User talk:Voorlandt

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List of chess topics
Thanks for your hard work maintaining List of chess topics. When that page was first created I ignored it as I thought it was a lost cause to keep up to date unless we could use automation to do the work. You accomplished by hand what I thought was impossible. Now I use the list with the Related changes toolbox link all the time, and try to update it with any new pages or page moves that I make. Quale 18:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand this Lists purpose and it's usefulness to monitor changes, but at the same time it's not a subject of any notability in itself and if someone raised an Afd based on WP:N or what justification could be given for it? ChessCreator (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It does indeed apply to other lists(not just topic list) and the Afd of some lists is how I realised the situation is somewhat interesting and potentially bad news for many such 'Lists' ChessCreator (talk) 15:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears the a sensible argument is to say it's used an alternative to a category, with better advantages for housekeeping. WP:CLS explains the advantages of each. You don't delete categories, so there would be no need to delete this list. SunCreator (talk) 13:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Bughouse game animation.gif
Hello. Could you, as the author, upload that image into commons? Thanks to that, the others Wikipedias could use it. Regards pjahr 10:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. Voorlandt 10:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! pjahr 16:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Progress
Hi, I have posted a question on [Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Progress], if you have time could you have a look at it? It is about the progress of Encyclopedia Britannica 2004 and the like. If this is a nonexisting project can I just remove it? Thanks!Voorlandt 12:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I posted a reply on the talk page - Thanks for keeping the page up to date while I'm on an extended wikivacation. -- Reflex Reaction  ( talk )&bull; 16:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Chess terminology
Sorry, I forgot to update your list of missing terms on Talk:Chess terminology when I added miniature. I knew your list was there, but my recent edits to the page were fairly random rather than systematically working from your list and I didn't think to check it. Quale 16:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment and all the work you are doing to improve the list. I felt a bit bad posting this large list, and not working on the article itself. The reason is that I got a bit tired after compiling the list, which took me many hours. I'll try to help out in the future as well. Note that I think many of those shouldn't be included, so feel free to remove the terms you think shouldn't be in the list. Others, like some acronyms are quite important. Best wishes Voorlandt 22:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

chess project
I'm glad to ahve you with us! Bubba73 (talk), 23:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

List of chess terms
I think nominating it as a featured list is a good idea. I think we should do a little work on it first, but I don't think it needs a lot. I've thought a little bit about photos and diagrams, and I think they could be very helpful if we can figure out a way that would still keep the list layout looking good. I don't know exactly how that would work, so we might have to play around with a few ideas to find something. Thanks for changing the page to use the standard definition list format. That was a fair amount of work, even using an external editor. Quale 01:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

In so far
> insofar ==

Hi, I noticed you made this change diff. Have a look at Google "in so far" listing 1770 entries on the Wikipedia. Also have a look at Google "in as much". You've got some work ahead :-) Cheers and happy chess playing, DVdm 13:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Cheers and thanks :) Well I am just going over the B-class chess, maths and physics articles with AWB typo fix. Any articles with start or stub class need a rewrite anyway. Voorlandt 13:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

English form of names of cities
Hello ! I have just restored the name Lodz in place of Łódź because of English form. List of strong chess tournaments and List of mini chess tournaments include such names as Cracow not Kraków, Cologne not Köln, Kecskemet not Kecskemét, Munich not München, Rogaska Slatina not Rogaška Slatina, etc. The name Lodz is used and better known than Łódź in English literature. Best wishes, Mibelz 19:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, I have changed this in a few articles, following AutoWikiBrowser/Typos. In fact, I went through all the chess related articles fixing typos, using AutoWikiBrowser and Lodz was one of them (strangely enough your. Thanks for telling me. Voorlandt 19:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Greetings
Hi there - Thanks for the kind words. I have included my name on WikiProject Chess as you suggest. Not sure where I can help, it's difficult enough finding time to write articles, but I do try to keep abreast of what's going on there and will gladly help where I can. Respect to Voorbot, we all need to pay more attention to the high-incidence red links, so good work there! Off on a complete tangent - do you know anyone with a good knowledge of the website Flickr? I visited there a while back and found a few 'Creative Commons' licensed photos of contemporary players - Ian Rogers, Daniel King, Henrique Mecking, Arianne Caoili, Hikaru Nakamura to name a few. But when I looked at the wiki policy on Flickr, it seemed a bit of a minefield and wondered if there was anyone with Flickr expertise on the WikiProject who could hopefully reel a few of these photos in? Of course, I realise this is something of a mini-wiki-project in itself! Regards, Brittle heaven 18:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Uploading images is indeed a nightmare. For flickr however there is which has a link to the tool which does all the nasty work for you. That is
 * Generating the right summary (hit preview on the flinfo page)
 * Determining whether the image is free or not.

So i decided to try it out on this pic. It is really easy, give it a shot. The ID you need is 432817500 (the last number in the url). As you can see it doesn't pass the test (non free). As far as i understand it needs to have either
 * (BY)
 * (BY) and (inverse C)

tag on it. Use the link with the "CC" option enabled (this will limit the search to pictures that have potentially the right tag). And then look for images with the right tags.

Then I found this pic, and tried it out, resulting in this All that needs to be done is getting it reviewed (which should happen shortly).

Hope this helped! Voorlandt 20:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, you made it look far too easy ... and I'll certainly give it a try in the near future. Brittle heaven 21:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Dhalgren and "to to"
Just wanted you to know that the sentence "I have come to to wound the autumnal city", as quoted in the Dhalgren article, is not a typo. The doubled "to" exists in the original text of the novel and is completely intentional on the part of the author.


 * Sorry about that. Thanks for letting me know and I try not to make that mistake again. Voorlandt 05:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnum house
You know, I declined to delete it, but it does need sources.DGG (talk) 07:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much
Thank you for the barnstar you awarded me, you cannot understate the pleasure it gave me. Now in Physics they state that nothing can really be created, but it seems in Feelings one actually create a lot from a little. That is a pleasure to work with you on the chess articles, let's continue and make Wikipedia better! SyG 09:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikiproject_chess
Thanks for your message on my talk page! I have joined the project. Cheers, Skarioffszky 17:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Chess/Review
I agree with you there is not a lot of activity on the reviews for the moment, but hopefully this is because of summer and we should wait for end of September to see what happens.

I would like to assess bughouse to A-class, but according to our own rules (damn us :-)) we should wait for a 3rd positive comment. I don't really know how we can attract more reviewers, maybe they are afraid by the amount of information you have to digest before starting the review.

In all cases, let's way a couple of days and I will downgrade Alekhine, Morphy and possibly endgame tablebases. SyG 10:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Oops
Thanks for cleaning up after me. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 16:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Oops 2
Thank you for your contribution in Alisa Maric article. Somehow I completely forgot about my special preset for notation in Chess Base, which is local not default. Ikaria 20:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Category:Chess players
I do not understand why have you sorted out the Category:Chess players, for such players as Izak Aloni, Yoel Aloni, etc. Do you intend to remove Category:Chess players from the English Wikipedia ?! Category:Chess players include all chess players who were/are not chess grandmasters. Please, look at the German Wikipedia where typical German reasonable order is established. The same scheme for all chess players, i.e. Moshe Czerniak - Kategorien: Mann | Pole | Israeli | Schachspieler | Schachspieler (Polen) | Schachspieler (Israel) | Geboren 1910 | Gestorben 1984. Mibelz 13:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello! Please look at the Category:Chess players where is written: "This category and its subcategories include notable chess players. Players who have been awarded the Grandmaster title will be found in the subcategory chess grandmasters(...)". Now many players (more than three hundred) are in this category and some are not. What is the criteria for it ? I would like to know what is a substantial difference - in that case - between for example Aloni and Czerniak ? So, the solution is simple: to add all or none chess players (of course, except grandmasters).

