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Comment
hi, i am new to wiki editing, thanks for your help in assisting me. 14.97.23.139 (talk) 20:55, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I'm not sure which article you're referring to, but I'm glad it was a help. Voceditenore (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: from the location of the IP, appears to refer to an article from the India Education Project. Voceditenore (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC) i

Request
Hello Mam, I am extremely sorry for the copvios in my edits,now i restarted the work and I want you to go through it if you have time.I wrote the stuff on "Gray Box Testing" in my sandbox. Netra Nahar 16:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied on your page. Voceditenore (talk) 12:41, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP
Had you already  seen this that  I  wrote yesterday? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, not until I just posted there, but I see you used "factory floor" too. How funny! Re Talk:Wikimedia Foundation - India Programs/Education Program, don't scrap your message! They need to hear more voices from the factory floor so they don't think I'm a random crank. ;-) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (Nobody thinks you're a random crank. I've already talked about both of you to those behind the scenes. :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC))

IEP & NPP
Hi Voce. I'm just letting  you  know that  I've had enough  of this IEP  issue. Deleted pages are still being  recreated, but I'm  now skipping  all  India related new pages while  I'm  on  patrol -  I  have to  get  back  to development  of  the new 'new user' interface and new page patroll  systems that  I've  committed myself to  helping  the WMF on. I've offered the WMF several suggestions for the IEP, and it's up  to  them  if they  want to  to  pursue them. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:44, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ditto here. I'm still doing about 3 or 4 NPP a day, but only for articles that strike my fancy, e.g. a "beauty queen" who seems to be quite convinced of her own fabness, a guitarist in a similar vein who's never heard of capital letters, and (whoopee!) a Ghanaian physicist, who really is fab and didn't write his own article. I figure it will help a little bit on keeping the backlog down. I'll pitch in with cleaning the copyvio once the CCI gets going, but at this point, there's no use trying to stop the flood. All the copyvio is now going into their user drafts, and they've extended the course deadlines til October 30th. Grrrrr. Voceditenore (talk) 17:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I  just  had one from  Pune that  I  had already  deleted three times for blatant  copyvio -  I  mean a whole page of verbatim text - so  I  simply  deleted it  again. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP office hours
Hi. :) Do you do office hours? I'd love to attend the office hours on the IEP, but they've scheduled it after my bedtime. :/ I'll be able to read the transcripts later when they are posted, but I would be pleased to get the opinion of somebody who was there. If you don't plan to go, no worries, but I just thought I'd check. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:21, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi MRG! :) Nope, I'm not going. My devotion doesn't extend to getting up at 3am. Besides, as I said on Talk:Wikimedia Foundation - India Programs/Education Program just now, I prefer transparent "on the record" communication for issues on Wikipedia. I guess the WMF are pretty determined not to have it though. Voceditenore (talk) 17:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, yes, that's even less convenient for you than me. :) At this point you probably realize that this isn't meant to be "instead of" but "in addition to". But I agree with you that transparency has been missing, and I hope (and believe) that this is changing. Please don't be discouraged with the WMF. They really are working on it; I think they are somewhere on the continuum of a cultural shift (hard to predict how far until they finish and we can measure where they started to where they wound up).


