User talk:Vivo4

I have two questions which are driving me near-crazy. Everything I get referred to in your FAQ or other tutorial pages opens up thousands of comments, none of which bear directly on my questions. Question #1: I am a total newbie. I am doing my best. I created an article "Chor Leoni Men's Choir" the day before yesterday. Within 12 hours there was a prod tag on it saying it would be deleted as "spam" in 5 days. I went through the copy and tried to remove anything even slightly subjective. The prod tag remains. I have started up a discussion page for the article to explain my mistakes. The prod tag remains. I have been told all over the place in FAQs/tutorial pages that I can remove the prod tag myself, but NOWHERE do can I find any info on HOW to remove a prod tag. I don't see it in code on the page. Is there a tab or button somewhere that I'm missing? Question #2: I am trying to include the choir's logo in the article. Although a non-free image, this is the choir's logo and they permit downloading of the logo for publicity use from their own website. I have corrected the image page to include a rationale for its use and uploaded it to Wikipedia Commons, but don't know what steps I have to take from there to actually make the image show up in the article. I'm NOT stupid, I'm really not! Vivo4 (talk) 23:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:ChorLeoni-300dpi.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:ChorLeoni-300dpi.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 02:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:ChorLeoni-300dpi.jpg)
Thanks for uploading Image:ChorLeoni-300dpi.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 12:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Help
what help do you need? ~ LegoKontribsTalkM 23:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I have two questions which are driving me near-crazy. Everything I get referred to in your FAQ or other tutorial pages opens up thousands of comments, none of which bear directly on my questions. Question #1: I am a total newbie. I am doing my best. I created an article "Chor Leoni Men's Choir" the day before yesterday. Within 12 hours there was a prod tag on it saying it would be deleted as "spam" in 5 days. I went through the copy and tried to remove anything even slightly subjective. The prod tag remains. I have started up a discussion page for the article to explain my mistakes. The prod tag remains. I have been told all over the place in FAQs/tutorial pages that I can remove the prod tag myself, but NOWHERE do can I find any info on HOW to remove a prod tag. I don't see it in code on the page. Is there a tab or button somewhere that I'm missing? Question #2: I am trying to include the choir's logo in the article. Although a non-free image, this is the choir's logo and they permit downloading of the logo for publicity use from their own website. I have corrected the image page to include a rationale for its use and uploaded it to Wikipedia Commons, but don't know what steps I have to take from there to actually make the image show up in the article. I'm NOT stupid, I'm really not! Vivo4 (talk) 23:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the spam prod tag, LegoKTM. Is there really a way I could have done it myself?


 * You can remove it buy pressing the edit this page button at the top and then deleted that tag. Glad to help ~ LegoKontribsTalkM 23:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Providing references/footnotes
Try to convert those external links you added to the Chor Leoni article into something like either footnoted or Harvard style(separate inline citation and listed citation) references if you can, just external links are not really preferred. The usage of citation templates is not encouraged or discouraged in policy, but there seems to be a general preference towards their usage in articles. I've changed one link to a footnote using a combination of Magnus' citation tool and manual entry into the Cite web template so you can see what the difference is (diff). -Optigan13 (talk) 04:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I have made the conversions of links about the prizes into references as you suggested. I have also added third party references re: the general aspects of the choir. I hope that's sufficient to allow me or someone to remove at least the notability and reference tags from the article. It would also be helpful to know how to link a "List of Choirs" listing to this article. Vivo4 (talk) 06:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed the Notability and unreferenced tags. To link a list of choirs and other related fields you'll want to add categories and maybe a see also section. To add categories add tags like for each category the name applies to (See the Categories link in your welcome message for more info). You'll be adding those tags beneath the external links section. Once you've saved those the categories will show up in a gray bar at the bottom of the page. You may also want to add a See also section to your article above the references section and below the rest of the article. -Optigan13 (talk) 06:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Logos/Images
Before it is deleted add a Non-free use rationale to the image being used in the article as well as a Information for a convenient summary of the image. -Optigan13 (talk) 07:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I had thought that LegoTMK had edited/commented on the image sufficiently. I have added a non-free use rationale template to the image in the article, but am not sure that's where the rationale belongs. It seems to make be cumbersome and awkward appearing at the start of the article. Help? Vivo4 (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Fair Use Rationale goes on the Image's page(Image:ChorLeoni-300dpi.jpg), in the Licensing section underneath the Non-Free Logo tag. So just cut and paste that from the article itself to the image page. The Information template would go under the Summary Heading.
 * Also the categories that are red do not currently exist. This may be because the name is a little off, or because category is too broad or too narrow, or several other possible reasons.
 * With regards to the naming, take a look at Naming conventions, for guidance on how to name the article.
 * You probably want to bring up questions/post your responses here on your talk page as opposed to the article's talk page, so the conversation sticks together, and a lot of the conversation is on more basic how-to do processes. -Optigan13 (talk) 00:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips on how to fix the image, Optigan13. It looks a whole lot better now. The other editor did up the page layout for me, after my stumbling attempts. I just can't figure out how some of those choirs have their own pages with fully capitalized headings while this choir can't/doesn't. Vivo4 (talk) 01:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Chor leoni men's choir
A tag has been placed on Chor leoni men's choir requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Mdsummermsw (talk) 12:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see my response to your comments on my talk page. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see my response to your comments on my talk page. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Adopt offer
We had a rough start and I'd like to see if I can set things right by offering whatever guidance I can. I can't spell and I tend toward deletionism, but I think I have something to offer. You might be more comfortable with someone you have... urm... less baggage with, though. Your call. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you've accepted my offer! I went ahead and updated the tag on your user page and mine. To lessen the clutter and possible confusion, I've taken the liberty of creating a subpage for our back and forth conversation at User:Vivo4/Feedback. If you would like, you can add a shotcut to it on your user page to make it easier to get to. In any event, I've copied your most recent post to my talk page to the Feedback page to get on with it. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)