By the way, there is structural disorder in categories British chess players, English chess players and Scottish chess players. There are players in both categories, i.e. Cochran (British and Scottish), Mieses (British and English), and others only in one category, i.e. Short (English), Zukertort (British). Why ? In my opinion, all of British chess players ought to be also in English, or Scottish, or another (Welsh, Irish, etc.) subcategories. Mibelz 14:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

FEN template example
An example of FEN included can be seen in the template i made. An example of the syntax and the outcome can be seen on this test page. If you have any questions or suggests please let me know. ( a responded to template as well, but wasnt sure if you'd check back)  Matthew  Yeager  17:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Categories for Cheating in chess
I put cheating in chess in Category:Chess rules and Category:Chess competitions so I could get it out of the top-level chess category. I don't know if the chess competitions category is appropriate or not, but I added it because two sections of cheating in chess deal with competition related matters that aren't really in the province of chess rules, namely Collusion and Rating manipulation. I used the usual piped sort trick to sort the article under * which is commonly used for articles that relate to a category but aren't actually examples of items in the category. Quale 18:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed it to clear out the Category:Chess competitions, as I put all the * articles now in Category:Chess tournament systems. This cheating in chess article is really difficult to categorise, and it is perhaps good to have it in a few categories. So I reverted my edit. Voorlandt 19:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Re: Nicking sources: If I didn't hope that people could make use of stuff I do here, what would be the point? I'm riding on other people's shoulders (including yours) all the time.  This is the way that I hope we can make wikipedia the best general purpose chess information resource available.  (General purpose because I don't see the point in trying to compete in analysis or opening theory.  It violates WP:NOT here, and I'm not interested in putting it in wikibooks (at least right now)).  Of the sources I use, Hooper & Whyld is the most up to date and generally useful, but like most other general chess references it's out of print and more expensive than I would like when bought used.  I bit the bullet and bought a used copy and haven't regretted it.  (There are two editions of the Oxford Companion.  The second is mostly preferred but it does drop about 200 biographies from the first edition in order to make room for other stuff.  I only have the 2nd.)  Gaige's Chess Personalia is really specialized.  It gives little more than dates and places of birth and death, and dates of titles, but for this information it is the definitive source up to 1987.  Unlike most of the others, it's still in print.  If I had to choose between Golombek's Encyclopedia and Sunnuck's The Encyclopedia of Chess I'd go with the former.  Quite a bit of the material doesn't overlap, however, and I think they're both useful.  Brace's An Illustrated Dictionary of Chess is less generally useful than the others, but still helpful at times.  Dvinksy has a chess encyclopedia (Batsford) that I haven't seen, but some consider to be an update of Golombek's work.  Edward G. Winter hates it: Brittle heaven and I had some amusing discussion of this and Sunnuck's work on my talk page and on his.  One book I didn't put up there but that I think is the best available for its subject matter is Calvin Olson's The Chess Kings (Volume One).  It's the best book on modern chess history up to 1940, focusing on the World Championship.  It has an excellent annotated bibliography.  When I get to it, I plan to create some of the many missing articles on early chess championship matches (currently no pages for any championships before 1948 (!), and nothing between 1948 and 1963) using it as a main source. Quale 20:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Re: Chess Results: no, I don't have them. In fact, I didn't even know about them.  Thanks for bringing them to my attention, as they look interesting.  We might have someone else active in the project who knows something about them.  It would make a good question for WT:CHESS.  Quale 21:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

European Youth Chess Championship
The ECU-manual is not online. I have the championship-pages scanned from the manual. See here: de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Samson1964 --Frank Hoppe 05:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

European Junior Championship
Hello again, and congratulations on some excellent work on this and the 'youth' section - when it's all finished, you probably won't want to see another wikitable for quite a while! As you seem to be aware, Whyld's Guinness Chess The Records has a small entry on this competition, so I'll skip straight to the discrepencies, which I would imagine are only differences by tie-break or play-off:

Mens - 75/76 gives Kochyev only Mens - 77/78 gives Taulbut only Mens - 84/85 gives Hellers only Ladies - 77/78 gives Sikora and Kas (Hungary) - I believe this is WIM Dr. Rita Kas-Fromm (now Germany) - it seems odd however, that Whyld has not acknowledged a tie-break here, but has for the others above ...?

Also - some notes that might be useful ...

1. FIDE officially introduced the European Junior Championship in 1970 at their Annual Congress and so the 1970/71 71/72 (Sax) edition was the first EJC proper. Effectively, they adopted the 'Niemeyer Tournament', held every year in Groningen, and re-named / re-packaged it. Whyld, Sunnucks and Kazic are all pretty much agreed on this.

2. Whyld points out that Ftacnik's win in 76/77 was for finishing second, as the tournament was combined with the World Junior that year and an American (Diesen) finished first.

3. http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=DD605 is the link to the FIDE competition rules, if you wanted to extract any information, or simply use it as an External Link.

I hope this helps. Brittle heaven 23:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Latvian Chess Championship
Hi! Thanks for the LAT-ch list (1990-2005). Have you got any information on early Lithuanian championships (1921-1945) ? By the way, it is a problem with Machtas' first name: Z. Machtas, S. Machtas, or Aleksandras Machtas. Mibelz 19:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Tx for attention ! I know the article on Povilas Vaitonis very well, as I have written it ! I found the information he was six-times Lithuanian champion (1934, 1937, 1938, 1942, 1943, and 1944) in Polish chess encyclopedia: Litmanowicz, Władysław & Giżycki, Jerzy (1986, 1987). Szachy od A do Z. Wydawnictwo Sport i Turystyka Warszawa. ISBN 83-217-2481-7 (1. A-M), ISBN 83-217-2745-x (2. N-Z). Probably, it is a mistake. From the other hand, an unknown author presents the list of Lithuanian championships since 1943 (as 12th LTU-ch), without 1944, in . Btw, I am not sure about the correct count. So, we have a problem. Best wishes, Mibelz 21:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

National Chess Championships
Hello! Thank you very much for an information, though I found http://xoomer.virgilio.it/cserica/scacchi/storiascacchi/index.htm two years ago. It is a valuable source, although sporadic errors may occur. For example in Campionati nazionali: Argentina (see http://ar.geocities.com/carlasevigne/Campeonatos_Argentinos_tablas.htm and http://ar.geocities.com/carlasevigne/CAMPEONATOS_estadistica.htm), or Germania (Carl Carls won at Aachen 1934), etc. There is a Spanish source similar to Italian one http://www.ajedrezdeataque.com/05%20Palmares/Campeonatos/Nacionales/Nacionales.htm.

I have also found another very good source http://www.geocities.com/al2055Km/index.html RUSBASE (parts I - V), but sometimes with strange translation of names from Russian alphabet to Latin (various versions of the same players). Generally, it includes results of all important tournaments played in the Soviet Union. Best wishes, Mibelz 16:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Maurice Raizman
Hi! Would you be so kind to look at Maurice Raizman and help to put references and categories into it ? I have a problem with it and I do not know why ? Mibelz 13:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi! I was just online editing, and got your message. It was a ref which should have been a /ref. I hope it works now. Voorlandt 13:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! Mibelz 11:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Romanian Chess Championship
Thanks for your work completing the results for the Romanian Chess Championship. I originally set up separate sections for the men's and women's results because the information I had suggested that the men's and women's tournaments are not always held in the same city. I don't have any good sources handy right now and may not be able to check tonight, but I will try to check on it as soon as I can. If this is correct, the table will have to be fixed, either by splitting it into separate tables or by adding a second city column for the women's tournament. Quale 15:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

World Youth Chess Championship
As usual you're doing a great job on the World Youth Chess Championship article (and other articles too of course). I wish I could offer some assistance, but I don't have any information that would help. Maybe someone will see your message on WT:CHESS and pitch in. I have one small suggestion: it might be good to arrange the sections in decreasing order by age, starting with U-18 and working down to U-8. I think that would put the results of greatest interest to the most readers earlier on the page. On the other hand, it's fine the way it is too. Quale 15:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Spanish Chess championship
Hi! Are you sure there were four Spanish championships at Barcelona 1929 and Barcelona 1930 (or rather Barcelona 1929/30), Valencia 1932 and Valencia 1933 (or rather Valencia 1932/33) ? I would like to know the sources. For example, look at http://www.chessmetrics.com (Ramon Rey Ardid), please. Mibelz 9:46, 22 October 2007

