User talk:Volunteer Marek/sub page for various R&I sock puppets to post at

Sock puppets of all nations unite! And please post to this page right here rather than cluttering up my talk page.

I do not believe that to be the case. He edited a bit as an IP over the past two years or so and not too long ago got the trial-by-fire this topic gives people before registering an account.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 21:04, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll assume good faith and just call you "extremely naive". Volunteer Marek 21:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You haven't done all the looking that I have done. This is not some new account saying that he edited as an IP. It is an editor who I encountered when he was editing as an IP, who then registered an account. I am familiar enough with the individual's editing history to tell you that the Mors Martell stuff you are suggesting is not likely at all.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk.  cntrb. 00:59, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Is Mors Martell from Australia? Darkness Shines (talk) 01:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Not to my knowledge. Martell certainly wasn't accused of being someone from Australia and Akuri has never shown the broad editing interest Martell showed. I doubt any savvy banned or blocked editor would "return" in this manner.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk.  cntrb. 01:19, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

@VM: I came here to tell you how much I enjoyed reading your appraisal at the latest R&I AE. I don't know how much attention you've paid to the issue in the past, but you have summed up the situation with extraordinary accuracy (and now that I'm here, I see I am at the end of a queue!). I don't know why people have mentioned Australia a few times—it is known that Akuri was using IPs in Australia, but it is very likely that those IPs were provided by a VPN service designed to obfuscate the identity and location of the user (see this AN archive). The user probably still operates via the VPN because they have difficulty staying logged on, but AGF still applies! Johnuniq (talk) 11:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Pretty much...
 * SSTP host, au1-sstp.pointtoserver.com resolves to 101.0.71.2 and 101.0.71.0/24 range routes to 101.0.71.2.
 * PPTP/L2TP host, au1.purevpn.net resolves to 101.0.79.2 and 101.0.79.0/24 range routes to 101.0.79.2.
 * PureVPN lists "Complete Online Anonymity" as one their service benefits,"When you are using PureVPN services, you are guaranteed to enjoy Web Anonymity. Our services that include Complete Online Anonymity (VPN) and Anonymous Web Surfing rout all the traffic through our secure servers, located in 18 Countries."
 * Cheers. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 00:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's also fun to note that the Mors Martell IP that posted below also seems to be using PureVPN. In this case they used the Amsterdam PPTP/L2TP host located at 185.2.29.191, see, and were assigned the addresses 185.2.29.210 and 185.2.29.216. A traceroute on 185.2.29.214 shows that these belong to the VPN server . Strange that Akuri and Mors Martell are both using the same anonymizing service. PS. To avoid some confusion, I'm the same IP who previously pointed out the use of a VPN. -- 92.2.67.52 (talk) 01:25, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It was also noted in that discussion that said server didn't exist at the time when Akuri first began editing as an IP and the IP range he seems to be using currently appears to be well outside that server's range. His IP has consistently geolocated to the same city in Australia for two years. The most logical explanation is that Akuri just edits from there.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk.  cntrb. 16:23, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

This account was discussed extensively in private with arbitrators. The account was almost certainly a sockpuppet of Ferahgo the Assassin and is tagged as such. There were just too any similarities with the sock account Zeromus1: they started to edit R&I topics little by little, started involving themselves on arbcom pages for no apparent reason and, like Zeromus1, came up with explanations that were not credible (forgetting the password for a former account). The creation of an account Mors Martell on wikipediocracy almost as soon as his name was mentioned and when Captain Occam was active is further confirmation. Mathsci (talk) 06:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * As demonstrated here, you have a history of tossing around accusations of sockpuppetry with flimsy evidence. Can you show where the arbitrators said Mors Martell was one specific banned user? There was no sockpuppet investigation, and the block summary doesn't name any sockmaster. You also tagged the account as a sock more than a month after it was blocked. I don't believe you were still discussing the account with arbitrators a month later. Akuri (talk) 07:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This is not your talk page, so why are you inserting yourself here, making personalized comments? Communications with checkusers (many of whom are arbitrators) often occur in private. Alison and Philippe Beaudette had to oversight several edits on multiple wikipedias by IP socks of Mikemikev. The PsychKitten case was complicated because an open proxy had been used. The case is described at Sockpuppet_investigations/Mikemikev/Archive. The checkuser Elockid read the report on WP:AN and determined that PsychKitten was Mikemikev, because of a later edit from another IP. They confirmed that on their talk page. Another checkuser DoRD closed the case. As far as Mors Martell is concerned, the discussions took place in private and will stay private. You don't have the standing to be told any more information. But your interest in Ferahgo the Assassin and Captain Occam is noted. Mathsci (talk) 07:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The discussion about Mors Martell did not occur in private a month after the account was blocked, which was when you tagged it. It looks as though you tagged the account a month later just because you felt like it. Do you do that often? Akuri (talk) 08:05, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * To answer your question, I'm inserting myself because in the discussion directly above Volunteer Marek accused me of being Mors Martell. I'm bloody fed up with this practise of tossing around sock accusations this way and that, and hoping one will eventually stick. Akuri (talk) 08:14, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, you must also have been "bloody fed up" when Elockid and Materialscientist blocked the 10 or so open proxies you used before the account Akuri was created. I am not quite sure why you're so interested in sockpuppets of Ferahgo the Assassin. I created two sockpuppet categories at the time. It's not the first time I have created a suspected sockpuppet category, but is there some problem you personally have with it? Are you going to start an arbcom case about it? It would give you an opportunity to tell the arbitration committee how "bloody fed up" you are. But MastCell gave a clear warning that does not seem to have registered with you. "As to the question of opening an ArbCom case, it's important to recognize that a number of personalities active in this topic area thrive on wiki-litigation. If there's an actual basis for a case, then by all means one should be requested, but many of these accounts seem to view wiki-litigation rather than actual editing as their primary purpose, and we shouldn't really enable that unfortunate tendency." Presumably he was referring to you amongst others, since he told you similar things previously on his talk page. Mathsci (talk) 08:37, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Just a reminder, if it's really needed, that restoring edits of arbcom-blocked users like Mors Martell is not permitted according to this arbcom motion. Theoretically restoring that edit twice, as happened here, would result in a report at WP:AE and almost certainly a block, particularly if the user was aware of the motion, as was the case here. Mathsci (talk) 21:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)