User talk:Vlatkoto/Archive 1

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 * Hello, Vlatkoto. The pictures you uploaded are beautiful, but are you sure they meet Wikipedia's policies on using things that are copyrighted? Those policies are important because they help us comply with laws. If you have any questions, you can ask me, and if I don't know the answer I will find someone who can help. Please let me know if you looked at the page on copyright, OK? You can reply here. Jonathunder 14:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Jonathunder,I'Macedonian,but i havven't still looked at the page of copyright,but i'm still new in and im trieing to do it according to the rules,the pictures that i uploaded are with permision to be used,in future i'll add text about the articles.

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Your message
Hello, Vlatkoto. Thank you for the message on my talk page. I am not an expert on that part of the world, having never been there. Most of my editing for articles in Southeastern Europe consists of improving the wording, making the English more precise or more natural, and sometimes trying to make articles have a more nuetral point of view. There have not been many editors from the RoM here on the English language Wikipedia, so I am glad to welcome another. Do you have a digital camera? Can you add pictures that are not from websites? (Most pictures from websites give us copyright problems--we have to be careful about that.) I hope you like it here. Jonathunder 13:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Concerning Ancient Macedonians
Hi Vlatkotko. If I ever missed of respect to you then accept my apologies; I would never do intentionally such a thing to a fellow-lover of The Lord of the Rings ;-) As for Ancient Macedonians, what I objected to was that it appeared from your edit that the slavic tribes had merged with a distinct Macedonian ethnicity in the 6th century; this is not accepted by any non-macedonian scholars, because it is accepted that the ancient Macedonian language started vanishing in the 4th century BC, substituted by koiné Greek; a quite common thing, that happened also to many Anatolian and other Balcanic people. Scholars so believe that Macedonians had been thoroughly hellenized by when the Slavs arrived, and (very probably) merged with them. As for the other objection, if I get it right that you're speaking of the introduction summary of the article, you mustn't make confusion between Bulgars and Bulgarians; the first are Turkish-speaking, the second Slavic-speaking, and it is told by Theophanes and Nicephorus, and confirmed by the Oxford Byzantine Dictionary, that a group of Bulgars settled early in Macedonia, Pelagonia maybe, but I would have to control. I hope to have awnered your problems. Aldux 15:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your edit in the Greece article
I reverted this edit you made in the Greece article. I understand that this is your point of view, and I respect that although as a Greek I disagree with it, but in wikipedia we do our best for WP:NPOV. And it is POVish to insert such a phrase in the leading section of an article about a country. Please refrain from doing such narrow minded edits.

-- Michalis Famelis 00:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

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Rewriting Articles
Vlatko, in response to your message on my talk page ... I think that's a great idea! In fact, I even started something similar on my older user page (which has since been deleted). I had rewritten articles such as "Macedonian Orthodox Church" and "Macedonians (ethnic group)" ... do you think a portal-type setup would be appropriate for indexing the articles? I don't think it would be appropriate to have them on subpages (of user pages) as you suggested. Maybe we could ask some administrators for their views and suggestions on how to go about starting a project like this? I think it would also be useful if we included such users as Macedonia, Bomac, FlavrSavr etc. Please get back to me on my talk page, thanks. --Daniel Tanevski talk 14:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this idea, and as you can see, I have some minor articles on my user page similar to what you want to do. Feel free to tell me or ask me anything concerning this new progect. - Macedonia

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Здраво!
OK, многу ми е мило што ти се допадна порталот. Сепак, за неговата конструкција е заслужен Битола. Само треба да избегнуваме едит-војни со Грците или Бугарите. Да се потрудиме да дадеме информации за да ја запознаат луѓето Македонија што подобро, како земја со висока култура и долга историско-културна традиција. Поздрав - Bomac 15:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

RFAR
I filed a request for arbitration for the naming conventions of the Macedonia related articles: RFAR. I have listed you as a party involved. Bitola 14:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

False Friends of the Slavist
Please have a look at False Friends of the Slavist. With your language skills, you can help us very much there, though there is not too much to be done. See also wikibooks:Talk:False Friends of the Slavist for details on what is still needed. Thanks in advance! --Daniel Bunčić 18:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Bitola 15:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you,

StrangerInParadise 23:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Republic of Macedonia in the Article Improvement Drive
Hey Vlatkoto, I recently nominated the Republic of Macedonia article as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. The drive is a great way to get articles up to Featured Article Status. I hope you will take the time to visit the AID and vote for Republic of Macedonia! Below is the comment I wrote when I nominated the article. --Caponer 03:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