Thanks and comments
Actually you and Mibelz deserve the thanks. Sometimes you seem almost like machines, with the large number of good articles you create. About the national championship: Mibelz noted that some of those championships are regional or supra-national, and I agree that separate categorization makes sense. It's a mistake to worry about categorization before there are enough articles to put in the cat, but I think there are enough. We also should think about individual vs. team and open vs. closed. All of the events on List of national chess championships and in Category:Chess national championships are individual events, but there are some team events that would fit under "national championships". Also, so far we include only closed events on the list, with the possible exception of some nations that might use an open event as the national championship. This matters only for countries that have both. I know the U.S. and Canada have both Open and Closed championships, and there are probably others. The Template:Sort thing is something I just learned about this week or I would have used it earlier. I'm not on a mad kick to add it to every sortable table we have, but I'll update them as I come across them. Your efficient editing makes me guess that you do much of your work outside the standard textarea control provided by Wikipedia. I use the low tech expedient of copying and pasting to and from emacs. (There are browser extensions to Firefox that would make this more automatic, but I'm not using them yet.) Quale 22:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Forgot something: If we go to a Regional chess championships list and/or categorization, we might have to be careful. Potentially someone could start creating articles for U.S. state championships.  Although I'm not necessarily dead set against this if the data is adequately sourced, I don't really think there are any U.S. state championships of any interest other than local.  (What I'd like to see instead are some good articles on the state organizations affiliated with the USCF.  The state championships could be mentioned briefly in those articles.)  Perhaps I shouldn't worry until a problem is demonstrated.  Quale 02:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your free time is wikipedia's gain, especially in WP:CHESS. Using a spreadsheet to create the tables is very smart.  A few days ago I thought that with the nice Javascript sorting support in wikitables, someone should also add export/download to spreadsheet support.  All that is required is to provide the table data in CSV format and advertize the download file name as "foo.csv" with the right content type, and most desktops will send it straight to a spreadsheet.  I wouldn't be surprised if someone is working on that now.  I don't have much spreadsheet-fu, so for wikipedia table editing I usually just use interactive macros in emacs with the rare perl 1-liner.  Unfortunately I don't read German (or really any languages other than English, although I had a little high school French), but I've noticed that they have some good articles, including better coverage of some chess subjects than we have the English wikipedia has. Quale 22:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

US champions
Thanks, I had seen the USCF yearbook. I stumbled across it when doing research while trying to expand U.S. Open Chess Championship and added it as a reference for that page. I had thought some about other championships that should have articles, and there are a few. Taking a quick look at it, I'd say U.S. Junior Invitational Chess Championship, National Open Chess Championship (have to do something about the name), U.S. Junior Open Chess Championship (maybe just a redirect with a section in U.S. Open), U.S. Senior Open Chess Championship (again maybe a redir to U.S. Open), American Open Chess Championship, World Open Chess Championship, and North American Open Chess Championship deserve an article. (The names of the National Open, American Open, and World Open articles might have to be changed because I don't know if calling them "championships" is customary or appropriate—maybe World Open chess tournament?) To show the variety of chess that is played, it might also be nice to have articles for the Armed Forces championships and the U.S. Blind Chess Championship. These last two wouldn't qualify based on the strength of the tournaments, but rather the inherent interest in the different sorts of chess competitions that are held. Of all these I think aside from the U.S. Junior Invitational, the two most deserving of an article are the World Open and the North American Open as they are prominent international open tournaments in Philadelphia and Las Vegas respectively with very large prize funds. I don't have enough material to get a good start on either of them right now, but there should be enough information on the web for recent years to at least create stubs. Quale 23:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Xoomer
Hi - you should find it is fixed now (but get back to me if not). The domain has been a little troublesome but it was largely my error in blocking it a little too harshly (there was a major placement of links across wikis). Apologies & regards -- Herby talk thyme 12:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

North Sea Cup
Congratulations on the new job—I hope it goes well. Of course there's no way I'll stop you from working on Wikipedia. You and Mibelz have done too good of a job and I appreciate the improved coverage of national and supranational championships too much. I also think we have many more tournaments we should cover. We definitely should categorize team chess separately, and open vs. closed might also call for categorization as you suggest. I started a list with some ideas (weighted toward older tournaments because of the sources I drew them from, although we need modern tournaments too like Dos Hermanos) in the absurdly ambitious to do list on my user page. Quale 23:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hungarian Chess Championship
I would like to echo Quale's congratulations on the new job. Your new employer has certainly gained a diligent and hard working staff member - and don't feel guilty about taking a short wiki-break if you need one; you certainly earned it.

Excellent work with IM Feher. I sense you are now very close to a finalised version of the Hungarian CC. Another possible source would be to send Susan Polgar a message on her website - I have posted stuff there before and it was very easy - no doubt she will have lots of contacts in Hungary, who could help, if she doesn't have the information herself.

My previous explanation of the numbering system (see introductory paras.) was only based on a logical guess (new Fed. = clean start) and maybe now, it is quite simply (post world war II = clean start). This seems most logical and I will amend the introduction accordingly, unless you have another theory? Anyway, thanks again for your work on this.

On another issue, I too had a trawl around looking for the elusive FIDE Golden Book, but could only find some references in a FIDE forum site, from about a year ago, where FIDE and ECF Official Stewart Reuben was talking about it; he promised to put the inquirer in touch with Iclicki, but didn't want to post his email on the forum. Unfortunately, the discussion gave no clue as to what might be in it, other than a list of title holders and dates of award of title. I will send Stewart an email and see if he can help. Brittle heaven 09:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I will certainly tidy up the lead on the Hungarian CC. Regarding the Euro/Youth Champs I have no new info yet - as a trial run I tried ransacking the darker corners of my cupboards and exposed a random selection of BCM/Chess mags from 1983. Reading them all cover to cover took hours; eventually, I found 2 refs to the Bucaramanga Cadets and both confirmed Dreev's win but neither mentioned any girls event! I tend to think it wasn't played. Unfortunately the mags are badly indexed and news like that is often hidden away (for some crazy reason the editors are always obsessed with world championships and Kasparov and stuff), so it's a monumental task and one I won't be completing in a hurry, although I won't give up on it without a fight. Willy Iclicki has just finished playing for Monaco in the Euro Teams (+0 =2 -6, Ouch!) in Crete and so may have a backlog of emails. Brittle heaven 22:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm still a bit puzzled here. To recap, your numbering system works up until Polgar's win in 1991, but by the time we reach 1998 (49th Ch.) we are contradicting our reference at the bottom of the page (TWIC says 1999 = 49th Ch.). This also appears in the lead - Quale's contribution if I recall. Then the synchronization returns for the next two TWIC references, but maybe only because we have conveniently left out 2001 (no info.)! Unfortunately, I don't have any answers - maybe TWIC was wrong in 1999? Unlikely I think - the Hungarians would have been aware of their 50th anniversary, for sure. Any ideas? Brittle heaven 09:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

shogi
Hi Voorlandt, Just wondering why shogi, one of the most popular chess variants - perhaps the most popular, as it's widely played in a nation of 125M - should be rated 'low' in importance. kwami 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Joseph Henry Collins
You beat me to it with the reference! Amazingly fast work! DuncanHill (talk) 23:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, many thanks. DuncanHill (talk) 23:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Bogdan Lalic
Thanks. You're right that Croatia is correct for 1995/6. I could have figured this out by looking at http://www.olimpbase.org/players/wgw0o24d.html which shows him playing for the Croatian Olympiad team in 1992, 1994, 1996, and 1998. He has an appearance for England in the World Team Ch. in 2003. Quale (talk) 21:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

National chess championships
I think that looks great, and is a big improvement over List of national chess championships. I would probably make at least some of the Federations into red links in the hope that that would encourage someone to create the articles, but that can always be done later. (Red links are a double-edged sword. They can be used for good or for evil, like most of the red links that were in List of chess openings named after places. I would like to have an article for every FIDE Federation, but these can be hard to research for mono-lingual folks like myself.)  If you're bored with it you can take a break and work on something else (not necessarily even Wikipedia) for a while. You have already done a remarkable amount of work including the unglamorous chore of keeping List of chess topics up to date. As I commented before, I really didn't think it was practical until you brought it up to date for the first time.

Somehow I had overlooked the fact that you were the one who created the Hastings International Chess Congress article, although I should have been able to guess without even looking. Hastings was at the top of my list of chess tournament articles to create, thanks for getting the ball rolling, since there's no telling how long I might have taken to get started. World Chess Championship 1886 is another chess article that has really improved quickly. I haven't added anything of value to that page yet, but I have a couple of sources not listed there yet that I can use to put in a few minor details. (I don't have any of the three books listed as references in the article, an excellent example of the collaborative power of Wikipedia.) Our weak coverage of WC events is another thing I'd like to see fixed. If I wait a little while longer, it looks like other people will do the work for me.... ;-) Quale (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year
I hope you had a good Christmas. I will copy the 'wanted photos' list across, as you suggest, and regularly check to see if any images have been added.

Excellent work on Chess around the world. I think this will need a prominent link from the front Chess title page, perhaps a mini feature article, not just a link from the 'See also' section.