 * The phone meeting we had the other morning was pretty encouraging, both in terms of what has been learned from this experience and in the ideas that they were bandying about for finding willing volunteers to help clean up (rather than by default roping in NPP or other editors who didn't sign up for this). I'm never entirely sure how much I can convey when I'm in fly-on-the-wall position, but I know that Hisham has already publicly disclosed the steps they are taking there on Meta: "We have also reached out to OAs who supported the PPI initiative in the US and asked them to provide emergency support to the Pune pilot. We have heard back from ~20 OAs and we are (very shortly) writing to them to provide specific support to students by reviewing their contributions. We can and should have done this much earlier." The US online ambassadors were generally experienced Wikipedians, and I hope that their review will cut down the amount of work. (Which reminds me: I need to make a note to ask Hisham to coordinate those with MER-C. MER-C is planning to list out their contribs in "CCI" format, and if they don't coordinate, we'll just be making redundant labor.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:12, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP - MDCG
Hello , We haven't formally met. I'm Arjun Mangol Kanoth, and am the onsite CA for the Machine Drawing and Computer Graphics class under the IEP. I've been acting on your messages about certain problems that arise out of our class, on IEP and other talkpages, though I never spoke on Wiki about it. This message is just to say that if you have any queries or find any problems with my class, I'm the one to contact. And yes, I'm now helping the users working on Electric Steam Boiler and Boiler design, will sort out the problems ASAP. And I apologise if you found any ineptitude on my part, managing 173 students from two different classes was no mean task. There is a lax in editing at present due to Diwali holidays here. If we step in now, it gives us time to review everything and identify problems we have missed, so after this, editing will be a much smoother process, or so I hope. Cheers! --The Mangol (talk) 02:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Mangol, nice to meet you and thanks very much for getting in touch. I'm a little confused, though. The course page for Machine Drawing and Computer Graphics lists two completely different students as the CAs. If they are no longer the CAs for that class, it would be a good idea to change the infobox there. Otherwise, editors have no way of contacting the appropriate person. I haven't found you inept and there's certainly nothing for you to apologise for! There's only so much the CAs can do, especially with a ratio of 175/1, and my personal view is that CAs should not be expected to "manage" their fellow students at all—just be there to advise them and be a point of contact for the wider of the Wikipedia community. I contacted,  the two students who were officially listed as the CAs for that class just to give them a heads up that the four students involved may be coming to them with questions. Anyhow, if you need any help, don't hestitate to contact me. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 06:35, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Voceditenore, I intend to clarify, When I mentioned 173 students, I didn't actually mean 'all on my own'.I do have one or two other CAs who are helping me with it. Its just that, though not listed as the official CA assigned to the class, I being a part of that very class, the students eventually find it easier to come to me rather than someone else outside. Thanks :) The Mangol (talk) 09:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see :) But, as I said at Wikimedia Foundation - India Programs/Education Program I still feel sorry for you and the other 2 CAs having to look after all those students and do your own coursework too! A ratio of 173/3 is still pretty dreadful. We have been told by the program directors that it has now been made very clear to the students that they cannot paste copyright material anywhere on Wikipedia. There's nothing you can do if they disregard it, and you shouldn't feel that you are personally responsible for their behaviour here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:48, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problems
(WP:India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Machine Drawing and Computer Graphics)

Hi, Thanks for the message.Have contacted the necessary students and will take care that this is not repeated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnavchaudhary (talk • contribs) 07:11, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied here. - Voceditenore (talk) 11:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP
Hi. I hate to  spring  this on you, but  could you  have a look  at  Loan waiver. The CA involved (Debastien) says he doens't have time, and unfortunately, I  don't  either this time. A quick search has shown that  the paghe is made up  of phrases from  multiple searches. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:38, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This was basically OK, the phrases were pretty common and none of them long. I fixed it in the one or two places where it might have exceeded that. Needless to say, because it wasn't verbatim, it was quite incoherent and disorganized. ;-) I fixed that too, more or less, and formatted the bizarrely presented citations → . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * PS. Also needless to say, in the course of wikifying it, I found another IEP article with copyvio which had been restored after 2 editors had cleaned it. See Talk:Regional Rural Bank. Sigh!. Voceditenore (talk) 09:07, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for all  your hard work. I  hope you'll  do  our survey  below -  we especially  need feedback  like yours. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP -2
Hi Voceditenore (btw - great username... I was a music major, until I realized I wasn't good enough to do it pro, and I'd always be a good "hack") -