"The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia makes an excellent candidate for the Article Improvement Drive because it is very close to reaching featured article status in both content and layout. I feel as if we should always be focusing on articles that only require minor adjustments and additions in the AID instead of those that need complete and total reworking, and this is one that will only require a week to make the small adjustments required. Macedonia deserves a spotlight since it is poised to become a member state of the European Union and is a state that we will be hearing much more about in the news in the years to come. Its location adjacent to Albania and Kosovo will also make it a player in the upcoming debate over Kosovo's independence movement. I just feel it will be a fabulous choice and I hope you will think so, too. --Caponer 17:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)"

Irredentism
Hi, you made this edit, I'm afraid it's not true, the Republic of Macedonia's government makes no land claims (whether it used to is another question). You are confusing the MacSlav nationalist mythology with official government policy. I hope you don't mind, but I have taken the liberty of rewording it to reflect the actual situation. Regards, --Latinus 20:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Итно!
Дојди да видиш во што те вовлече FunkyFly во Дискусијата за Macedonians. Најдобро ќе биде ти да му одговориш ;) Realek 03:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Барање за Администратор за корисникот Khoikhoi. Можеш да гласаш на. --Realek 16:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi
hey Vlatkoto, your vote isnt counted like this. You should put (Metb82 17:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)) in the end of your vote to sign in here. Thanx

Да треба да се потпишеш на крај. А и право да ти кажам можда требаше да дадеш подобар коментар - вака на некого може да му изгледа дека гласаш ради пристрасност. Поздрав --Realek 17:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Empty articles
Hello Vlatkoto. Please do not create empty articles as you have for Gostivar municipality and dozens other Macedonian Municipalities. Empty articles do not contribute to the encyclopedia, and needlessly consume resources. They will all have to be deleted according to Criteria for speedy deletion A1 and A3. Please feel free to recreate the articles with substantial content whenever you like. Thanks ×Meegs 22:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

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POLL: Introduction for Republic of Macedonia article
Hello! Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring – and with the hope of resolving this issue – you might be interested in a poll currently underway to decide the rendition of the lead for the Republic of Macedonia article. Please weigh in! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello! I hope you're well and thanks for your note.  You will observe that the RoM article is currently locked because various editors recently decided to forego a prior consensual edit (which I partially crafted and have supported in the poll) and change the introduction.  Excessive discussions preceded the vote and continue (for reasons unknown) throughout it.  I think the poll is the only way to choose a mutually agreeable introduction – one option only – that will allow us to move forward and enhance the article.


 * And if it means anything, I do not understand the positioning and insistence of the other Greek editors either: my father is Greek, but I live in the Great White North. As for your proposal to introduce a similar debate with the Greece article, I think you'll have a hell of a time doing so but perhaps this should be considered.  Anyhow, I hope this helps.  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 14:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Map
Hi. I saw that you uploaded this map:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bitola_MKD.png

I presume that this map shows new municipalities in Macedonia. Do you perhaps can tell me some internet address where I can find similar map but with the names of the municipalities shown in it? Also, where can I find data from the last Macedonian census that show which ethnic group is in majority in which municipality? PANONIAN  (talk)  12:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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LOL
And I thought the Greeks were crazy. Give the unbridled nationalism and falsified history a rest guys. Hell, just drop the nationalism altogether :)) It really isn't doing you any favours. - FrancisTyers 15:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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Greek Macedonians
They are the native Greek-speakers of Macedonia who formed a majority in the villets of Thessaloniki and Monastiri during the Ottoman occupation of the region. This of course is sourced in the respective talk page. Typically they are regarded as the ancestors of the ancient Macedonians. Miskin 01:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

As Greece generally hides the presence of a Slavic minority in its Norther-most region, similary FYR Macedonia hides the historical presence of a Greek majority in what they call "Aegean macedonia". Most of Macedonian Slavs are convinced that no Greek has ever inhabited Macedonia prior to 1913. This is of course to neutral historians a completely silly conviction. It's hard to make some wikipedia editors realise this. Miskin 01:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * And why are you so sure that the writen above is the truth, or its just your reality conformism cosed by the learned "Greek" nationalism ?