Some good news on the World Junior/Youth Champs - I have now located a few snippets from CHESS magazine and while it is still a work in progress, I will try to make some entries over the next few days, probably in newly created 'Notes' sections. These 'snippets' are not very comprehensive (a bit patchy and probably just 1990s for now), but give some dates, venues and runners-up info to supplement your main tables. Feel free to change the format around, add national flags etc., as you wish. Unfortunately, I don't think what I found clarifies any of the contentious/unclear facts we were already aware of, but hopefully, it doesn't create any new ones either! We can maybe debate later any small discrepencies. I have so far found very little on the European Junior/Youth events but will continue working on these, for a while at least. Brittle heaven (talk) 12:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello again
Dear Voorlandt,

I appreciate your support, but the major the reason why the article "China at the 37th Chess Olympiad" was put up for deletion was because it was an orphan entry and the person thought it was only a duplication, not because he thought it was unworthy to be there. A second person said it was a split. As you can tell it is not an orphan, it is not only a duplication and it is not a split from 37th Chess Olympiad. China at the Chess Olympiads itself is the main country daughter article of the 37th Chess Olympiad; and the yearly China at the XXth Chess Olympiad/s are the daughter articles of the China at the Chess Olympiads like a tree branches.

A third person said that there is too much detail. I don't think there is enough detail! This is subjective and doesn't warrant deletion. I would like to add the openings of each game and how many moves were taken in each game in the rounds. And hopefully maybe cite analysis from published literature for notable games.

I will continue building the other yearly articles because by my nature I don't like to wait.

Regards, Golle. Gollenaiven (talk) 06:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again
Thanks for Mar del Plata chess tournaments. I don't think I have any great sources for the winners, but I'll check what I have this weekend to try to verify your hard work. I'm glad I waited for you to do the article instead of starting it myself. You did a better job, including many TWIC references, than I would have. Also thanks for catching the Boris Blumin PROD. Quale (talk) 22:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Portal
I have created a portal called Portal:Animal and I am lacking of experience to edit it. Could somebody help me to improve it?--Mark Chung (talk) 14:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Croatian Chess Championship
Hmmm, this information is very elusive. I spent a lot of time trawling through the Crochess site, but to no avail - it would be surprising if they don't have an archive list of past champions, but with no knowledge of Serbo-Croat, there's a chance I've just missed it.

The 2003 win by Zelcic was just me taking a slightly cavalier approach. I first saw the FIDE record and like you, noticed the outstanding games and so set out for some corroborating evidence. I didn't see the other wiki site, but read the Croat biography that you had linked to your article and worked out that Prvak Hrvatske was Croatian Champion or similar and thus I was moderately happy that this confirmed the 2003 win, although I couldn't translate the 'open championship' bit (in fact, I assumed it was something like "on tie break" or "after a play-off"). I wasn't too concerned about 'open' or 'closed' issues, since Zelcic is Croatian, and so would be the champion if he had won the event in either circumstance. Lastly, I didn't bother adding the FIDE record as a reference, because your Croatian bio link seemed better (well for Serbo-Croat readers, anyway). Sadly, it was difficult to be of much assistance on this one - it's probably time I went back to phase 2 of the Euro/World Junior/Youth Championship references - but I am having nightmares about piles of magazines conquering the world!

The FIDE site is definitely not to be trusted completely though, and can really play tricks. I looked up an event some time ago and it clearly gave one list of players with one winner, and no games outstanding. An 'open and shut case', or so I thought ... What I didn't realise, was that it was a 2 group affair, and so the winner of Group B, despite having a lower score than the winner of Group A, went on to win the final between the group winners - so FIDE's record showed the runner-up as appearing to be the winner - very misleading indeed! I'm not sure why games are sometimes missing; maybe lazy controllers, players not handing in scoresheets, illegible scoresheets, the Sveshnikov factor? - probably all four. I can understand that they may not bother to show games between unrated players, but this was not the case here. Brittle heaven (talk) 22:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * First, a link that gives a very small amount of (Eng. lang) info on the establishment of the Croatian Chess Federation - - You asked about bound volumes of magazines. I would first of all say that these are good value; I have a few myself and they are both entertaining and illuminating for people with an interest in chess history. You will find lots of material for new articles, without a doubt. Doing my research for the Euro/World Junior events, I was amazed how many mental notes I made to go back and explore future articles, if I ever get the time. For those reasons alone, I would encourage you to buy them. If I had my time again I would buy far less books on the Ruy Lopez, Steinitz Defence Deferred (which only gather dust and it's far more instructive to play through a hundred games on Chessbase) and far more of these. But to answer your specific question - will it nail down those particular questions? I'd say you have a 'reasonable' chance with British Chess Magazine, say 60%, and far less chance, say 40%, with CHESS magazine, which was always been more parochial and regrettably, more plentiful in my patchy collection. The basic problem was the lack of internet access back in the eighties. Information was very scant and lacking in any substance - looking at CHESS you can see that they were just generally confused by these new junior events - they only have results on occasional years and give the events different names each time etc. Maybe FIDE were equally confused, and also the BCF, who were notoriously useless and who would have been the funnel for a lot of the info. BCM probably had a more inquisitive editor, who made an effort to establish some of the background. I use eBay now and again for buying old mags - you can get some good bargains, but buying specific years would be just down to luck. The cost at the BCM website does seem quite reasonable also. Of course, John Saunders, the BCM editor, is an occasional editor here too (he wrote the Matthew Sadler (chess player) bio) - you could always try to strike up a conversation and see if he can do you a cheap deal in the name of wiki research! Also, his email is on his user page - User:John Saunders. I guess Willy Iclicki didn't return your email? Any more news on the Golden Book? I could still write to Stewart Reuben, but was waiting to see if you managed to make any headway first. Regarding your idea about publicising our missing info, how about an article in BCM, asking the readership to assist; could John Saunders help out here too? There must be some slack months when he's looking for some easy copy ...? Brittle heaven (talk) 02:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Robert Henry Barnes
Hi! Have you got any information about Robert Henry Barnes ? I have found name R.H. Barnes in Edo Historical Chess Ratings (see http://members.shaw.ca/edo2/players/p857.html). Do you know whether he was German or British (like T.W. Barnes) ? Regards, Mibelz (talk) 14:26, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Would you be so kind to add a reference for his NZL-ch? Mibelz 23:00, 3 Feb 2008 (UTC)

New Zealand Chess Championship
Hello again. Unfortunately, Whyld has a few disagreements with the NZ website list of champs - but nothing too major thankfully. Many of the winners were decided by play-off and Whyld gives additional play-offs in 62/63 (Sutton winning), 73/74 (Sarapu winning) and 75/76 (Chandler winning). Additionally, he gives the venue of the 80/81 edition as the more precise Canterbury, New Zealand. No doubt they used the University there, but I believe this is pretty close to Christchurch in any case. Brittle heaven (talk) 23:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm puzzled - Wikipedia has John Boyd Dunlop as the man who invented Dunlop tyres, born much earlier than our man, yet Whyld definitely gives our man as John Boyd and this link indicates he was called John, so we have a choice; either we call our man John B. Dunlop or John Boyd Dunlop (chess player). Any preference? Brittle heaven (talk) 23:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Phew, sorted it (I hope). Fortunately, as well as being a descendent of the Dunlops from Ayrshire, a Reverand and a multiple champion chess player, he was also a noted ornithologist in his later years - at least I think it's the same guy - . John Boyd-Dunlop - he probably married a 'Miss Boyd' from NZ, I guess. If you want to check it out, you'll need to use the 'find' function on the Adobe toolbar! Brittle heaven (talk) 00:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * On second thoughts, our guy would have been dead in the 1980s. I have changed to John Dunlop (chess player), as this is how the Chess Cafe article refers to him and it appears very expertly written. Brittle heaven (talk) 01:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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Some first names
I found a Lancel in Gaige, but it probably isn't the right one. See User talk:Quale. Quale (talk) 23:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have found only Tooraj Ebrahimi who played for Iran in the 19th Chess Olympiad at Siegen 1970. I am not sure he is the same person as Y. Ebrahimi, winner at Brussels 1968. Mibelz (talk) 12:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

1998 in chess
Thanks for dealing with that AfD nomination for me. Your speedy response seems to have averted a prolonged debate. Regards, Brittle heaven (talk) 16:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Slovenian Chess Championship
Hi! I have just changed it. I think the Slovenian source is better than an Italian one (see Campionati nazionali della Slovenia). Regards, Mibelz 14:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Capablanca Memorial
Hello ! It is a little problem with this list because of some errors in sources. I have just finished to improve the list, and I hope it is correct now. My analyze is based on those sources:

1. Limanowicz & Giżycki - the tournaments only from 1962 to 1981 (good source)

2. Umiastowski & Lissowski (astercity.net) - the tournaments (1962-2006) but not all and some tables with missing games (i.e. 1984, 1987, 1990)

3. Jan van Reek - errors for 1980 and 1984 (Garcia Gonzales, Rodriguez Cespedes and Knaak did not play in A-tournaments but in B-tournaments), [see Litmanowicz (...), Umiastowski (...), and www.chessmetrics.com]

