User talk:Vossanova/Archive 4

War of editing A5 and A7 caused by Michge
Hi there! I need your help to stop Michge editing A5 and A7 please because they are range of luxury fastback coupe cars like 4 door Amg GT coupe, Mercedes CLS-Class, VW Arteon, 4 series Gran Coupe, Kia Stinger, Tesla Model 3, Porsche Panamera and more examples. I don't know why Michge doesn't know what is fastback, and it used the term liftback instead of it! I hope you respond the edits of them thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:1005:9a00:ad06:1ee:bd82:62e (talk) 18:33, 20 May 2018‎ (UTC)

Alerted admins about Bull-Doser
I just Alerted the admins about User:Bull-Doser's activity on Wikimedia Commons that you pointed out on Wikiproject Automobiles, in case you wanted to chime in. Reattacollector (talk) 20:33, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

How to Update Page Name
Hi there, I stumbled upon a few Wikipedia articles for brands and ecommerce products that are incorrectly labeled. I checked out your edit to Dollar Rent A Car last month, as an example, and the brand's official name is Dollar Car Rental. Is there a way to update this, or would a new page have to be created? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.15.181.163 (talk) 14:04, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You should start by adding the requested move template to the top of the page. See Template:Requested move for more info. You would add Dollar Car Rental Then people can agree or disagree on the Talk page.  If after a few days, there are no objections, then move the page.  Clicking on "More" then "Move" on the menu above the article is the easiest way. --Vossanova o&lt; 14:51, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Lincoln Continental 1972
I am painting the Presidential Limo used by Gerald R Ford for the G R Ford Museum in Grand Rapids. It was also used by Reagan and Carter. The limo us on display at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn MI. They have information on their website about this and the other limos. I thought you might like to research and add this into the wikapedia article on the Lincoln Continental. Take Care. MistletoeMcMorrow (talk) 05:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

timelines
Hi,, why you add 2019 to car timelines? when we are in 2018 still -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 18:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have added them to timelines which are formatted by model year, where all (or most) 2019 models are either on sale now or have been announced for sale by the auto makers. These are mostly North American automobile timelines, or brands based in NA, where model year is used.  --Vossanova o&lt; 19:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I think there was rule that model years are only used on cars that are sale only us? Tried to find that info from past discussion from WP:automobiles but didint find it, anyway thats very confusing that some uses model years and most timelines uses real production years -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 17:50, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:MODELYEARS as part of WP:AUTOCONV. Infobox production field is always calendar years. Infobox model years field is always model years. For most articles, section titles, captions, table headings and prose are calendar years. Exception (outside of the infobox production and model years fields) is allowed for vehicles built in the US primarily for the US market.  Stepho  talk 23:58, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Chevrolet Suburban and GM SUV edits
Hi Vossanova. I could say that I am a fan of Chevrolet Suburban and other vehicles from GM since they would have redesigns or facelifts for the next decade of the year, which is 2020. But my speculation is that all of my contributions of my edits on the Suburban, Tahoe GMC Yukon, and Escalade were undone.

I know that their is a WP:AUTOCONV#Unannounced vehicles rule on Wikipedia and I am trying my best on editing carefully but what I searched on Google about the upcoming SUVs from General Motors are kind of having redesigns for 2019-2020, based on Autoblog and GM Authority. They also expected those to have new features, engines, and air curtains (2020 Tahoe and Suburban), based on camouflaged testings and peeks from the design cues.

Now I did know that I would edit those articles about their redesigns and facelifts next year and I could focus on editing more on total sales, characteristics, and news regarding those cars so that my edits will not be removed and I will not be banned in using Wikipedia. Thanks...

By the way, you are an expert of cars so next year, if there are official updates regarding the 2020 SUVs from GM, you can analyze and then add it if it is really official.

(talk) 20:48, October 6, 2018. (UTC) (King.montero (talk) 12:50, 6 October 2018 (UTC))

Are these prototype GM Full Size SUVs really official?
Hi again. I have searched many articles regarding the facelift of these GM Full Size SUVs like the Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, and Escalade. Can you analyze those information on these articles if they are official and in case that they are official, you may add it on the Wikipedia articles regarding those. This is just for me to analyze if those articles are real and official.

Suburban: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/05/future-2020-suburban-prototype-spied-undergoing-testing/ Tahoe: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/09/2020-chevy-tahoe-spied-testing-for-the-very-first-time/ Yukon: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/10/2020-gmc-yukon-prototype-caught-testing-first-time-photos/ Escalade: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/cadillac/escalade/2020-cadillac-escalade/

Thanks Vossanova. (King.montero (talk) 05:26, 7 October 2018 (UTC))

Avetik Chalabyan article up for deletion
Hi Vossanova! About 2 years ago I wrote a biography of a living person article [|Avetik Chalabyan]. The article has been recently marked as up for deletion. Any advice on why this might be happening, how to address it or what to improve would really be appreciated. Obviously, your vote as an experienced editor on Wiki would really go a long way to make sure it's not deleted.

Thanks in advance for your attention to the matter.