I'm Head of Reader Relations at the Wikimedia Foundation (Moonriddengirl, who works for me, speaks very highly of you). I wanted to drop a quick note and say thank you for your work with the copyright clean-up efforts that came from the IEP. There's no question some significant mistakes were made on that program, and it speaks highly both of the projects and of you that we're able to work through them and maintain a high quality offering to our users. With that in mind, I wanted to offer myself as a contact to you, both individually and as an conduit to other staff members. I know that you're beginning to advocate for presumptive removal of text, and I can certainly understand that. So if there's any time that you feel that reaching out to staff at the WMF would be helpful, or if there are any thoughts that you'd like to make sure get to them, please let me know, and I'll move heaven and earth (or try to, anyway) to put you in touch with them. Generally speaking, i think they know that everyone involved in this process is working with no lack of good will, but I also know that sometimes the best way to break through barriers is to put people in direct contact with each other.

I'd be happy, personally, to talk to you at any time, in any medium that you request - phone, skype, email, whatever. If there's any other staff member that you want to get in touch with, let me know, and I'll set that up. I know it must be an enormously frustrating time for you on Wikipedia right now, and I want to give you my own apologies for that, and also apologies on behalf of the Foundation for the extra work that you've taken on. We're working to fix this situation, and we will. One of Moonriddengirl's biggest discoveries, I think, when coming to work here, is that things move at a very different pace at the WMF than on the projects. Because we don't have the enormity of scale of the volunteer side of Wikipedia, we're necessarily a little slower to do things, but (like the projects) we do actually get things done. I want you to know that the India copyright issue has probably been the project that received the largest share of my attention for the last several weeks (sharing time with the image filter, perhaps, and some tangental work on the fundraiser). Moonriddengirl is spending a lot of time on it, as is the staff of the global education department here, and the India team locally. Please don't think it's being ignored: it's not.

Anyway, apologies for the length of this post, and please - if at any time there's something I can do to make connections for you (either on this issue or any other), please don't hesitate to let me or Maggie know. My email address is philippe@undefinedwikimedia.org, or - of course - you can leave me a talk page note. Best wishes, and thanks. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Philippe. Don't panic ;-) I only said I was beginning to be more inclined to allowing presumptive removal after initially opposing it. The decision to implement it doesn't depend on me. It depends on whether it's seen as more important to follow the standard procedures which are much more transparent and less open to individual error, or to keep the length of time copyvio remains on WP as short as possible and relieve the burden on the volunteers who are cleaning it up. I tend to favour the former, but I also respect the views of those who favour the latter. Nevertheless, even if presumptive removal is implemented, I personally won't be cleaning IEP articles on that basis. It's not my style.


 * I may send you an email with some comments which you could pass on, but I don't see any "barriers" that need to be broken down. That isn't the problem. The problem is that every single mistake that could possibly have been made with the IEP was made. If anything it illustrates the WMF moving way too fast, not too slowly. I'm not saying this with benefit of hindsight. If I had seen that program before it was rolled out, I would have said exactly the same thing. Kudpung, Risker and I have now made lots of suggestions on the WMF talk page, and in some cases some pretty frank criticisms. They'll either be taken on board or they won't. Our outstanding questions will either be answered on record or they won't.


