bashing. I mean, what's the point? We want to better the article, not fight over who is bigger, badder, or better. -- vi5in [talk] 17:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess everyone agrees with Vivin on that. I'm not completely back from my Wikibreak yet. But I'll be around now and then. The article is on my watchlist.--thunderboltz(TALK) 10:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Arattupuzha Velayudha Panicker
There are proper references on the page. Some details available here expecially page num 157 Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 10:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

pic's wrong...!!
hey...arjun here again...sry..but it came to the notice of my grand father that the pic u put up for Govindan Achan...is actually not his...that is a pic of another Veliachan....popularly known as the "Kasiyil vechu naadu neengiya valiachan..."and he died in the yr 1898. thx... try changin da info..k tc....byee Arjun..[aka]...JUN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.96.26.36 (talk) 13:46, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Results for AfD on Dravidian civilizations article
Hi,

Here is the outcome of the final decision for AfD on the Dravidian civilizations article:

The result was no consensus to delete; defaulting to keep. This is most certainly not a 'hoax'; there are plenty of sources to show that this is a valid concept. However, the views of the Community were split down the middle with strong opinions on both sides. What is clear is that there are significant parts of the article that are disputed and the way forward is for those concerned editors to initiate a thorough-going rewrite. TerriersFan 20:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC) Wiki Raja 23:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Adam's Bridge
Vivin, I have started some clean up efforts at this article so that it is better referenced, and covers more topic than the natural/man-made debate. Any help will be appreciated! Cheers. Abecedare 00:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! When I read through the article last week I noticed that it only dealt with the man-made/natural controversy engendered by the Sethusamudram Shipping Canal Project and all the references were news sources related to this project. Since then I have tried to add sources explaining the etymology of the two names and some details of the geological history and early surveys/attempts at dredging. These sections of course need to be fleshed out further so that this is an encyclopedic article about the geographical feature, rather than just a news summary of recent controversies. Any help with sources, content material and keeping the trolling SPAs at bay (as you have been doing for a long time!) would be helpful. Regards. Abecedare 23:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Recent Edits
Some your edits in the article Ezhava are without valid footnotes. Like main artcle template location is changed in sections, removal of Mopla Rebellion section etc. Some datas also lost because of that. chela kalapam may not be part of indian independent movement. But certainly part freedom movement among opressed classes. Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 13:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am user for last 3 years. That doesnt mean all you edits as per wiki guidelines. You added many content without citing valid sources. See the content has been taken from reliable sources. on Google search you can find many.

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 07:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * One more request. The Ezhava article is a well maintained and weel referenced article. So please dont destroy its content and tone. I have asked the references for certain content added to some wiki articles. But that does mean to stress you up. please dont bear such misunderstanding.

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 14:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * --User:Vivin, Please refrain from all personal attacks. Please see WP:NPA. You may want to note as well that I i have just asked for citation and refernce. Nothing else. Please provide me a reference which says the word mala and aali came from tamil(we all know these words are there in many south indian languages and simhla-thats word simhala itself have formed). I am agreeing to fact that malayalam has developed independantly with more interaction with Tamil. Malayalm also has aborbed words from sanskrit, arabic, roman, percian, urdu etc.Instead quoting Nairs are the only community which followed Marumakkathayam, Serpent worship, kali worship, kalaripayattu, add many communities in kerala followed these cutoms. And you can add this to a common section. If you have solid reference that only nairs practised it please go ahead and remove from all the articles which have similar content. thats it.

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 05:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Have you noticed that your latest edits from ezhava article removed some content? i have reverted your revision however i have retained the copy edit template though.Tulu war 15:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

You can go ahead and add the merge template. before removing content just initaite a discussion Tulu war 15:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC) please compare with my rv. still some correction needed infoTulu war 15:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to stay out of this because it is too sensitive. Pandoru caste article improve cheyyan nokki kai polliyathil pinne, caste articles edit cheyyarilla. Tintin 20:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * None of the old editors are active now - Deepu, Raghu, Jisha, Rajesh etc all edit now and then but are not consistently active. Tintin 02:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Its not the article that you can list out all the customs and tradition of aparticular community. You have a separate article where you can add details. For that pupose you have added main template for linking to specified article.