4. French "La Havane : Memorial Capablanca" - errors for 1980 and 1990 (Arencibia 9.0 points, although Remón 9.5 - see, http://www.zeitnot.com.ve/Historia_Torneo_Capablanca.htm)

Best wishes, Mibelz 22:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Contribution tool
Hi. Sorry for the waiting but I corrected my tool now. It runs again. Enjoy! Escaladix (talk) 21:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Belarusian Chess Championship
Hi! I have just updated some names in Belarusian Chess Championship. By the way, in my opinion I.Kadimova is Ilaha Kadimova. Last name Kadimov (man) or Kadimova (woman, Kadimov's wife) is not a Slavic name, and Ilaha Kadimova is from Azerbaijan. Regards, Mibelz 23:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ralf Appel
Hi. Sorry to bother you with maybe a trivial question. I am absolutely not familiar with the notability guidelines here. Before I write an article for deletion I would like to know if for instance Ralf Appel can pass here. German IM with 2 GM norms, was German Fast Chess Champion 1988, German U20 Champion 1989. Plays in the German first division (formerly for Castrop Rauxel, now for Wattenscheid), Elo 2529. de:Ralf Appel. Sorry, but I don't know where else to ask. Cheers, --Gereon K. (talk) 21:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind an informative answer. I was bold enough to write Camilla Baginskaite instead, although she is not a GM (just WGM), only won national women championships (Lithuania and US) and only played at Woman's Chess Olympiads. If that's not enough for notability and the article gets deleted so be it. Actually what I'm doing here is simply translating the articles that I wrote for de.wikipedia (a list of them here). It only takes me 15 minutes to write an article here that way. I apologize for grammatical and/or spelling mistakes since I'm not a native speaker. --Gereon K. (talk) 14:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

GA-Class
Hello, I have answered to your point on GA-class directly in my Talk page. SyG (talk) 22:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Correspondence GMs
Thanks for getting the correspondence GMs out of the grandmasters category. We should have a separate category for correspondence GMs. I can populate it if we can figure out what to call it. Which name would be better: I'm not sure, I go back and forth between them. Maybe it isn't really important which one we use. Unfortunately I don't know anything about correspondence and I don't pay any attention to it in general, except for the famous Estrin-Berliner Two Knights D. game. Quale (talk) 22:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Category:Correspondence chess grandmasters
 * Category:Grandmasters of correspondence chess

List of chess terms
Can you comment on the name of this topic, is there a reason for it starting 'list of'? Talk:List_of_chess_terms ChessCreator (talk) 23:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, could you copy or move your reply to Talk:List_of_chess_terms so others are aware of it. ChessCreator (talk) 20:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Voorbot
Can you update 'User:Voorbot/Most wanted redlinks' again please. ChessCreator (talk) 17:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. Something don't make sense. "Vitaly Chekhover -- 5" bot says, but I count six pages and eight links.


 * 1) Chekhover Sicilian (2 links on this page)
 * 2) Leningrad_City_Chess_Championship (2 links on this page also)
 * 3) Vsevolod_Rauzer
 * 4) Endgame_study
 * 5) Uzbekistani_Chess_Championship
 * 6) Yuri_Averbakh
 * ChessCreator (talk) 01:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Happy to hear the bot is working fine and the link on Yuri_Averbakh is faulty. ChessCreator (talk) 10:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

To do
Feel free to add stuff to the To do list on my user page. The only problem with the list is that I never actually do any work that would make it shorter, but fortunately others sometimes create the missing articles. Quale (talk) 15:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Levon Aronian
I'm glad you did a little work on Levon Aronian. With his results this year at Wijk aan Zee, Linares, and Melody Amber there should be some good references we can use to improve the article. He has the M-Tel Masters coming up in May. Quale (talk) 22:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Magazines
Hi - Great poster. It seems that the girls have been watching too many episodes of 'Dallas', hence the 'big hair', and Alexei Dreev just looks ... well ... like a psychopath. I bought 'Chess' (complete Vols but not bound) for 1987-1991 last week from eBay, thereby filling the big hole in my collection. That means I now have just about full coverage from 1984 up to date. I also have full coverage of 1973-1976 and only about 15 missing issues in between those periods, mostly from 78, 79 and 80. The missing issue I am most concerned about though is December 1983; there's a slim possibility that the 1983 Youth Ch. report will be in that issue, but then again, who knows? I'm mystified that BCM had no Youth reports. I was, like you, hoping that some of the missing nuggets might be there, because we're rapidly running out of avenues. My own BCM collection is mostly mid to late 70s with some coverage of 1955 and 1987 and so not much use in the context of the current exercise. I will, when I get time, revisit a whole bunch of 1980s issues just in case I've missed something, and I've still got a few of my new acquisitions to look at for the first time. What joy! I'll also study some of those excellent weblinks you've posted, to see if we can solve the Cadets mystery. Regards. Brittle heaven (talk) 17:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just had a browse of the upcoming 2008 Vietnam WYCC website to see if there were any more historical facts/clues. The homepage/invitation is from that nice man Ignatius Leong, the former Secretary General or whatever of FIDE who wrote the short history you posted. This time there's a whole toolbar link for 'WYCC History' - looks promising, I thought, but guess what I found there ... ? Okay, it's probably easier to have a look - - Brittle heaven (talk) 17:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC).

Cadets
I'm still finding lots of refs to say that the early editions were Under 18. Many for Mestel's win, including the 1974 Batsford Chess Yearbook by O'Connell, where he claims in the Preface to have read "almost a thousand chess magazines from the USA, USSR, France, Netherlands, Australia and Great Britain" as part of his research. So it's difficult to see how he could have got it wrong. I also found in Sept 1975 Chess a reference to Goodman's win - again described as Under 18.

Interestingly, the 1976/77 Batsford Yearbook describes the Grinberg win as being part of a 'World Cup for Cadets'. O'Connell doesn't give an age limit and looking at the contestants, their ages vary wildly from 16+ (Foisor, Grinberg, v.d. Wiel) down to 12+ (Kasparov, Morovic, Hodgson). So I wonder if this was an attempt at holding one event with layers of prizes for best finishers under a range of ages? Note though that I couldn't check all the ages - there may be others that are older than 16.

Then, big breakthrough! (August 1978 - Chess) - "(Jon Arnason) has now won the FIRST World Under 17 Championship". Annoyingly, I had already been to this page when I researched the Arnason article, and for some reason wrote it down as Under 16. I don't know why, it must have conflicted with something else I read at the time - probably Whyld (Guinness Chess: The Records) which has a whole section titled up as World Under 16 - containing Arnason.

There's more. It could be that Whyld has it all just about worked out - reading his lead carefully (which I probably didn't do when writing the Arnason article) ... "After one year as an under 16 event, it became under 18 for the next two years. Recognised by FIDE, it became under 17 in 1977 and remained so until 1981 when it finally reverted to under 16. In the same year, a girl's event was introduced ... " If we ignore the discrepancy at the start, the rest accords quite well with our evidence - the Bucaramanga 1983 Poster which said '3rd Edition', and the Goodman and Arnason findings. But what of year one? Researching the Mestel win some more, I have checked the birthdates of a few of the contestants and found the eldest to be around 17½ at the time; I have therefore concluded that Whyld must have got that bit wrong. Under 18 still looks most likely. Of course, I realise I am ignoring the Canadian article's assertion that FIDE used 'age at the start of the year the contest is held in' but that really muddies the waters and I'm not sure where it leaves us.

Now the question is whether to split the Cadets up some more, or leave them together and give an explanation in the notes (not easy to reference though, because we're tying together various shreds of evidence rather than quoting from one fully correct source). Brittle heaven (talk) 23:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I tend to think that's probably a mistake. Maybe it was just in the mind of the editor that France historically organises under 17 tournaments. Dreev and Piket were both under 16 when that event took place. If there were other notable names given in an extended list of contestants, you may just want to check their ages at the time of the event, to be more reassured. It sounds like the contest was well and truly under the aegis of FIDE by then, so I can't see why the age limit would go back to the earlier French U-17 standard for one year. Speaking of mistakes, I checked Brace (pub. 1977) and found reference to a World Cadet Championship - and although he confirms the first 2 editions were U-18 and won by Mestel and Goodman, he then messes up by saying the event was inaugurated in 1975. Hooper and Whyld (pub. 1984) says simply that FIDE 'organises events for World Juniors (under 20) and World Cadets (Under 16)'. Unfortunately, there's no way of knowing whether this comment was typeset prior to the 1984 event you speak of. I think I would go along the lines you suggest - keep the cadets in one block, but add under-18 from 1974-1976, then under-17 to each edition after and including 1977. This could be annotated within one of the boxes in the block, or even as a footnote, like with Ftacnik/Diesen in the Euro/World Junior. Then all we need to do is start solving some of the other conflicts ... while wondering where FIDE/Mr Leong get their facts from (probably an earlier version of Wikipedia!) Brittle heaven (talk) 23:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Good work updating the WYCC page. I think Horge Hasbun may be better as Jorge Hasbun. Horge was how they had it in CHESS, but on second thoughts, it strikes me as an over-anglicisation - and Jorge checks out better everywhere else. Also, Sahajasri's first name is Cholleti - from Olimpbase.