Alice Ananian (talk) 14:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Silverado 2019
Vossanova, I am updated on everything regarding the 2019 Silverado based on websites... I just want this to have updated information and not old ones... If this page will be not updated with new information and because of removing my edits, then this is not anymore official. Do you want this page to show the template called "This article needs to be updated. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information. (November 2018)" or "This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information. (November 2018)", meaning it is not updated and the factual accuracy is outdated... King.montero (talk) 10:55, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

/* Mazda 3 */
VOSSANOVA, there is a 2019 Mazda 3 going on and why would you remove my edits about its spy shots... A lot of Wikipedia pages about cars have information regarding the spy shots of the new car so this is LOGIC. Since you remove my edits for the Chevy Suburban, all GM SUVs, Chevrolet Silverado, and NOW, STOP REMOVING my edits regarding cars because all WIKI PAGES should be updated frequently to make it not outdated or you may be blocked or banned from editing. King.montero (talk) 12:51, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If someone like me keeps reverting your edits, maybe it's a sign that you should read up on Wikipedia policies for adding content. WP:NOTABILITY and WP:NPOV are a good start.  Also, I would recommend participating in WikiProject Automobiles, especially the talk page.  In fact, they have a guideline at WP:AUTOCONV, that information about future or speculative vehicles that have not been officially announced by their manufacturer should not be discussed.  The new Mazda3 is well known, but has not been officially announced by Mazda.  The reason behind this policy is that WP:VERIFIABILITY is difficult on future vehicles, and unofficial information is considered speculation, and WP:NOTCRYSTAL.  Finally, think about what happens when you add info about spy shots to every generation of every car, and several years pass.  Will info about spy shots about a car made 10 years ago still be notable and worth reading, or will it just get in the way of other info? --Vossanova o&lt; 15:49, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well why? I just don't want the Wiki pages related to cars can be outdated and OLD like Baby Boomers or 18th century years... And I don't want them to have templates regarding the template regarding updating pages stuff. I am just an amateur here and Vossanova, STOP REMOVING MY EDITS. Just stop.King.montero (talk) 05:38, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Silverado issue continued
Vossanova, but what if the info is not in the news release and press release from Chevrolet. The press releases I saw regarding the Silverado are older than now like January-October. And if there is none, then we have to get it from other sites that show the related info about it. An editor should be strategic in adding information from trusted sites related to the Silverado 2019 like Top Speed, CNET or TFL instead on relying on Chevy or GM Press news and other releases because press news regarding Chevy vehicles and others are NOT UPDATED FREQUENTLY and can take very long to wait for a new one like the news regarding the ZH2 concept. Since that Chevy or GM Motors did not post an update regarding the ZH2, then you should go to trusted sites related to that vehicle and add it on Wikipedia. You have REALLY NO COMMON SENSE Vossanova!!! King.montero (talk) 10:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

"it was announced..."
Thanks for your post on VPP. I agree that it's bad writing and I think it not only is a facile attempt at appearing extra formal or factual, but also shows confusion on the editor's part as to the relationship of the source to the content. One, when a fact was first disseminated is usually not relevant to the fact itself such that it should be included in the article prose, rather than just in the citation as the source's date of publication. Two, just because a fact is sourced to a reference published on a certain date does not in and of itself establish that it was "announced" on that date.

It's very widespread, however, so I don't know that we can do much more than trim it down where we see it (try searching for the phrase "it was announced" and you'll find a lot of good copyediting candidates). Similarly with any other source information that has unnecessarily leaked into the prose out of the ref tag: "According to [source], [fact]." It's especially ridiculous when it's clear that the source chosen was reliable but completely arbitrary among many possible sources, because such usage incorrectly suggests that particular source is the only one asserting that fact. Unless that source is itself part of the story of the article's subject (such that other sources comment on that source), we should typically just have in the article "[fact]." postdlf (talk) 20:59, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

... and i’m Back
So. I’m back after some time away from Wikipedia. I think it’s time to get these AMD processors sorted. There’s a million lists and nightmarish amounts of articles. Not even sure where to startManboobies (talk) 00:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Note
It is a case of WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION when you place an article in both a parent category and one of its subcategories. Like you did here. Cars introduced in 2019 is a subcategory of 2010 cars....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:30, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Kosmic Free Music Foundation
Seems to be a store in the same sense as other netlabels - giving away music online. Rathfelder (talk) 22:04, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * A netlabel isn't a store, even if it has its own download page. It's an organization equivalent to a record label.  A music store would be a place or website where you would go to purchase music (not just download for free), not necessarily tied to a single label. --Vossanova o&lt; 22:15, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Chevrolet Cruz
Then why does the second generation say, “2016–present (rest of world)”? Whitebro (talk) 18:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * In the case of production, "rest of world" means all other places where the car is produced, i.e. manufactured. For the Cruze, that would mean China and Argentina.  I suppose it could be changed to "N. America" to avoid uncertainly regarding Canada, while still accurately including the US and Mexico assembly plants. --Vossanova o&lt; 20:21, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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Escalade Page
Hello. I see you've been fighting some IP's on the Escalade page. Props. I noticed the image is second gen instead of the newer image you had set back: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cadillac_Escalade&diff=983183342&oldid=983176967

IP undid your change. Any reason why the image of the 4th gen isn't used? Can I revert to the image you had last set? Kbhatt22 (talk) 22:58, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I normally don't get involved in image edits because it's a hotspot for edit wars, but this IP changed several images back to some dated 2006-2007 (all by User:IFCAR). Going by WP:CARPIX guidelines, the image doesn't necessarily have to be the latest version of the car.  However, I take the standard of "the image must be representative" to mean the image can change over time, as older versions of the car become rarer and newer versions become more common.  How many 2006 Escalades do you see on the road today? Not many.


