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Headstrong sales
First of ALL. The site states that the album sold 880,000 world wide not 68,000 in the first week. So stop thos claims. And i removed the singles release dates because it was repeated two times there were two singles release dates sections. And by the way a Billboard reference states that the album has sold 64,000 copies in the unites states not in its first week. Verify you claim and then it will be submitted.IntoCreativeJan 15:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

April 2008
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Sneakernight (song)
I've nominated this for deletion. We've already undergone a deletion discussion at AFD, and you've done nothing to address those issues. Kww (talk) 17:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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Senior Year: The Soundtrack
Please don't put anything if it is not officially confirmed like you did to High School Musical 3, Please dont make this happen again, Thank you. Gabriel mark (talk) 01:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Stop
Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Contact me if you need assistance adding references. The references need to be chart positions not release dates and they do not need to be blog operated. I noticed that 3/5 of teh references submitted are like that. It is very unlikely that Tisdale's album charted worlwide since the album has jus been given gold in the US. IntoCreativeJan 7:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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Confusing addition
Here, you say that the deodorant promo fails WP:N (which means it has to be deleted), but then say it should be kept. That's pretty confusing. Kww (talk) 20:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

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Stop
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing. And please stop doing the same vandalism acts to Ashley Tisdale singles, the references provided do not mention the song or are fake since they are from blogs anf forums. Stop reverting my cleanup edits for the last time. Looks like Dienaked/Fotesh/CO123/Triping are back. This is obvous sucket puppeteering against wikipedia guidelines. And that IP too. IntoCreativeJan (talk) 19:57, June 27 2008 (UTC)

Edit warring on Headstrong
Please stop doing these massive reverts of the article back to your version. It's obvious that many editors have problems with your version, and if you keep throwing the whole pile back in, people will keep throwing the whole pile back out. Discuss it on the talk page one point at a time, and get consensus for your version one point at a time. Kww (talk) 18:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like vandalism to me at all. It looks to me like you have an extremely large, bloated, and overdetailed version of the article, and other editors keep stripping it down to something reasonable and suitable for Wikipedia. If you think it is vandalism, again, take it to the talk page and explain why some of the things they are deleting should be kept. Kww (talk) 18:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks to me like he is explaining every change he makes in the edit summaries. Please don't just blindly re-add stuff. I mean it when I say the edit warring has to stop, and someones going to get blocked if it doesn't. It may be the IP, but it will probably be you. Kww (talk) 20:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks to me like your sources don't check out. For example, your Argentinian source doesn't mention Headstrong, and your source for the Brazilian position is Ashleyt.net. Ashleyt.net is not a reliable source. It cannot be used. The IP is 100% right in removing those lines. I'm double checking the rest, but I can promise you ... if the rest of your references are as bad as that, it is definitely going to be you that eventually winds up blocked if this edit war continues. Kww (talk) 20:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why on earth would you list a re-release? No one would list a reprint date of a book. As for "special editions", if there is something changed and you have a reliable source for the change, that should probably stay. Kww (talk) 20:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Billboard
Billboard charts are certainly notable, and Billboard.com is a reliable source for discussing them. I can't give you a guide to other charts. Kww (talk) 20:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I see the Tisdale articles are still a problem. I don't really see the point in having more than one cover image when the art isn't really different, just variations in coloring and text. On the charts, one view is not to list component charts unless the work never charted on the main chart, although Hot Digital Songs has its own components and seems to be regularly listed anyway. Check a few featured articles of recent songs, like Hey Baby (No Doubt song), Rich Girl (Gwen Stefani song) or What You Waiting For?, or the current FAC Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song), for some idea of what charts to report. Gimmetrow 22:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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If I Never See Your Face Again
How dare you put a fake cover on the article? Go to iTunes and see the real one please. Don't put it there again. Charmed36 (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

He Said She Said
I checked, and I think all of your changes are in the article after I put it back to the small version. Please double check me, and I'm sorry if I missed something and accidentally erased it. Kww (talk) 13:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to try to explain Gimmetrow's point to you, because he is right. There is really a 200-song chart, broken into two sections: the Hot 100 and the Bubbling Under chart. Let's say a song had these ranks:
 * 140
 * 130
 * 101
 * 85
 * 70


 * then it will have peaked at 70 on the Hot 100, and will also have reached 101 on the Bubbling Under chart. The 101 doesn't mean anything, though, because the fact that it was on the Hot 100 means that it got above 100. The only time it makes much sense to mention the Bubbling Under chart is for a song that never makes it into the Hot 100. Kww (talk) 22:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I got confused with the edit histories on two different articles. Kww (talk) 22:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Not just Ashley
In theory, all of them should be referenced. If everyone had been well-behaved, people would have just tagged them with tags, and just waited for the citations to be added someday. The problem is that once people started edit-warring and trying to force those extremely large articles in, other people had to start following the rules strictly in order to figure out what could be kept and what needed to be thrown away. If you think another article has either false references or charts where it would be impossible to find references, you can delete those entries. Kww (talk) 19:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Sneakernight
Because it doesn't pass the requirements of WP:MUSIC, as decided here. The article has been created multiple times, and deleted each time. Kww (talk) 20:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was nominated second time, even after release. Look over the requirements in WP:MUSIC. If you think it meets them, explain to me why. If I agree, I'll see what it takes to get an article back. Kww (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely right. Go take a look at WP:AFD, and it will show you the steps to nominate an article for deletion. Kww (talk) 20:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless something unusual happens, in seven days. Kww (talk) 21:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * An admin should notice the expiration today or tomorrow, and close the discussion. You don't have to do anything. Kww (talk) 16:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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Voice4Ever
Hi Voice4Ever let's discuss why i removed your information in points and then you should put you opinion, ok.