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Portal Problem
Republika e Maqedonisë

Correction needed
You are for unity with Bulgaria but you show a flag that is used by Greek Macedonians. I think you are confused and confused people make good fanatics, not good historians. Makedonija 12:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think he means he wants the Republic of Macedonia to annex the Blagoevgrad oblast and the Greek Macedonian peripheries. That kind of unity, not the union of the Republic of Macedonia with Bulgaria ;-) Telex 12:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I think like a modern person who wants to see Bulgaria and former Yugoslavia in EU; I am a person who says borders must be respected and old dreams to calm down; if Bulgaria thinks of San Stephano borders and Greece of Byzantine borders, and Turkey of Ottoman borders we will spend all our money buying F-16 fighters and stupid Eurofighters. Sorry, Telex, but Vlatkoto has to wait a little for taking over Blagoevgrad until we finish re-decorating the place... (all the labour force has gone to England and Spain) :-)Makedonija 12:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Former Yugoslavia is in the EU - look at Slovenia :) FunkyFly 16:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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About Albanian language
I haven't said that Albanian is prevalent in the RoM (yet!). But it is an official language and it is spoken by 35% of the population. Don't deny a simple reality. I also wonder if you'd remove "Lerin" from the Florina article, according to your reasoning. And Macedonian is not even an official language in Greece! --   Avg     20:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the Ohrid Agreement is clear. Albanian is now an official language. Your complaints should go to your leaders that signed the Ohrid Agreement, not to me.--   Avg     23:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The Rainbow Party, the only body offering recognition of existance to a Macedonian minority, received 3,000 votes in the latest elections. Therefore, we can assume that the number of people who are and want to be Macedonians is 3,000. Telex 00:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

To answer your question, in Greece live about 3 million Macedonians. This is the population of the peripheries of East, Central and West Macedonia. Now if perhaps you meant those who stole the name and claim that it is theirs, that is your compatriots, there are about 3,000, which is 1 thousandth of the total population of Greek Macedonia.--   Avg     00:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Political affiliation is not directly indicative of nationalist or ethnic feeling. - FrancisTyers 01:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no evidence that people exist with a "Macedonian" ethnic feeling in Greece any more than there is for people with Japanese ethnic feeling in Greece. The only evidence is the political party and its 3,000 supporters. Telex 01:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If Vlatkoto had asked me how many Slavic speakers are in Greece, I wouldn't say 3000, but perhaps ten times that. Of course there are Slavic speakers in Greece. Slavic speakers <> "Macedonians" though. If they were feeling oppressed and wanted to express their frustration, voting for the only party that recognises such an issue and advocates against it would be a minimum. For me, the fact that they didn't vote, perhaps meant they didn't feel that way in the first place. --   Avg     01:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Republic of Macedonia. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. Telex 22:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

You've been blocked for 24 hours for violating the WP:3RR on Republic of Macedonia, if you think I've been wrong in blocking you please feel free to email me, or contact another administrator to review the case. - FrancisTyers 00:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I've blocked the IP you used to evade the ban for 24 hours for ban evasion. If you think I've been wrong in blocking you please feel free to email me, or contact another administrator to review the case. Thanks. - FrancisTyers 01:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

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Language
See for example Ohrid Agreement. Don't you want Albanian to be co-official? - FrancisTyers 10:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The Agreement met the Albanian demands with regard to establishing the official status of the Albanian language. Every other language other than Macedonian – which remains the main official language, to be used for example in foreign relations – that is spoken by more than 20 per cent of the population will henceforth be an official language on the central level as well as in communities where more than 20 per cent of the population speak that other official language. In fact, only Albanian fulfils this condition. Languages other than Macedonian which are spoken by at least 20 per cent of the inhabitants of a municipality will, however, also serve as an official language in local self government. Furthermore, the government will henceforth have to provide university education for language communities which speak another official language than Macedonian. This way the protracted ‘Albanian university’ issue, which has been a cornerstone of Albanian political activism in Macedonia since the early 1990s, should finally be put to rest.

From http://www.ecmi.de/jemie/download/Focus1-2002Brunnbauer.pdf

It says that Albanian is official on a central level. It also says that Macedonian is the main official language. I don't understand what your problem is with the Albanian language... - FrancisTyers 10:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: Municipalities of the Republic of Macedonia, et al.
Hello! Thanks for your note. I recently created the table at and added details to the above article and realised that another article existed (the one you created).

I'd be happy to merge the two, but my main stumbling block is the map. I want to create or retrofit a map for Macedonia similar to those that I've created for Canada and Norway: essentially, use of different colours for different regions and using the two-letter HASC codes (MK.xx) to name the municipalities instead of numbers as you've done (which I can't quite follow). While I've been able to find and extract maps of the pre-2004 borders (which require much finessing), I've had difficulty finding a map that I can adapt of the current municipal borders. Can you provide me with a high-resolution blank version of the map you created? If you wish, you can e-mail it to me.

As well, I regret if recent edits regarding the official nature of Albanian in Macedonia were problematic for you, but I was merely adding verifiable information, since corroborated somewhat, from a reputable publication.