I have now swapped a couple of emails with Stewart Reuben. He is amazed we can't find the FIDE Golden Book and suggests we try Willy again or email the FIDE office. The latter sounds like a good try. I did ask him to look in his own copy for our missing entries and this is a direct copy of his annotations to my list:


 * San Juan (Puerto Rico) 1987 - Girls under 18 champion no information


 * Guayaquil (Ecuador) 1982 - Girls under 16 champion probably did not exist


 * Bucaramanga (Colombia) 1983 - Girls under 16 champion Mexico 1-2 F.Khasanova USSR, Arbunic CHI. Whether the title was split, I don't know.


 * San Juan (Puerto Rico) 1986 - Girls under 12 champion - this was the year that Dharshan Kumaran won the boys under 12. no girls listed


 * San Juan (Puerto Rico) 1986 - Girls under 10 champion


 * Also, we have seen an oblique reference to Jorge Zamora (Palestine, then Honduras) winning the under 12 section, but can't trace when this occurred. no mention

Not sure if this speeds things along exactly, but it's helpful just to know what that book says (- Mexico 1983?? Maybe Iclicki wrote some bits from memory, getting Mexico confused with Colombia in the process), although he seems to have completely missed the under 10 question. He also reminds me that the World Girls started in 1926 with Menchik, something I've not mentioned up till now, but was aware of. I'm sure I have some info on this somewhere. Pages 55 - 66 of The Golden Book cover the WYCC apparently. Brittle heaven (talk) 22:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I don't know if it's Stewart or the layout of The Golden Book that is confused here, but some events do appear to have been jumbled up. Maybe FIDE stopped printing the book deliberately, with so many errors! Whyld gives the 'World Junior Women's Championship' all joined up (and all U-21 to answer your question - nothing is ever simple) in one table. Hence it is laid out thus - from 1926-37 as you have already noted, then (NEW ONE!) 1982 Senta - Brustman (POL); followed by 1983 Mexico - Khasanova (USSR); 1985 Dobrna - Arakhamia (USSR). As the book was published in 1986, he stops there. An entry in Sunnucks suggests that each girl in those early editions had only one win and remained the champion until it was next contested. I too read somewhere that those early editions were British wins due to the restricted/parochial nature of the competition, being mostly dominated by competitors from the home countries (although I think we can safely assume that Menchik would have won whoever she was up against). It may be worth showing these in a small table above the main one, or just join it through like Whyld. Alternatively, like you say, there is no rush ... in fact, I think a short break from junior chess might be in order. Brittle heaven (talk) 22:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Chess to-do list
Actually you're the one doing the heavy lifting getting new chess pages created, so I salute you. (Mibelz is also creating oodles of chess bios.) I'm especially glad that you are willing to take the initiative to contact others in the chess world who have valuable information that we lack. The amount of work that you and Brittle heaven have put into research for World Youth Chess Championship is really remarkable, and it is the few articles like that one (and the new First move advantage in chess) where I think that en.wikipedia actually has the best and most accurate information available in English on the subject. The Brooklyn Eagle link is very cool, since it has been through some sophisticated OCR and is text searchable, but also has images of the originals. Unfortunately they have only made available issues through 1902 even though US copyright law should allow them to go up through 1922. (Maybe they ran out of money, or are still working on them.) There is a lot of chess content on the Brooklyn Eagle for those years even though I don't think it had a regular chess column. I found it while trying to find some early references for the Manhattan Chess Club and the Marshall Chess Club. Quale (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Isador Samuel Turover
Hello! I have found an information that Isador Turover (1892-1978) was a Belgian chess player. Do you know something about his early years ? Regards, Mibelz (talk) 15:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your answer. Mibelz 17:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

WYCC
Hi, you may have noticed that a fairly anonymous editor has entered a new name in the WYCC - Julia Sarwer (girls U-10, 1968), the sister of Jeff, a strangely disfunctional, yet successful family by all accounts. It appears to be a genuine entry, as the following weblink gives good, clear confirmation .... Not too many to go now! Regards Brittle heaven (talk) 00:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Grandmasters - title years
Hello! Thank you for your nice words :) I take GMs' birthdates and years of GM's title awarding mainly from FIDE International Lists (I have all lists since January 1st, 1990). Earlier titles I try to find on Internet (f.e. chessgames.com, players' home pages) and Litmanowicz/Giżycki "Szachy od A do Z" encyclopaedia and old "Szachy" magazines. But there are still many holes :) Unfortunately I didn't find one full source for that data. Regards, pjahr (talk) 09:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course. These are dBase files, do you want me to send it to you via e-mail? If yes, please give me your e-mail address and tell ma which years you need. Regards pjahr (talk) 09:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Grandmasters - dates of birth
Hello, I tried some searching, but had little luck. Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Montenegro are not the countries covered best on the Internet. However, it looks like Aidyn Guseinov died on 30 October 2003, at the age of 46 (which contradicts the birth year of 1952). Conscious (talk) 11:40, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the barnstar! These articles, in fact, are bare statistics and need to be filled with more information. Hopefully someone will improve them (WP:CHESS, maybe?) Conscious (talk) 17:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Memorials
Hello. Excellent work on these btw - any more in the pipeline? I did notice that the Chigorin Mem. 1909 image featured Lasker (left side of board/table) facing Rubinstein (right side). Probably not worth adding to the caption as it's quite a small photo, but I was curious whether they took it afterwards, deliberately putting 1st & 2nd finishers in the prime places, or whether it was taken at the start and their positions were just a happy coincidence - it's amazing what useless thoughts go through my mind sometimes! On the Rubinstein Memorial page, there is a minor discrepancy with an article in (Feb '70) CHESS magazine, which gives the 1964 edition as shared between Filipowicz (POL) and Parma (YUG), each with 9½, ahead of Hort (CZE) on 9. Of course this could just stem from a tie-break that the CHESS editor was unaware of. Otherwise, my results 1963 through 1969 appear a good match. Brittle heaven (talk) 12:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info on the .pdf Section Guide Project - it sounds good, even if I'm not sure I fully understand it! - this would improve on the current situation with very poor accessibility to articles via our front 'Chess' page right? So you use the .pdf to navigate via chapters, indexes and the like and eventually end up at the article you're searching for? That sounds excellent if I've got it right, because at the moment the external non-user almost needs to know the full name of the article to stand a chance. Please correct me if I'm talking rubbish here ...! Also, I wondered if you had missed my point above concerning the 1964 Rubinstein ... it was a shared win with Parma I believe ... hopefully this link confirms it - . Regards, Brittle heaven (talk) 17:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi—regarding a 1975 Chigorin Mem, I have a lot of 70's tournament sources and have checked them all quite thoroughly, but to no avail. It seems likely there was only an Under-20 tournament in Sochi that year (according to my ancient version of Chess Assistant - have you checked Chessbase?). It is curious though, because there are lots of 1975 Sochi commemorative postal covers on eBay to mark 125 years since his birth (1850) - so why would they not hold the memorial tournament on such a special year? Unfathomable. The series numbers too are very confusing, one source gives the 1974 edition as the 7th, whereas another source gives the 1976 edition as the 11th! I don't think there was a 1938/39 tournament; the ChessCafe link appears to refer to a problem composition event (it might still be worth a mention in the article though, if you can find out anything about it). This would make sense where it is spread over two years; I would imagine these endgame study competitions to be lengthy affairs. I don't think anyone has Gaige's crosstables - it always causes a complete silence on the talk pages, that question! I must remember to throw it into the middle of a fierce edit war sometime to see what happens! I nearly bought all of the Gelo crosstables books recently, but wasn't sure if I would use them enough to justify the expense. There were (and probably still are) greatly reduced, second hand copies on Amazon.co.uk (about £12 or 18 euros each I think). The only other possibility is to check Mibelz' usual online crosstable sources from a selection of his articles - they're listed on his userpage. He always seems able to locate obscure old tournament crosstables. Brittle heaven (talk) 22:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good result—the Chigorin article is looking much better now. The mid-seventies are quite well covered in my collection due to having several copies of "The Chess Player" (with many crosstables), so do feel free to ask me about this period in particular. Good luck with the 'Keres M'. When you get around to the 'Staunton M', the history is all indexed from one page - - so that should be relatively easy! Regards Brittle heaven (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Noam Elkies et al.
Noam Elkies	'' ... not a normal chess grandmaster ...''

