User talk:Vortioxetine

Akuammicine
Hi Vortioxetine

I'm curious as to why you replaced the structure file for akuammicine, which was "Akuammicine.svg" with "Akuammicine Structure.svg". I don't consider this an improvement since your version has essentially identical drawing to mine but does not use the standard colours for the heteroatoms, just being B&W. I haven't reverted your change, since it isn't a huge deal but I'd be interested to know why you bothered to redraw a structure that was already fine: there are lots of other ways you could use your time to improve Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Michael,

I replaced the image that you had originally added on akuammicine since it was my understanding (and observation) that Chemdraw's ACS Document 1996 settings (black, 10 pt. Arial font) were an informal standard per the Manual of Style/Chemistry/Structure drawing. In short, I swapped the structure image since the majority of chemical structures on Wikipedia are depicted in the "ACS 1996" style with black lettering.

However, you do make a valid point about the change being insignificant and not an improvement. That being said, I have no issue with changing the image back to the original if that's the course of action you would like to take. --Vortioxetine (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your prompt reply. I agree that our MOS for structure drawing uses ACS settings and that's what I always set in BIOVIA Draw (the latest incarnation of MDL's original ISIS/Draw that I now use). In fact, I was the person who edited the MOS page recently to update its advice! The software now defaults to standard atom colouring, which I feel is an improvement and I think probably helps readers understand our chemistry-focused articles (although we chemists have not recently attempted a new consensus regarding whether to use colours). Some Chemboxes do use coloured space-filling versions of the structure as an alternative rendering but I'm not a great fan of those, preferring the simple line drawings for comprehension. As I said, this isn't something to fight over. Do you think it worth asking for comments about whether now would be a good time to move to atom colouring as our preference? Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed - I have reverted the structure image on akuammicine to the original. Regarding the coloring of heteroatoms in line structures, I do think that it helps readers better understand the content of chemistry-focused articles. I think that more community input and/or a formal consensus on the use of colors in line structures would be greatly beneficial moving forward. Vortioxetine (talk) 14:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I'll start such a discussion on WT:CHEMS later today. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:51, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion led to some new guidelines (now at MOS:CSDG), so I restored your B&W diagram because the other one on the akuammicine article was also B&W and one part of the consensus is to be consistent within an article. Thanks for prompting this review of the topic! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

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