 * In any case, don't worry, I'm not going to leave Wikipedia over this kerfuffle and no one else will either. I love writing articles, and my enthusiasm for that hasn't been diminished at all. I also enjoy working closely with a small annual class at an American music conservatory who use WP for their assignments. Working with those students and their professor has been very rewarding and fun! But if the IEP is rolled out again this Spring on the same scale, I'm not going to touch those articles. There's no way the fundamental problems with the program can be remedied in that short a time. I suspect you'll find several other editors taking a similar position, unless of course they're devotees of Sisyphus. :) Best,  Voceditenore (talk) 10:33, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP-3
You just  have to  see this. I practically stood by  and watched as this user defiantly  recreated for the umpteenth  time a text  from  the same sources again  and just  changed a few words. I'm not  absolutely  sure this is an IEP  student, but  it  has all  the signs. In any case, it  clearly  proves the East-West  cultural  issue for the skeptics. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:16, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * They're a member of India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Computer Organization and Advanced Microprocessing. The stuff wouldn't by any chance be about printers, would it? Check out their user page created 5 minutes after your last deletion of their sandbox. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:34, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm leaving that user a talk page message myself. (Sorry for the stalking) - that's unacceptable.  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I like talk page stalkers. :) I do it myself. Some of my most off-beat article creations were inspired from stuff I've found on MRG's and Kudpung's talk pages. I feel sorry for this student. As you can see from their user page, they're really struggling with writing in English but completely wasting their time. We already have lengthy articles on laser printing and dot matrix printing. Voceditenore (talk) 16:56, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've found him on Facebook, sent him a message, will try and help him out myself. The Mangol (talk) 20:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've reluctantly had to  give this user a short  block. In  spite of Philippe's additional warning  he recreated it  again  on  his user page which  I  have deleted. The block  is only  for 60 hours, and the IP  has not  been blocked. He will  not  be able to  create an alternative account. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I know it's no laughing matter, but I couldn't help chuckling at this latest round of "whack-a-mole". Don't increase the block, he did it three minutes before Philippe's warning. I'm also wondering if he knows what the orange message bar means. Voceditenore (talk) 10:10, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There is something almost  Pythonesque about  it all. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:25, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Update on IEP
In case you are not informed, the following is a link to the complete list of students of the IEP.
 * India Education Program/Students

Sorry I haven't been of much help lately. Debastein1 (talk) 11:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP-4
User talk:Chaitanya.gayke has gone and recreated the article in his user space yet  again. The only way  I  can stop  him  from  doing  this is to  block  his IP. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How could he do it while he was blocked??? I thought blocked editors could only edit their talk pages not their other user pages. Voceditenore (talk) 15:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember when I saw it again this morning, I nearly fell over, so I checked the history and it showed he had created it at 15:54, 27 October 2011 (UK time), i.e. before you blocked him. Voceditenore (talk) 15:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Another IEP user has been blocked for repeated copyvio: Swapnil.dahake. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There are three editors from India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Machine Drawing and Computer Graphics "working" on this topic. (The other 2 are and . Between them they have created Advance jigs and fixtures (deleted twice as A10, but probably copyvio as well); ADVANCE JIGS AND FIXTURE (deleted for copyvio); and of course  Advanced jigs and fixtures (deleted 5 times for copyvio). You might want to keep an eye on the other two, as I believe the course deadline is tomorrow (October 30th). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:48, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The pages are all salted now, but  we'll  have to  keep  an eye open for other new title variations. This may  also  involve running  the occasional  search  for  pages that  include the words jig, advance, advanced, fixture, fixtures, etc, and their various capitalisations. Blocking  the college IP for a few days didn't  have any  effect  at  all so I  unfortunately  believe that  it's high  time to  start  making  an example of someone to  really  demonstrate to  the students that  they  must  not  mess with  Wikipedia.  The next  phase of this programme is due to  start in  January, and I'm  far from  confident  that  things will  have changed much  by  then. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:14, 29 October 2011 (UTC
 * January??? On the same scale??? In the same topic areas???? Tell me you're joking. Voceditenore (talk) 14:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The course deadline ain't tomorrow I believe, some of the articles like mine have been evaluated, but the prof told me the final evaluation of all articles is around our endsem exams, Nov 18 or so. --The Mangol (talk) 14:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * AFAIK, yes, January, but it's been a couple of years since I  last  worked for any  length of time in  India so  I  can't  remember off  hand how their academic  year  is split  up. The subject  material  will  depend entirely  on  what  colleges are drawn  into  the next  phase of the scheme of things. Let's hope it's a school of medicine -  I  know some people here who  are just  chomping  at  the bit to  patrol medical  pages. This parrot  is nailed to  it's perch.. .Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:07, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP-5
Hi. We now have IEP campus ambassadors patrolling new pages and letting  unsourced BLPs through. I'l be checking  more thoroughly  today. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:15, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw your note on the editor's page. I added references to it, so it's OK now. I'm wondering if the NPP instructions should be changed. They currently say: "Unsourced biographies of living people created after 18 March 2010 can be proposed for deletion using the "sticky prod" process..." It makes it seem optional. Perhaps replace with should or must? Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooh! let's not go  down  that  road again -  there were over 5,000 words spilled on  the BLPPROD development discussion in  Feb 2010 over the very  use of those modals. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:05, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, well then. Interestingly, the PROD template uses "must have references", but the enforcement of the must is only a maybe. Typical Wikipedia nuttiness. ;-) I guess you can't fault NPPs for taking the can at its word. Maybe suggest that if not PRODDing, they must minimally add Template:BLP unsourced? At least it'll end up in the right category.