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 05:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from all personal attacks. Please refer WP:NPA. There are no varified sources on the document. Not a single statement which i have asked for have been varified. Also please dont revert the changes. It has many content that main article dont. Also wiki is not the place to add your political interest and caste supremacy.

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 09:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Requesting for the last time,Please refrain from all personal attacks. Please refer again WP:NPA. Nothing has been varified and its not the place to add your personnal interest

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 06:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * please dont vandalise article with solid refrences. The prophet refrences are added. Also about business families ref are available. please see the page which shows the census of 1931.Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 05:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Vivin
Hi Vivin,

Long time no see.Whats all the fuss going around in Malayalee article?

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 08:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Vivin,

I need your attention to the following articles:

1.Unification of Karnataka

2.Kannada Raksha Vedika

These articles are promoting language fundamentalism.

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 12:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Nairs
I have made the pages List of Nairs, List of Ezhavas, List of Namboothiris similar to List of Rajputs, List of Iyers, etc. Please feel free to add names to the list. I have also added some pictures to the Nair article relating to the history of Nairs, and if you have some suitable pictures, it would be much appreciated if it could be used to make the article better. Thanks!Malayaliyan 07:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Nairs tc
Hi, I observed the article Malayalee..it is of full mistake whn concerned with castes.About Ambalavasi's someone is saying they are the sons of Nayars which is utter rubbish. But it is very sad to see these ind of wars for mere caste purpose. I had severe difficulties in writing Nambiar (Ambalavasi), Ambalavasi etc.

Lines like: Likewise the Chakyars have originated from the union of a Kshatriya male and a Namboodiri female....''The Ambalavasis proper including Warriers, Pothuvals, save for the Pisharodys have originated from prohibited unions between Nair men and Namboodiri women. Since they came from a patriarchal Brahmin mother and a matriarchal Nair father they were given a position below the Brahmins but above the Nairs'' are utter nonsense! I will also try to edit. But plz understand one othing-you will see lot of pro-Nair persons here with some kind of vengeance.go through this Sreekanthv 08:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Malayalee
Sorry, but I don't think I know any experts on the subject. Try checking out who else edits Dravidian language articles. They may be of assistance. Nishkid64 (talk) 16:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Malayalee
Well, the whole dispute was over who was right and who was wrong. You keep saying they're wrong, and they keep saying you're wrong. As an administrator, I'm not supposed to take sides, so I won't. Please continue the discussion, and reach a peaceful compromise. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 00:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * than unneccerily playing like this please acept the compromise proposed