Well: FIDE also awards Grandmaster titles to composers and solvers of chess problems, see list of grandmasters of the FIDE for chess compositions. --AndrejJ (talk) 20:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Computer Champs
Hi - As usual, more complications - this time I'm slightly confused by the Paderborn article. In the 1999 in chess article I have noted Shredder as the world champion program based on this ref. - which I believe relates to an event held in Paderborn, although it's not absolutely clear. Cross referencing with the new article, I noticed there is no '1996' (and also 2x 2005) in the Paderborn list of winners and wondered if there was an error. If 1996 is erroneously missing, then the 1999 winner would transfer to Shredder and would indicate another edition shared with the world championship, which seems logical. Or did they really host two separate events that year? Any ideas?—Brittle heaven (talk) 17:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up. The University of Paderborn must have a very keen interest in computer chess! Well done with all those Memorials too ... they just keep rolling off the production line. —Brittle heaven (talk) 21:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Nuremberg 1896 chess tournament
Hello! Thanks for your work to convert results to tables. Would you be so kind to add an image into Nuremberg 1896 chess tournament, as you did for Vienna 1898 chess tournament? -- Best wishes, Mibelz 20:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. User:Mibelz 16:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Chess Life
Hi, the DVD collection sounds like an absolute bargain; Quale has previously pointed this out higher up on my talk page (he was informed by Krakatoa), but I admit I have not yet got round to doing anything about it. Would the discs be 'All Regions' compatible though? - I doubt my antiquated DVD player would take the U.S. Region Code 1 ... that's my only concern ... and it's so typical that retailers tell you that you need a dvd player (obvious) and Adobe (most people would know), but not the only crucial piece of info (i.e. is it Region 0?)!

Any electronic chess mags would be much appreciated. Do you need my email, or are they too large to attach? Regards, Brittle heaven (talk) 09:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Historical Elo ratings & other player data
Hi - not sure if you've already seen this, but Olimpbase have a downloadable zipped file (about 9 Mb) here - which contains all Elo ratings for players in the period 1971-2000 (2000-2008 is on the FIDE website of course). Most players have 'date of birth' 'nationality' and 'title' given too - quite a useful resource! Brittle heaven (talk) 14:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Tilburg
Hi there—I have checked my Tilburg tournament books of the 70s and 80s, but there was nothing there that I'd call noteworthy; just lots of annotated games and a few scraps of information that are already available in your online source. I will check CHESS magazine for the 1992 and 93 versions and get back to you. —Brittle heaven (talk) 13:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, the format for each of these 'ko style' tourneys comprised 3 days per round; game 1 on day 1, game 2 on day 2 (both at classic time limits). Day 3 was a rest day, but for those tied 1-1 it was the day to play 2 more tie-break games (each with rapid time limit) and in a few cases, another 2 (not sure if these were the same rapid speed or even faster). Also not sure what they did if they reached 3-3 - presumably, they played one more {armageddon?) game (toss for colours - white gets extra time but must win - black goes through in the event of a draw). I have found the ko results for '92 and '93 and presume you only want the data from round 4 (last 16) onwards. I will email this for '92 (plus any supporting info) soon and when I get a chance, '93 will follow.—Brittle heaven (talk) 16:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Chess Magazine only did a summary of events in 1994 and so did not publish the complete game results. Fortunately, I managed to find them here - at Brasilbase. I will add some text for it soon, along with the relevant Chess mag references, if you would like to update the game results in the meantime. Regards—Brittle heaven (talk) 17:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:World Youth Chess Championship
Hello. "Szachy" 8/1987, p. 178-180 gives WchJ girls u16 in Innsbruck (1987) number 4th and in the summary explaines that in 1981 was held World Cup and World Championships started since 1984. In other themes - I am really hard working on Polish Wikipedia, completing list of all medalists in all categories EchJ and WchJ (unfortunetately it will be uncompleted in early years) and working at chess grandmasters' articles (there are days that I spend 6-8 hours at Wikipedia...) - it is not possible to help you at English Wiki. Here are houndreds of chess creators, at Polish - I am really alone. Besides: how many people all over the world speak English, and how many - Polish?... You have so big potential, I cannot understand that you miss many important articles and many of existing are very poor... In my opinion, German Wikipedia is the best of all. Do you agree? Regards, pjahr (talk) 21:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Various issues
Hi there, Please be assured that I welcome your questions—completing 'YYYY in chess' for 1973 - 1989 is going to be an arduous task, so it's good to have a few diversions! These articles will eventually come to life when people paste games, game fragments, photos etc. in between the text, but for now, it's just important to get some basic facts in place. Returning to your message, I would like to consider your interesting questions/points in more detail and so, I will get back to you about these soon. In the meantime, a few questions for you too;


 * Is it possible to narrow the table in Chess around the world? It's the only table where I have to scroll along to get the last column - and the last column is the one that gets regular use! I thought maybe combine the Federation with the Official Website in one column ...


 * Seeing Pjahr's comment above (about how good the German Wiki is for chess) reminded me of Mibelz' link to the German equivalent of List of strong chess tournaments (the link is at our 'List of ...' discussion page). The de.wiki layout really is brilliant and so much better than ours. Could it be replicated and transferred to en.wiki? I only ask because you are so brilliant with tables ... obviously, the names would need changing to the anglicised form and this would also take some time ...


 * I note you don't have the 'Alekhine Memorial' on your 'to do' list ... have you perhaps already looked into it and found it too difficult? I must admit, I am speaking from total ignorance here (is it mostly held in Moscow?), but it sounds like it should be an important one. Brittle heaven (talk) 00:54, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

WYCC
Sorry for the delay—it's been a hectic period, covering for absent work colleagues and also investigating a possible trip to Liverpool to watch the EU Individual Open Championship in September. It looks a very strong tournament—.

Eventually, some (partially evasive?) answers to your questions …
 * Chess around the world is now greatly improved. Thanks.
 * I did find Pjahr's outburst a little surprising, but if he means we have a lot of editors who tinker at the edges without really contributing anything substantial, well then he may have a point! But I believe the French wiki is the only version that is seriously dragging its heels on chess.
 * I am really torn on the use of the 1, 2, 3 result in the Youth tournaments; on the one hand, these are medal positions, so they are very worthy of being recorded and I am sure we could find enough information to fill most slots. But what of the disbenefits? There could be a lot of unclear results due to tie-breaks, where we think we have 1, 2, 3 when actually it should be 1, 1, 3 or 1, 2, 2 etc. The Hasbun case is a good example - should he be recorded as 1st= or 2nd in 1988? Can anyone say for sure? Probably, you'd have to feel comfortable with posting a lot of inaccuracies that will only be cleared up over time. Also, we'd flood the page with a multitude of red link names, most of which would likely never become biographies. Then there's the 'Notes' section. I have already added the 1, 2, 3, where the information seems unambiguous and reliable … so in some respects, the data is already in the article. Okay, maybe I'm being unnecessarily guarded or cautious here … I certainly wouldn't be outraged if we went the 1, 2, 3 route and as it's mostly your article, I'd be happy for you to decide. Either way, I'll add more notes when I get time. Your idea to add the remaining 90s (and onwards) from TWIC is excellent, as it will allow me to concentrate on revisiting the earlier editions and I will also try to progress the poorly covered Euro versions too. Respect to Krakatoa for his recent work on the World Junior!
 * I quite agree about he possibility of an illustration, a poster perhaps - images of this type are usually relaxed on copyright and it would enhance the article considerably.
 * Yes, I frequently wonder about that Bucaramanga photo of '83 - it still seems likely those girls played, but I suppose another possibility is some kind of parallel beauty pageant, where 'Miss Brazil' sat next to the Brazilian chess player etc. Who knows? - but I hope we find out one day!
 * My CHESS magazine library continues to spread slowly and I aim to plug the gaps whenever the missing copies/volumes come available on eBay. I don't have too many gaps between 1970 and the present day and I intend to push into the 1960s next (unfortunately, these ones and the Fischer 70-72 period tend to be very expensive!). Generally, they aren't that easy to get hold of though, so you should probably go ahead and do your own thing, as the opportunity arises, and to suit your own interests and budget. It's obviously a lot cheaper buying unbound sets, if you don't mind the inconvenience factor, but personally, I can't live with the mess! Brittle heaven (talk) 22:13, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Soviet Chess School
Thanks, you got there before me.  SmokeyTheCat   •TALK•  15:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Great Tip
Hi, Just noticed the article Andrei Kharlov and the stencil you made. Great work on both! A little note though, usually we link to fide and chessgames using the corresponding templates, eg for Andrei Kharlov this is done like this:

I have updated the article accordingly, perhaps the stencil should be updated too. The fide template came in handy recently, as fide reorganised their website, we only had to update our template, instead of updating 100s of articles! Welcome to the wikiproject chess and happy editing!! Voorlandt (talk) 22:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks for the tip. I didn't even know these templates exsisted!  See you around,   α Яβ ι  τ Я α Я ι ŁΨθ  ( talk ) 22:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Upload of photographs
Hi! Thanks for your great work on chess related articles. I think there might be a concern with the photo's you are uploading. Currently, you are tagging them as released under "GNU Free Documentation License"; however on the websites they come from, I cannot read that they are released as such. Wikipedia is normally very strict on those things (ie an admin can come along and remove all your uploads). If you have questions about it, I am perhaps not the best person to talk to, but it would be a good topic to raise at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess Best regards, Voorlandt (talk) 21:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the warning - and you're probably right too. I'll start a new topic in the WP:CHESS talk page about it.  Do you know what the correct licensing is for them?  Have you uploaded an images like that before - what license did you use?  Thanks - let me know.   α Яβ ι  τ Я α Я ι ŁΨθ  ( talk ) 21:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, i got your new message, and I also posted a topic on the WP:CHESS talk page - thanks again for your help,  α Яβ ι  τ Я α Я ι ŁΨθ  ( talk ) 22:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Explain proposed deletion of Genesis chess
I noticed you marked Genesis Chess for deletion. Can you explain why exactly? Do you have any suggestion to improve the article to prevent deletion? Does the article need more sources (like references on notable chess variant sites)? I'd prefer if the page wasn't deleted, so I need some pointers on what to do. (Jdm64 (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC))

WYCC again
Hello, I was looking yet again at the 1983 World Youth U-16 poster/photo and noticed in the accompanying article that German GM Matthias Wahls played there ... and it seems he has an account on ICC, so I wondered if he was worth quizzing about the winning girl! Apologies if you have already explored this possibility.

I am currently in conversation with User:Gabodon (no user page), an Italian with a large chess library. He has done some recent editing on the World Junior article, so I have asked him to look at the gaps in WYCC (no reply as yet). He is mostly active on Italian wiki and says he wrote the Turin 2006 Olympiad website. Wow! Brittle heaven (talk) 18:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Alas, I don't have an account on ICC, but looking a bit further, it appears from his webpage that he is contactable at matthias@wahls.de (and living in London? News to me!). I'll give him a try. Also, Gabodon has emailed the Colombian Federation, so maybe one or other approach will be successful. Regards, Brittle heaven (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, unfortunately that email for Matthias was no longer in use, so I was unable to contact him—User:Gabodon had more success, as you will see from my talk page, where he has left messages from the Colombian Federation. It seems there was no contest, as is stated on the Polish wiki, I believe. Brittle heaven (talk) 00:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, you have a good Xmas too. I think the beauty pageant explanation is the most likely, but sadly we will never know (unless Matthias Wahls turns up somewhere!). As well as posting a few photos, I also hope to do some article writing over the holiday period. Best Wishes, Brittle heaven (talk) 21:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * GM Wahls unfortunately is not active in chess anymore. He is co-founder of http://pokerstrategy.com/, though. Although he is not that involved into that site anymore as he used to, you might be able to reach him there. He used to play simuls on the Fritz server but is not any more. Wahls is still member of the chess club Hamburger SK . You might write an E-Mail to this club which might be relayed ... Regards, --Gereon K. (talk) 23:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Pan American Chess Championship
Hello, Happy New Year! - it's an interesting confusion this one - the first I've heard of it! Having scanned the quoted sources in the article, there is some evidence to suggest that those early editions belonged to a more friendship-based, rather than absolute-championship-based, Pan American Open ('Open' is the term used in the Bill Wall source for 1954 and maybe should have been used by Brasilbase in their Hollywood 1945 crosstable). Brasilbase elsewhere gives the 1974 Winnipeg event as number one in its 'Panamericano Aboluto' section and so, maybe contradicts itself a bit. Alternatively, it's just the old official/unofficial dilemma (i.e. Winnipeg was the first championship adopted by FIDE - probably most likely - we had this before with the World Cadet early editions and Niemeyer/European Junior). But what do you think? Certainly, I have checked my Kevin O'Connell reference and he is very convinced that this event is a 'first' for 1974. Brittle heaven (talk) 20:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

RFC on " Astobiological Potential "
Is what is happening here what I think is happening here? 198.163.53.11 (talk) 20:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * IP spam from a City of Winnipeg network. Make what you will of that. . dave souza, talk 22:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Lékó Péter
Hi, I'm pretty surprised to find that you created for example the article Andrei Istrăţescu containing much more unusual (to the English reader) diatrics than the pretty standard é for example. Any reason why it's ok to use special char. in one case but not in the other? Hobartimus (talk) 10:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The same seems to be true with Daniël Stellwagen Radosław Wojtaszek Robert Kempiński should these be moved to Daniel Radoslaw and Kempinski respectively? I think not and the full and correct names should be used in all cases. Hobartimus (talk) 10:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you were correct in that, I didn't notice the talk thread before my move, however the article body already uses Lékó many times so a unified usage between title and text seemed desirable. Hobartimus (talk) 11:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No need to reiterate I already conceded your point :). Hobartimus (talk) 11:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Le Palamède
Thanks for the photos of Le Palamède, but I'm a little confused about the date. You've changed the article to give December 1841 as the date that the second series was first published, but the cover of the periodical says "1842". Is it that it was printed in late 1841, with a date slightly ahead of the date of publication (just as magazines today often will print, say, a "March" issue in February or even the end of January)? Krakatoa (talk) 23:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Side project
Hi there - I have a possible side project that you may or may not wish to contribute to. I will send you an email, as I will need to attach a file. Regards Brittle heaven (talk) 09:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. The project may take a while longer, but I find mindless keyboard crunching very therapeutic at times. Very sad to hear you can't be so actively involved, but obviously I'm heartened by your intention to keep in touch ... and whilst it may not be the most thrilling task that you have set yourself, it's vital nonetheless and speaks volumes for your selfless attitude here on Wiki. Best wishes. Brittle heaven (talk) 22:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Game clock
A game clock is not a chess set and does not belong in the category. Please stop putting it back. 21:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Strangelove
I removed your addition of Category:Movies about chess from this article; as far as I can tell, the only mention of chess in the article concerns two of the actors playing chess, and I don't remember any chess in the movie myself. Chess certainly isn't a major part of the movie. Brianyoumans (talk) 19:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Bughouse chess
I'm glad you're back taking a look at Bughouse chess. There has been a fair amount of activity there and it seemed possible to me that some of the changes did not improve the article. Quale (talk) 23:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I know in the past there was some issue with the sketchy history of this article being an FA oppose. I think it would likely pass on this issue now. Today's featured article Ceawlin of Wessex is definitely lacking in the comprehensive history department(see the talk page) but it didn't stop it making FA or main page. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 02:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

List of atmospheric radiative transfer codes
Hi. I have cleanup plans for List of atmospheric radiative transfer codes, see the talk page there. Since you have worked on the article, I would like you to take part in the discussion on how to improve it. --Gerrit CUTEDH 10:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Chess Championship
No probs, I will try to find info.--NovaSkola 17:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

WP Chess in the Signpost
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EYCC U-8 winners
There's a question at Talk:European Youth Chess Championship about the non-inclusion of U-8 winners. I don't have an answer, but you did almost all the work on the EYCC page so if you're around you may be able to give your thoughts. Quale (talk) 16:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your post. I don't have much time currently to follow the chess pages, but I gave a short reply. --Voorlandt (talk) 17:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chess on Yahoo! Games


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My favorite chess editors
I just ran into something interesting when doing a little cleanup on WikiProject Chess/Index of chess articles. You did a lot of work to make that shared watchlist article useful. So much work (655 edits) that even though the last time you edited it was over 9 years ago in March 2011, you have still made more than 50 more edits to that page than anyone else.

Anyway, thanks for that and for creating List of chess grandmasters and everything else. So even though I don't see you around very much, you aren't forgotten. Quale (talk) 21:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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