 * I'm off for a couple of days... looking after the granddaughters. But I did leave a couple of strongly worded notes yesterday at the IEP talk page and at the WMF IEP page about how they really need to do something about that "student list" they provided. I find it very disappointing that even at this late stage no one there seems to have a minimal clue what's needed and why. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, you're so lucky, my grandchildren live in  France. Bit  to  far to  go  and look  after them  for a couple of days! You're right  about  no  clue, I've just deleted a mainspace sandbox by  one IEP  student for the third time, and another is going  through  the 'pedia putting  welcome templates on  users who  have never edited. Take a well  earned rest, and thank  you  for all  your hard work  on  this issue - your devotion  to  Wikipedia and opera is unprecedented, in  particular when singing  about  daisies.  Perhaps you  could take a moment  to  cogitate upon  the other thing  I  keep  badgering  you  about ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:30, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Kudpung, could you please inform any of us CAs when you find things like IEP students creating mainspace sandboxes and stuff like that, its hard to keep track of everyone, so when someone strays off the track, its hard finding them. Just put a link when you mention them so that its easy for us ;)--The Mangol (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problems
(India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Computer Organization and Advanced Microprocessing)

Please can you take a look and address the copyvio problems created by some of the students on this programme? --Biker Biker (talk) 14:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello Biker Biker. I have nothing to do with that course or the India Education Program. I'm just an editor who has been helping clean up the copyright mess it's generated. See Wikipedia Talk:India Education Program. I'm basically away from my desk until tomorrow. If you have a specific article you'd like me to look at for you I'd be happy to do it. I'm quite experienced at finding copyvio and tracing the source. But I normally edit in other areas of Wikipedia and I can't take on that whole class or even a significant portion of it. Have you tried contacting the Online Ambassadors for that course? They're listed here. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

IEP clean up
Hi. If you are working  on  IEP  clean up, for easy  checking  and follow up  of students and their articles, please see:

IEP student and article lists and how to use them

If you are not  working  on  this clean  up,  please pass this message along  to  anyone you  know who is. Thanks, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps I ought  to  pop over to  Pune and give these folks a hand. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Better to shut down the entire project. --Biker Biker (talk) 10:36, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, its done already, I'm gonna sleep for 8 hours today after 2 months. :) --The Mangol (talk) 16:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The IEP program has been scrapped for my college, the one with the most copyvios and other violations previously unknown to the Wiki community :P, its a breather for all of us :D The Mangol (talk) 15:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * WOOT! --Biker Biker (talk) 16:08, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to talk
Would you be willing to communicate via email about some of the issues you've been working on with me at mdennis@undefinedwikimedia.org? I've spoken with Kudpung, but I'd really to talk a bit more to you to get some feedback on the problems we've encountered with the IEP. You've been in the trenches deep on this one, and I would really appreciate the opportunity to chat with you about it. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 10:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Golly, this is a coincidence - I  was about  to  leave a message here and I  saw Maggie's post above. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:07, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: IEP article : Corporate social responsibility at Hyundai
Thanks much. I have been bit busy offwiki and not been able to do as much I wished to cleanup. Thanks again for your help in merging that.  Srikanth (Logic)  13:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