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 05:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Malayalee
I'll try to add my two cents at the discussion, but if I can't offer any assistance, the next path would be to file a case at WP:MEDCOM. Perhaps someone there could help resolve the issue. Nishkid64 (talk) 16:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Re to Ezhava
Sure Vivin I would be happy to help. I feel the Ezhava editors seem to have an group inferiority complex, which shouldn't be the case, however despite this I totally agree that it contains some levels of POV, the information concerning the community is generally cherry picked and misleading, and the article generally poorly written. However I feel editing the content in a more objective way will be thrown back by revert happy Ezhava users who seem set to co-operate to keep the article showing a rosy POV history of the community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B Nambiar (talk • contribs) 17:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * User Nambiar added Ezhavas are daliths. is this the way to help you out? I doubt both the user vivin and Nambiar are one and the same.Tulu war 07:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Re Paliath Achan
Thanks for taking the tag so constructively. I still think it needs more citations but it is great that you are working on it and it will encourage others to do the same so it is fine with me if you leave the template off. A good thing to remember, if you are really interested in the article, is that if you find information in it that you feel is incorrect, you can remove it if it is not sourced. Any editor can remove unsourced material. Good work and thanks for the message! Regards, -- Mattisse 20:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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Fairuse rationales
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Re: Woohoo
Hey! Great to hear there is some real discussion going on now. My wiki activity will be limited for the foreseeable future. So little scope for any intervention from my side. And yeah, it's crazy that your cousin actually studies with me! (she is one of the most sociable-yet-brainy ppl I know. hehe..) --thunderboltz(TALK) 09:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Aspirated stops
You asked about aspirated stops. In simple terms these are sounds that are produced with a lot of air (aspiration). The "stops" refer to those sounds that are made by stopping completely the flow of air. In English, they are /p/, /t/, /k/, /b/, /d/, and /g/. In each case, the air is, if only for a moment, completely stopped by some constriction in the speech apartus (teeth, lips, tongue, or various places in the mouth). In general, in English, the voiced stops (/b/, /d/, /g/) are unaspirated, that is, they are produced without a strong expiration on the release of the sounds. However, the voicless stops (/p/, /t/, /k/) in Enlish are generally strongly aspirated, that is, a strong expiration follows the production of each sound. However, if these voiceless stops follow an /s/, then they are not aspirated. For example, the [p] sound in pin is aspirated but in spin it is unaspirated. Interlingua 19:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey Vivin, I think I saw your profile on facebook through the Nair community.B Nambiar 14:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Mappila Malayalam
In view of your contributions to Malayalam language, Articles for deletion/Mappila Malayalam may benefit from your input. Please consider participating in that discussion. -- Jreferee    t / c  06:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Malayalam language edit
I just reverted your edit to Malayalam language because it appeared to remove the rest of the page. This probably wasn't intentional, so I'm just letting you know. :) Cheers, Nihiltres { t .l } 19:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem, but I'd recommend that you be careful. :) Nihiltres { t .l } 19:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Mr Vivn
Thanks for spceial interest and contribution to Ezhava related pages. hopes you show will same interest toi the nonsense to nair related pages. Do you think Nair article is full of nonsense? List of Nairs is subjected to delete just like List of enotable ezhavas. Nambiar (Nair Subcaste)has a large family listing and people listing which are not at all referenced. Its better we unneccarily go into a caste war. We will forced come and prove as nairs women are prostitutes (i can show 100s blogs on the net which proves that done bye some people who have been humiliated by the nair fanactis of wiki). 04:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah whatever. If you want to send those up to an AfD, please do so. I believe Ricky showed you. In fact, I was involved in an AfD for List of Nairs and I suggested that it be deleted until names can be properly sourced. As far as "proving" "Nair women are prostitutes". Ooh I am so scared. I do not take idle threats very seriously. I believe you raised this issue on the talk page and you were shot down, many times with proof and references. You were asked to prove your point and you failed to do so. Blogs are not reliable. Have a nice day. -- vi5in [talk] 00:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * please visit here for all answers. it wud be worse in future would come in website too. All best for being one among that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.236.218.13 (talk) 07:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Ezhava
The Ezhava stuff just got a whole lot more interesting. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Would you mind making a note on the noticeboard (while it's says administrators, really anyone can go there) describing it a bit? I'd like to have someone else confirm it.  It might require full protection, and massive blocks to keep under control. I am just hoping for some discussion because it could be a really good article. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * See WP:AN but this is not going well, to say the least. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Biased Edits
The User_talk:Vivin was working on Ezhava and nair related pages. He including POVs in naor page and while adding false information about ezhavas in ezhava article and was removing a lot information in that article like this. Its true that the issue is being discussed in orkut and i am one of the member of the that forum and even some went and faxed to SNDP yogam(an organizatuon of the ezhavas).

There are many books written on Sambandam(literally means Sexual relationship). And all the books says One section of the nair woman did prostituion which like americal prostituite which is actively dicussed in Talk:Nair. A lot of infromation is lost in ezhav article by the edits of Ricky81682 and User_talk:Vivin. Tn pillai (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Whatever. Go away. -- vi5in [talk] 17:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Speedies
Hi, Vivin! I assume you're talking about Pallathu Raman‎ and M. K. Sanoo. There are two other ways to try to delete an article - WP:PROD and WP:AFD. Let me know if you have any questions about either process. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

khalistan movement
ok well sorry... it wasnt my intention to hurt you.. and you are a good contributer.. Sunnybondsinghjalwehra (talk) 17:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Heloo Vivin the article is about Khalistan and not terrorism. The unregistered user wants to link Sikhs with terrorism but at the same time delete references to state terror. I don't think the list of terror organisations has relevance here. More information about the concept of Khalistan is needed. Otherewise add all the reference to state terror against Sikhs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.244.27 (talk) 07:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Articles up for deletion
Hey Vivin, if you woudn't mind can you put your two cents on this issue,[] cheers.Nambiar (talk) 03:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Kiryathil Nair
Kiryathil Nair page is deleted. is it possible to restore it. He is the new avatar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Avineshjose —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.207.46 (talk) 07:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)