Thoughts? Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I tried to incorporate your contributions (e.g., from the table) into the article I've recently developed.  I've yet to include notes of urban/rural municipalities: where are these distinguished?  As well, would you be able to provide me with a precise link to a map (either as an image or in a PDF) on the website you provided?  I actually can't read Macedonian (!), but I can somewhat muddle through using comparisons and have an interest. :)


 * I'm open to suggestions about moving forward. I recently created but haven't yet used this template (which currently links to the article I've recently enhanced, not yours) from yours, which you should be able to include in any municipality article instead of adding cumbersome code.  For ease, I also alphabetised the municipalities.  Perhaps we should also develop a dedicated infobox template for the municipalities too? E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 11:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * As well, should all the municipality articles be entitled:
 * Foo municipality (status quo)
 * Foo Municipality
 * Foo (municipality) -- though more cumbersome, perhaps best for disambiguating municipalities from their centers
 * something else?
 * Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 11:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * AOK! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 11:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

UN etc...
I appreciate your concern, but our personal preferences must be kept out - mine included, of course. According to UN resolutioin 817 and, the UN received the Republic of Macedonia on 7 April 1993 under the name, ‘Former Yugolav Republic of Macedonia’. The map is offensive in against the constitution of the Republic of Macedonia. I hope you agree with the tenents of the consitution my friend. Thanks. Politis 12:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I also followed the debate over the status of the Makedoniski language in ROM but I did not interfere because I thought you were arguing your case and I appreciate that attitude, it was an attitude that shows that wer are here to inform, not to provoke. Politis 13:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Municipalities of the Republic of Macedonia
Ciao! Vedo che parli italiano! Sono un utente italiano e sto curando gli articoli sulla Wikipedia italiana che riguardano la Repubblica di Macedonia (li ho praticamente tradotti dall'inglese tutti io!). Sto cominciando a tradurre gli articoli sui municipi macedoni, anche se in inglese non ce ne sono tanti, e nel tradurli in italiano ho bisogno delle immagini, soprattutto le mappe delle posizioni dei vari municipi... Dovrei caricarli su Wikipedia Commons.. Però sono in difficoltà e l'autore delle immagini sei te! Poi spero che aumentino gli articoli sui municipi in inglese perché devo tradurli (purtroppo non so parlare macedone anche se un poco lo capisco)... Ho preso a cuore la traduzione di tutto ciò che riguarda la Repubblica di Macedonia e vorrei ampliarlo. --Bukkia 18:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ho incontrato qualche problema durante la traduzione dei Municipi. Un altro utente ha detto di tradurre Општина con Comune, invece di Municipio. Come mi consigli? Inoltre questo utente non pensa che i municipi siano l'unica divisione amministrativa e che le regioni abbiano un valore amministrativo e non solo statistico. Prima di cancellare buona parte del mio lavoro, vorrei avere dei chiarimenti... Mi puoi spiegare come funziona la divisione amministrativa della Macedonia? Tu, che sei macedone, ne saprai sicuramente più di me! Ciao e grazie mille! Bukkia 12:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S: Se vuoi scrivimi in inglese o in italiano come preferisci capisco bene anche l'inglese. Bukkia 12:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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Hi, I've given you a short block as a result of ongoing personal attacks, attacks that were committed after a final warning and in particular this edit. It's a short one but please take a look at WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. If you continue to make these sorts of edits you'll be blocked for longer periods of time. Let me know if you have any questions. You can also request to be unblocked using the unblock request template Rx StrangeLove 19:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

flag
zdravo vlatkoto, ova so znameto na makedonska kamenica, morame da go terame do kraj, officijalno e, a taka i ke ostane. dobro si postapil i ke terame dalje. samo kaj najdoa i tie od opstinata bas sega edna godina web stranicata da ne ja pravet, sajtot postoi veke od oktomvri a uste nisto ne e napisano. da bese mnogu polesno ke ni bidese. prodolzi so dobrata rabota i golem pozdrav! --Makedonia 09:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR Violation
Hi, I've blocked you for violating the 3RR on the above article. The usual conditions apply. If you feel it is unjust, make an note here, I'll be watching your talk page. - FrancisTyers 19:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I intend to broke the rule until the flag stays there constantly.The flag is the official one, sources are provided, What more? Thay can remove it i will turn it, cose they are wrong. I expect you to support me, cose as an administrator you you "support " that wikipedia is here to inform not to please somene's "ideas". They refer to authors right, but actualy do not understand a word what that means. Should I remove the albanian from the macedonian infobox, I don't like to be there, but iit is not the reality. Thanx---Vlatko 12:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You did not cite any sources - we were begging you to, but you didn't. Until the municipality website (or some other official website) shows it, it is unsourced. Sopotnica also uses the Vergina Sun, but it appears on their website, so no one is touching it. --Telex 22:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Every flag on www.vexilla-mundi.com is copyrighted, more prove than that you need not, the officisal site is not finished, but the flag is ofiicial. What is this here, aren't you boore of this game?---Vlatko 12:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Vexilla mundi is based on contributions - how do I know you didn't make that flag and send them it? --Telex 22:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I did not. By the way on every flag on vexilla is a copyright mark. and I do not know how the site works, you also have other sites to look at. Actualy I provided this source too here is also ponted the flag.--->>>[[Image:Vlatko_sun.png|90px]]<<< 01:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