IEP
Hi Voce. I see you  don't  appear to  subscribed to  the Signpost. This might interest you, and as no comments from you were  featured, you  may  wish  to  leave a something   in  the comments section. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Back from WP:Wikibreak
Hey Voceditenore,

My exams got over and hence I am back from WP:Wikibreak. Will need sometime to get updated as to what exactly happened. Saw there was a CCI also. In the mean time, if you need any help searching for copyvios or anything related to IEP, please inform me, and I will see what I can do asap.

Regards, --Debastein1 (talk) 06:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. If you want  to  get  up  to  date,  this might  interest you. I'm  now back  to  doing  other work (I've spent  nearly  a month  on  the IEP  already), but  don't  hesitate to  ask  Voceditenore for some work  to  do, she's still  holding  the fort and doing  an excellent  job and I'm  sure she needs a lot of help. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:42, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Email contact
Hello, Voceditenore, I am an editor of the Wikipedia Signpost writing a story on the India Education Program, and was advised that you might have some insight to share on the situation. I've already interviewed the consultant for the program, and was going to email you for a response, but you email is disabled. Please get in touch if you are interested in participating. Thanks, Skomorokh  13:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what  to  say more
HiVoce, take a look at  this (thread is 'IEP help' is the link doesn't  work), and then  this (thread is 'USEP' if the link  doesn't  work). Mike's a bit late to the party, but  his intentions are in  the right  direction. I'm now more convinced than ever that  not  only  do  the organisers not have any  experience at  all  at  NPP, but  also  that  they still fully  fail to  understand its importance and what  it's for. Maggie has a heart of gold, but from  what  I've understood, her hands are rather tied. I think I  really  need to  take a break from  all  Global  Education Programme  issues - it's starting  to  pray  on  my  emotions, which  is something  that  as a volunteer, Wikipdia is not  supposed to  do.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

India and copyright detection tips
Thank you very much, Voceditenore. I've been plowing through Indian student articles for a few hours now, and have a headache. Fortunately, many of the articles on obscure (and non-notable) computer programming topics have been redirected to more comprehensive and stable articles monitored by qualified editors. A sad situation, overall.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  02:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Request for Time: India Education Program Learnings
Hi. I'm writing to request a favor. The India Education Program pilot is concluding in Pune, India. It has been extraordinarily challenging and a series of learnings have emerged from the pilot that we intend to take on board to inform the way forward. I had promised an honest, open and comprehensive review. There are multiple ways that we are trying to collate and distill these learnings. One of these is that the Foundation has commissioned a study to do in depth interviews with a wide variety of folks who were directly or indirectly involved in the pilot. The include discussions with students, Ambassadors, faculty as well as members of the global community such as yourself. I thought it would be really particularly useful if we could get your views. You have been involved in the project (albeit not as part of the formal project structure.) I thank you for your involvement. You have made some interesting and insightful comments in the discussions you have participated in. Would you be willing and available for the person working on this study so that she can get your feedback and suggestions and comments? If so, would you let me know on my talk page? Do also let me know how I can have her reach out to you. Many thanks in advance. Hisham (talk) 09:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied here. Voceditenore (talk) 18:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Learning points
There is of course no mention of any  support that  may/will  be needed from  the regular clean-up corps. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:26, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Pune pilot analysis plan
Hi! As you were very active in discussions about the India Education Program's Pune pilot, I wanted to draw your attention to India_Education_Program/Analysis, a page that documents our analysis plan for the next few months. I encourage you to join the discussion if you have any thoughts. -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) (talk) 23:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)