 * In my first edit i removed unnecessary references and triviac text with trivia for which song cover she sang and the artists name. Not needed and several typos reverting this edit will be reported. Which means that in most wikipedia articles you don't have references for the High School Musical movie and soundtrack including those would be trivia. The Amazon references you added were all for the release dates and in that point it made them unnecessary since they were not needed in the first place (sounds confusing??) well in other words you don't have to take the time and effort and search the net for references which are not needed and triviac text. Now it's you chance to disagree, agree or bash give us you opinion post it and then check other users reply. In the Ashley Tisdale Talk Page. Remember post all of you desires and difficulties in the talk page. RaiseYourVice 20:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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Fly on the Wall
You didn't indicate whether you preferred delete, keep, or redirect. I can guess from your argument, but it's best to be clear.Kww (talk) 23:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC) Didn't notice you had put comments in twice.Kww (talk) 23:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hudgens explanation
Hello. Material shouldn't be removed simply because it's "unsourced". When I remove something from an article, the removal usually involves some other factor. In most cases where I remove unsourced material, it's because it seems questionable or false - perhaps because it contradicts info elsewhere in the article, or because the article has a long history of fake info being added. Sometimes it's removed because it's based on rumors and won't ever be appropriate in the article. In some cases, material may not be significant, and including it gives it undue weight in the article.

In this case, you removed part of the award section. You had previously removed the entire section, which I restored with a few references. I thought it was fairly obvious that these awards could be referenced if someone wanted to. The Hudgens article doesn't have much history of fake info, and the particular awards are fairly well-known and have websites. I've noticed you cleaning up problem material on some other articles, but please understand that circumstances can vary. Gimmetrow 19:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll comment here as well. It is generally better, if you think the material is probably true and you can probably find a source (which a quick look at IMDB would tell you for the Teen Choice Awards, even if we can't use IMDB as a source), to tag it with, which gives that citation needed footnote. I'm much more aggressive with removing unsourced material than Gimmetrow is, but using good judgement is always in order: it wouldn't make sense to go delete every unsourced middle name, birthdate, brother and sister name, etc. from Wikipedia, and any editor that tried to do it would eventually wind up in trouble. Long established material takes precedence, too. If I find an article that is growing rapidly (a newly announced album, a recently released single, etc.), I revert new additions of unsourced material pretty quickly. If something has been sitting stably in an article for a long time, I'm less inclined to take it out. Take a look at the Teen Choice Awards article itself: while looking at it to try to find sources last night, I discovered that the entire article is improperly sourced. Whoever wrote it sourced every pieced of information to IMDB, which is not allowed. I didn't delete the whole article, though: I left a note on its discussion page to try to get someone interested in the topic to find good sources. If no one responds, I'll start searching for sources myself. If I can't find any, then I'll start deleting unsourceable stuff.
 * One thing that is always a good practice, though, and the reason why I got a little testy last night: if someone deletes something because it is unsourced, the best thing to do is to source it before you restore it. That way, you know for sure that the material actually can be sourced.Kww (talk) 20:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Say OK
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Miss Independent
You are usually a pretty good editor. Why are you participating in an article like Miss Independent? What are your sources for any of this information?Kww (talk) 15:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

You forgot a step
When making an AFD, you have to perform this edit. The instructions are in the AFD notice in teeny tiny print.&mdash;Kww(talk) 13:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I Want It All (High School Musical song)
It charted on one chart for one week, so I'd be lying if I said that it absolutely did not qualify. I don't think it would be a good idea for it to have its own article, though. That's not very good chart performance, and the album article is very short. I think it would be better if you worked on making the album article the best article you can, with information about all the singles. It's better to have one good article than five tiny ones.&mdash;Kww(talk) 20:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

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Be unblocked

 * I initiated the checkuser that Voices4ever was caught up in, and was very surprised to see her caught up in the block. This account has been a productive contributor, and I didn't expect that she was socking. I have the impression that despite the childish socking, there's a potentially good editor here, and someone that enjoys working positively. May I make a suggestion? Have her take a 60-day timeout from Wikipedia. When it that time is up, run a second checkuser to be sure that she has been good for the 60 days, and then let her back on, with a zero-tolerance for misbehaviour.
 * Voices4ever, please note that this is just a suggestion to admins that may be watching this page, and not something I can do myself, because I'm not an admin.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestion. Voices4ever(talk) 02:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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