 * So, if the quality of the newer model image is just as good as the other one, use it. But if it's not as good as the older model image, consider the older one instead. --Vossanova o&lt; 16:07, 23 October 2020 (UTC)\


 * Thanks for the clarification and update. I agree that the older generation becomes less familiar and also less common so for vehicles in production, higher quality images of newer model years tend to add more value to a reader. The quality of the newer image is higher res. Ill change it to the newer one but if the IP is persistent then I won't start an edit war over it. Thanks! Kbhatt22 (talk) 16:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Lordstown Motors
I know that my list of independent electric vehicle startups in the article for Lordstown Motors is unnecessary. It's just that Lordstown Motors has recently gone public as a company, and now they are being frequently mentioned with a variety of other EV companies. Could I at the least put Tesla, Inc., Rivian, and Nikola Corporation back as links seeing that they are direct competitors to Lordstown in terms of making electric pickup trucks> Also, Workhorse Group should be a link as Workhorse Group owns 10% of Lordstown stock. I will put a reference for that by the way. Leiwang7 (talk) 16:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Anything in the "See also" section should be considered further reading for those interested in the subject matter of Lordstown Motors. Including competing EV manufacturers and companies suggests a relationship between them and LM, while there may not be a relationship other than competitors in the same industry.  Would you put General Motors and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles under the "See also" section of Ford Motor Company?  To see a list of related companies, the reader can either go to the Category page, or find a List of EV companies article.  Also, if Rivian, Tesla, or Nikola have a connection to LM that is worth including in the LM article, you can add some text and link them there. --Vossanova o&lt; 20:14, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I recognize the validity of your point about the "See also" section, and I agree with your point about only listing companies with a direct relationship. Readers don't have the option of using the category page on mobile which is why I thought of adding all those competing companies to the "See also" section. I will attempt to find a reputable source that lists LM as a competitor company to Nikola, Rivian and Tesla and add some text with citations. Can I put General Motors in the "See also" section though for LM? I have read that GM has invested millions of dollars into LM. There are reputable sources about their relationship. I will link them with external sources/citations. Leiwang7 (talk) 03:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

PS5 specs
So it appears that a guy called Rubones is messing up with the specs of Xbox Series X, S, and the PS5. He is constantly reverting the edit confirmed by MULTIPLE editors and adding fake INFO into the "Consoles GPUs" table or adding some unrelated extra and unnecessary info to the table making its rows HUJE. Stop this user from doing extra damage...

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Tagging pages for deletion
Hello, Vossanova,

Just a reminder that every time you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/TFD/CFD/etc.), you should post a notice to the talk page of the page creator. If you utilize Twinkle and set up your Preferences, the program will do this for you automatically. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 19:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Updates to the Rivian article
Hello User:Vossanova: I am a Rivian employee working on improvements to our article. Some information is new, and some is old and needs updating. Because I am in a COI relationship, I am reaching out to see if you would consider it a good use of your time to take a look at my proposed edits. I noticed you have an interest in automobile articles, and was wondering if you might want to work on improving this page as well. It's always my intention to work within the Wikipedia rules. Currently, on the Rivian talk page I have a proposal regarding updates to our facilities section, and a second one with info box updates. All accompanying sources are formatted. I look forward to your feedback, and appreciate your time. Best IanRivian (talk) 20:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Bentley Bentayga
Please do not undo the whole article as it is more descriptive than the previous version and contains more information. If the article contains poor grammar please edit those places upon finding and tell me the 2 false facted gen.s I will do something about it and tell me about the spam link as well. My version is more attractive and will be a good one once fully reviewed and edited. I am undoing the changes you made for now. Thank You

Merger of Plymouth Savoy into Plymouth Belvedere
I would appreciate you voting either for or against my proposal re the above at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles.

Thank You. GTHO (talk) 02:39, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Chevrolet Tahoe
Reverting my edit was unnecessary, not every reader will be aware that the vehicle and the Yukon variant aren't sold in those countries. It will come off as miss-information. 107.77.241.24 (talk) 15:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Please stop unnecessarily reverting my edit. Again you are allowing miss-information to spread by just saying "Middle east". Not everyone will just go to the manufacturer's or the Automotive Industry page. Also please respond this time, Instead of just ignoring what I said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:AAC0:5D50:D9BD:DF6D:D044:A3CE (talk) 14:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)