My advice is to take it to the dispute resolution process. - FrancisTyers 22:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree.--->>>[[Image:Vlatko_sun.png|90px]]<<< 12:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Municipalities in Macedonia
You asked me in my talk page to help you with the Albanian naming. I could help you in that. Let me know what parts you need. Regards, ilir_pz 19:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

dobro
dobro, ama sepak mislam da gi stavime znaminjata na golemite i popoznatite gradovi vo mk, kako sto se Ohrid, Skopje, Bitola, Prilep etc. --Makedonia 22:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Signature
See WP:SIG to see what I'm talking about. Images in signatures are discouraged. --Telex 16:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Pirin Macedonia and unification
Nice image. What about the 400 thousand Macedonians in Greece though? Have you given up on the southward expansion?  /FunkyFly.talk _  16:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, never.--->>>[[Image:Vlatko_sun.png|90px]]<<< 18:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellent, just making sure.  /FunkyFly.talk _   16:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * 400 thousand? Yeah right - there are more like 3,000 Macedonians in Greece (probably even less). Assuming there are as you claim there are, the ethnic composition of the Republic of Macedonia would be 47% Greeks, 34% Macedonians, 11% Albanians and 8% Bulgarians. In other words, it would be a Greek run state. Enjoy - "Aegean" Macedonia is full of Greeks now ;-) --Telex 16:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hahaha. well, start counting than you might pass the number of 1200000. (Full of Greeks) It is not even now, be sure in that. But you can still dream your dream, enjoy.--->>>[[Image:Vlatko_sun.png|90px]]<<< 18:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * "Dream your dream" - how more ironic can that sound than from a person claiming territories from neighboring countries. :)  /FunkyFly.talk _   17:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The percentages you point out are for 280 thousand Macedonians I believe. I went with 400 thousand, which I thought was probably the maximum claim by various nationalists. But Vlatko's estimate dwafs that.  /FunkyFly.talk _   16:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * (to FunkyFly) Not really, have you read mkwiki ;-) (to Vlatko) Actually, there are no Macedonian Slavs in Greece, only Greek Macedonians. That's why "Aegean" Macedonia is part of Greece ;-) --Telex 16:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way did you know, this is official, a Republican textbook from 1995 claimed 4.5 million Macedonians total in the entire world.  /FunkyFly.talk _   16:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well then why does our article claim 1.7 million - 2 million? Of course, it's well known that they could "estimate" the whole world as being Macedonian (including their Bulgarian identifying ancestors) ;-) --Telex 16:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you know now how many macedonians are there. By the way you made your point here Telex, exelent. Youll find more about if you start thinking.--->>>[[Image:Vlatko_sun.png|90px]]<<< 19:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Life in Bulgaria
By the way Vlatko, you still did not respond to my question from yesterday. There seems to be something bothering you about the fact that you are in Bulgaria. Is it that you are not doing well in school? Is it that you can't speak the language very well? Or is it that you feel too oppressed by local "propaganda" and can't relate to anyone? Or just you found out that you hate the people because of their prejudice and discrimination against you? Those are all valid questions, because there are many cases of discrimination against international students in the world, so I'm trying to separate purely Bulgarian issues from common problems.  /FunkyFly.talk _  17:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

==Nothing bothers me, and I noticed not a question, realy. Plese make a link.(About my life) I feel no need to explain nothing, but if you want mine opinion >> You alredy have shown that you have no life even as Bulgarian in Bulgaria. If you want more of mine psichoanalisis be free to ask.--->>><<< 19:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Haha, well well now. A seasoned soldier. Oh well, case dismissed then.  /FunkyFly.talk _   17:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, there must be a nice way of life in Bulgaria. That's why 60,000 Macedonians decided they were Bulgarians and adopted Bulgarian citizenship and not the other way around. --Telex 17:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Please find something better to do, you make no point here, exept advancing in your authism. If you have somethin concrete to say, do it, But chating like ......, not on mine usr page. Thanx.--->>>[[Image:Vlatko_sun.png|90px]]<<< 19:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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